@simon33 Scramble?
League General Discussion Thread
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yes i do factor that in, in this particular case i knew he was experienced from his introduction and knew he is coming from lobby play, which both adam and i came from as well, so i knew to expect solid play and not underestimate him. frankly, that’s why i decided to give him a chance.
i don’t think i was ambushed, at least not by skill alone lol there was a ton of help from luck, unfortunately for me, and fortunately for him. one only needs to review the game and will readily conclude this.
in the end, it’s a dice game. he took the big risks and got lucky.
my point is simple, relying on such luck will not make for a consistent record. if he continues along that trajectory, he will see mediocre results. i think he’s better than that. is what i’m saying.
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i think this game could benefit a lot from a rule change that allowed the defender to retreat as well. this would help avoid these kinds of situations. always seemed odd to me that only attacker can retreat.
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@axis-dominion said in Post League Game Results Here:
i think this game could benefit a lot from a rule change that allowed the defender to retreat as well. this would help avoid these kinds of situations. always seemed odd to me that only attacker can retreat.
My man needs to discover North Africa! Sadly no readily-available online version yet 😢
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@Stucifer said in Post League Game Results Here:
@axis-dominion said in Post League Game Results Here:
i think this game could benefit a lot from a rule change that allowed the defender to retreat as well. this would help avoid these kinds of situations. always seemed odd to me that only attacker can retreat.
My man needs to discover North Africa! Sadly no readily-available online version yet 😢
yes, discover that, or just common sense :)
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I realize most League players don’t take 30% odds very often, but considering you have better odds at 30% than landing the same side twice in a row flipping a coin, I think a lot of us (myself included) put too much faith in a 70% defense
That's 'cause a droid don't pull people's arms out of their sockets when they lose.
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in any battle, either side can retreat.
not in the a&a world, apparently.
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@Stucifer said in Post League Game Results Here:
I realize most League players don’t take 30% odds very often, but considering you have better odds at 30% than landing the same side twice in a row flipping a coin, I think a lot of us (myself included) put too much faith in a 70% defense
well, it’s not even just 30%, it’s 30% AND -32 avg tuv lol
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Most players here probably know statistics better than me actually so I hope that doesn’t come across as patronizing. 🤓
I recall vividly in one of my first league matches here, with @ArtofWar1947 and I recall winning a ~30% battle. I was elated of course, but he was a superior strategist and ground me down for a victory. I do admire the tenacity of some players that continue to battle despite the odds seemingly stacked against them. Like the Brits in the dark days of 1940-41, sometimes the grit pays off.
That's 'cause a droid don't pull people's arms out of their sockets when they lose.
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That’s right, several of the core A&A rules from the 70’s, 80’s are unchanged and that is one of the big ones.
We top players are in danger of taking the game too seriously sometimes. It’s designed for fun!!
LOL you talk JUST like a top A&A player. Analytical through and through, frustrated by the decisions of fate that you can do nothing about (you said it best in your game thread - let it ride, we live and die by the dice), and starting to obsess about every point of ELO (lol I know you’ll counter that)
Be careful with % chances and expected TUV changes.
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@axis-dominion is that the raw number from the calc or mathing out the avg remaining units? On low odds plays I manually calculate expected TUV for both scenarios using the Avg Defender and Avg Attacker units remaining
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@Stucifer said in Post League Game Results Here:
Most players here probably know statistics better than me actually so I hope that doesn’t come across as patronizing. 🤓
I recall vividly in one of my first league matches here, with @ArtofWar1947 and I recall winning a ~30% battle. I was elated of course, but he was a superior strategist and ground me down for a victory. I do admire the tenacity of some players that continue to battle despite the odds seemingly stacked against them. Like the Brits in the dark days of 1940-41, sometimes the grit pays off.
you should see how much of a pounding i got from all his luck earlier in the game… i still continued, but this latest result was the nail in the coffin.
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It was many years ago, in one of my many battles with my nemesis @boldfresh that I would say “there was a 2% chance of that happening”, or “there was a 1% chance of that happening”. To which he famously replied “1% and 2% chances seem to happen an awful lot in this game (Axis and Allies)”.
