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Unit placement should be 2 transports 106, 2 fighters London, and 1 mech into Union of South Africa.

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TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 19

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3

Game History

Round: 19 Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 11 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Russians 1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Western Ukraine Russians take Western Ukraine from Germans 1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Ukraine Russians take Ukraine from Germans 1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Belarus Russians take Belarus from Germans 2 infantry moved from Caucasus to Rostov 1 fighter moved from Caucasus to Rostov 1 fighter moved from Volgograd to Rostov 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Rostov Combat - Russians Battle in Rostov Russians attack with 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Germans defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Rostov, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 2.50 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Rostov, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Rostov 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Rostov Russians win, taking Rostov from Germans with 3 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry 1 mech_infantry moved from Caucasus to Ukraine 3 mech_infantrys moved from Volgograd to Ukraine 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Rostov to Russia 3 armour moved from Russia to Belarus 1 aaGun, 4 artilleries and 15 infantry moved from Archangel to Belarus 1 fighter moved from Archangel to Russia 5 infantry moved from Bryansk to Ukraine 5 mech_infantrys moved from Bryansk to Ukraine 1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Ukraine 2 armour, 6 artilleries and 64 infantry moved from Bryansk to Belarus 2 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk 1 infantry moved from Archangel to Belarus 1 artillery moved from Dzavhan to Olgiy 1 aaGun and 12 infantry moved from Dzavhan to Yenisey 10 infantry moved from Kansu to Olgiy 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 8 infantry moved from Kansu to Shensi Place Units - Russians 1 infantry placed in Volgograd 10 infantry placed in Russia Turn Complete - Russians Russians collect 27 PUs; end with 27 PUs Trigger Russians 7 Great Patriotic War: Russians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 30 PUs Trigger Russians 2 Persia Lend Lease Lane: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 32 PUs Trigger Russians 5 Persia Lend Lease Lane War With Japan: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 34 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans regular : 0.67 Russians regular : 0.50

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TripleA Turn Summary: French round 8

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3

Game History

Round: 8 Purchase Units - ANZAC ANZAC buy 2 submarines; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - ANZAC Non Combat Move - ANZAC 2 infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan 2 infantry moved from New South Wales to Queensland 1 destroyer moved from 54 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone 3 fighters moved from Queensland to Hawaiian Islands 1 submarine moved from 55 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 42 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 62 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 57 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone Place Units - ANZAC 2 submarines placed in 62 Sea Zone Turn Complete - ANZAC ANZAC collect 10 PUs; end with 11 PUs Objective ANZAC 3 Pacific Supply Lines: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 14 PUs Combat Move - French Non Combat Move - French 1 fighter moved from Eastern Persia to India Turn Complete - French

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

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@AndrewAAGamer said in OOB Playoffs R2 oysteilo (axis) vs. AndrewAAGamer (+51):

Speaking of the edit, you are perfectly within your rights to state, “Andrew, I do not accept your edit.” In which case I will have to redo the entire Russian Turn and present you with a non-edited file. Do you deny me the edit and wish me to redo the Russian Turn?

Andrew, just asking for clarification on this. I don’t understand how this would be allowable, to re-do Russia’s entire turn, including dice rolls.

By extension, are you saying the German’s would have had the opportunity to re-do their entire turn, including NCM rather than submitting an edited file?

This seems far worse than allowing a simple edit from a NCM phase.

Regarding the greater issue at hand though, I don’t believe this follows Generally Accepted league practices with a rather legalistic and unyielding view of edits in playoff games. In my experience, I have not encountered a single player in league who does not allow NCM edits if the next turn has not started. This is mainly for (1) Fun game play experience (2) More competitive game play experience (do you want to win due to an obvious oversight?) (3) Imperfect translation of an over-the-board experience to an online experience.

As luck would have it, a new player asked me about how the League works, and when moves are “locked in” or not, and when edits are acceptable. I re-post my response to him here, with minor editorial corrections (sorry about specific references to our game as well):

Well, the moderator of the league is gamerman01, so he knows best, but I will take a quick stab at it here.

Attack orders/Scramble/Intercept requests:
Once you send the request, these attack orders become locked in. You can’t ask about scrambling/intercept, get a response you don’t really like, then change your mind and change up the attacks.

Attack rolls:
Once you start, you have to at least finish 1 round of attacks and then retreat if you made a mistake or the battle is not going your way. You can do as much “simulation” gaming as you wish with local rolls, but once they are sent to the dice server, thy are locked in and cannot be changed. If there is an obvious blunder made, like in your case bringing in the transports, that can be addressed after the attacks are resolved - that would have been an easy edit back.

When is it OK to make edits?
Generally, when all the main dice rolls have completed, the Non-Combat Move phase is in the aftermath of the battles that took place. Most players allow virtually as many edits as you need here, provided the other side hasn’t started their turn. If you have significant edits to make, you should post quickly and ask the other player to hold off taking their turn until you complete the edits. Forgotten obvious walk-in attacks or killing of defenseless transports are a bit more gray, but most players here will allow this to take place as well if you missed something. If it is justifiable that the move “would not have been affected by any of the dice outcomes”, this is usually permitted, but should be requested, as your opponent could technically deny it, as it needed to be included with your initial Combat phase declarations. Most people here are pretty casual and out for a fun game, so aren’t sticklers about this, but then some are.

While statement (3) in particular is not codified in the rules, I would say it is a generally accepted standard within the league.

Full respect to you Andrew - I think you have advanced the quality of play more than anyone else, with your excellent strategy essays (which I deem as required reading for any new league player) and extremely insightful interview.

I would humbly suggest this game adheres to what the rest of the league has come to recognize as the standard with respect to edits, which I attempted to outline, but could likely use refinement as well.

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Game History

Round: 10 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese buy 2 destroyers, 8 infantry and 2 submarines; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; Combat Move - Japanese 1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Szechwan Japanese take Szechwan from Chinese 1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Kweichow Japanese take Kweichow from Chinese 1 infantry moved from French Indo China to 37 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 37 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 43 Sea Zone to 38 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 38 Sea Zone to Malaya 1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Kwangtung Japanese take Kwangtung from UK_Pacific 1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Hunan Japanese take Hunan from Chinese 1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Kiangsu 2 bombers moved from French Indo China to Kiangsu 1 infantry moved from Jehol to Anhwe 1 infantry moved from Honan to Tsinghai Japanese take Tsinghai from Chinese 1 infantry moved from Kansu to Eastern Sinkiang Japanese take Eastern Sinkiang from Chinese 1 artillery moved from Inner Mongolia to Kansu 1 infantry moved from Shansi to Honan 1 artillery moved from Honan to Shansi 1 infantry moved from Chahar to Inner Mongolia 2 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 24 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 24 Sea Zone to Wake Island 1 infantry moved from French Indo China to Yunnan 2 artilleries moved from Yunnan to French Indo China 1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to French Indo China 1 infantry moved from Siam to French Indo China 1 infantry moved from Jehol to Chahar Combat - Japanese Battle in Malaya Battle in Wake Island Battle in Kiangsu Japanese attack with 2 bombers and 1 infantry Chinese defend with 1 artillery Japanese roll dice for 2 bombers and 1 infantry in Kiangsu, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 artillery in Kiangsu, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 2 bombers and 1 infantry in Kiangsu, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 artillery in Kiangsu, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 artillery owned by the Chinese lost in Kiangsu Japanese win, taking Malaya from UK_Pacific, taking Wake Island from Americans, taking Kiangsu from Chinese with 2 bombers and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4 Casualties for Chinese: 1 artillery Non Combat Move - Japanese 2 bombers moved from Kiangsu to Southern Manchuria 1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from Jehol to Shansi 3 infantry moved from Southern Manchuria to Jehol 2 infantry moved from Korea to Southern Manchuria 2 artilleries moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone 6 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone 2 artilleries, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 6 infantry, 1 tactical_bomber and 4 transports moved from 6 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 6 infantry moved from 37 Sea Zone to French Indo China 2 artilleries moved from 37 Sea Zone to French Indo China 1 fighter moved from Japan to 37 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 37 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone 1 transport moved from 37 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone Place Units - Japanese 3 infantry placed in French Indo China 3 infantry placed in Southern Manchuria 2 destroyers and 2 submarines placed in 6 Sea Zone 2 infantry placed in Japan Turn Complete - Japanese Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 4 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 132 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,4,3,6,4,3,3,4,6,3,6,6,2,3,4,2,4,3,1,4,5,3,4,3,1,5,1,6,1,2,4,6,4,4,3,5,3,1,3,6,4,5,5,2,1,6,4,5,6,6,3,6,6,1,6,5,6,5 Japanese collect 54 PUs (4 lost to blockades); end with 54 PUs Objective Japanese 6 Home Islands: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 57 PUs Objective Japanese 5 Pacific Airfields: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 62 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : -0.67 Japanese regular : -1.33

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