Well, it’s easy to overlook: There’s a 1% and 2% chance on either end of the curve, so there is a 4% chance that a 2% chance will happen. And of course, we breeze by all the expected results but that more extreme one happens and it gets a lot more attention.
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@gamerman01 said in Post League Game Results Here:
That’s right, several of the core A&A rules from the 70’s, 80’s are unchanged and that is one of the big ones.
We top players are in danger of taking the game too seriously sometimes. It’s designed for fun!!
LOL you talk JUST like a top A&A player. Analytical through and through, frustrated by the decisions of fate that you can do nothing about (you said it best in your game thread - let it ride, we live and die by the dice), and starting to obsess about every point of ELO (lol I know you’ll counter that)
Be careful with % chances and expected TUV changes.
i guess what i’m saying is that, strictly from a competitive league standpoint, there’s no good incentive to play a significantly lower ranked (or new) player. if it’s just for fun, which i totally agree with btw! then i should just play them outside of the league.
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@axis-dominion said in Post League Game Results Here:
you should see how much of a pounding i got from all his luck earlier in the game… i still continued, but this latest result was the nail in the coffin.
I gotta ask. Did you not see the guys complaining and agape over his luck in the PTV discussion thread, complete with an AI parrot of Trump talking about Peirce’s luck? (As if each roll is not an independent event LOOOOL) A lot funner to believe in the streaks.
You ran into a buzzsaw! My legendary luck has counteracted some of his, though LOOOL
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@axis-dominion said in Post League Game Results Here:
@gamerman01 said in Post League Game Results Here:
That’s right, several of the core A&A rules from the 70’s, 80’s are unchanged and that is one of the big ones.
We top players are in danger of taking the game too seriously sometimes. It’s designed for fun!!
LOL you talk JUST like a top A&A player. Analytical through and through, frustrated by the decisions of fate that you can do nothing about (you said it best in your game thread - let it ride, we live and die by the dice), and starting to obsess about every point of ELO (lol I know you’ll counter that)
Be careful with % chances and expected TUV changes.
i guess what i’m saying is that, strictly from a competitive league standpoint, there’s no good incentive to play a significantly lower ranked (or new) player. if it’s just for fun, which i totally agree with btw! then i should just play them outside of the league.
and then let the dice roll on! lol
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@gamerman01 said in Post League Game Results Here:
@axis-dominion said in Post League Game Results Here:
you should see how much of a pounding i got from all his luck earlier in the game… i still continued, but this latest result was the nail in the coffin.
I gotta ask. Did you not see the guys complaining and agape over his luck in the PTV discussion thread, complete with an AI parrot of Trump talking about Peirce’s luck? (As if each roll is not an independent event LOOOOL) A lot funner to believe in the streaks.
You ran into a buzzsaw! My legendary luck has counteracted some of his, though LOOOL
i was the one who started that thread lol
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@axis-dominion Disagree. Again, your rating is in the stratosphere. If you want to caress your ELO, you are almost a lock against anyone below 1800 or 1900, yet your ELO goes up a few points each time. What do you think it should be?
Any good system is going to weight your rating by the strength of your competition. If you get too much from just decent players, you’d just farm them.
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@axis-dominion said in Post League Game Results Here:
i was the one who started that thread lol
From an earlier game, or what was happening in this one?
Seriously, you might need to re-evaluate just a smidge, your interpretation of what you’re seeing in a calculator. And be careful what you expect.
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@gamerman01 said in Post League Game Results Here:
@axis-dominion Disagree. Again, your rating is in the stratosphere. If you want to caress your ELO, you are almost a lock against anyone below 1800 or 1900, yet your ELO goes up a few points each time. What do you think it should be?
Any good system is going to weight your rating by the strength of your competition. If you get too much from just decent players, you’d just farm them.
i’m not looking for more from just decent players, just not wanting to nose dive due to really stupid dice lol.
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@axis-dominion LOOOOL that is inevitable, it’s going to happen once in a great while and you know it
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