League General Discussion Thread

Unit placement should be 2 transports 106, 2 fighters London, and 1 mech into Union of South Africa.

@BobbaRossa

Scramble/intercept instructions at London?

TripleA Turn Summary: UK_Pacific round 7

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3

Game History

Round: 7 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 4 fighters, 4 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Americans 1 infantry and 1 marine moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone 1 infantry, 1 marine and 1 transport moved from 26 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 marine moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands 1 submarine moved from 26 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Queensland to 54 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 2 transports moved from 54 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands 1 battleship and 2 cruisers moved from 54 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Southern France 2 fighters moved from 110 Sea Zone to Southern France 1 bomber moved from New Guinea to 44 Sea Zone Combat - Americans Battle in 17 Sea Zone Americans attack with 1 submarine Japanese defend with 1 transport 1 transport owned by the Japanese lost in 17 Sea Zone Americans win, taking 17 Sea Zone from Japanese with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for Japanese: 1 transport Battle in 44 Sea Zone Americans attack with 1 bomber Japanese defend with 1 transport 1 transport owned by the Japanese lost in 44 Sea Zone Americans win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for Japanese: 1 transport Battle in Caroline Islands Americans attack with 1 artillery, 4 infantry and 1 marine Japanese defend with 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 1 harbour and 2 infantry Americans roll dice for 1 battleship and 2 cruisers in Caroline Islands, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.67 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 artillery, 4 infantry and 1 marine in Caroline Islands, round 2 : 2/6 hits, 1.50 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 aaGun and 2 infantry in Caroline Islands, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Caroline Islands 2 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 aaGun owned by the Japanese lost in Caroline Islands Americans win, taking Caroline Islands from Japanese with 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 marine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry Casualties for Japanese: 1 aaGun and 2 infantry Battle in Southern France Americans attack with 2 fighters and 2 infantry Germans defend with 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 mech_infantry Americans roll dice for 2 fighters and 2 infantry in Southern France, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Southern France, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Americans roll dice for 2 fighters and 2 infantry in Southern France, round 3 : 3/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Southern France, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 mech_infantry owned by the Germans lost in Southern France Americans win, taking Southern France from Germans with 2 fighters and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4 Casualties for Germans: 1 mech_infantry Non Combat Move - Americans 2 fighters moved from Southern France to 92 Sea Zone 1 carrier moved from 110 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone 2 mech_infantrys moved from Normandy Bordeaux to 110 Sea Zone 2 mech_infantrys and 2 transports moved from 110 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone 2 mech_infantrys moved from 92 Sea Zone to Algeria 1 infantry moved from Morocco to 91 Sea Zone 1 aaGun moved from Morocco to 91 Sea Zone 1 aaGun, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux 2 infantry moved from Eastern United States to 101 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco 1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 101 Sea Zone 2 transports moved from 102 Sea Zone to 101 Sea Zone 3 carriers, 4 destroyers, 5 fighters, 2 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 54 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone 2 carriers, 4 destroyers, 4 fighters and 1 submarine moved from 26 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 marine moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 1 infantry, 1 marine, 2 submarines and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 marine moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands 1 destroyer moved from 26 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from Western United States to 26 Sea Zone 1 aaGun moved from Western United States to Central United States 1 artillery moved from Alexandria to Egypt 1 bomber moved from 44 Sea Zone to New Guinea Place Units - Americans 4 infantry placed in Eastern United States Americans undo move 1. 1 carrier, 2 destroyers and 1 transport placed in 10 Sea Zone 1 infantry placed in Western United States 2 fighters and 3 infantry placed in Eastern United States 2 fighters placed in Western United States Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 56 PUs; end with 56 PUs Trigger Americans 7 North Africa Beach Head: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 61 PUs Trigger Americans 6 Western Europe Beach Head: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 66 PUs Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 76 PUs Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 81 PUs Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 86 PUs Purchase Units - Chinese Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed Chinese buy 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Chinese Place Units - Chinese 1 infantry placed in Kansu Turn Complete - Chinese Chinese collect 1 PU; end with 1 PU Purchase Units - British British buy 2 fighters, 1 infantry, 3 mech_infantrys and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Purchase Units - UK_Pacific UK_Pacific buy 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - British 1 transport moved from 80 Sea Zone to 79 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from West India to 79 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 79 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 80 Sea Zone to Iraq 3 armour moved from Egypt to Iraq 2 fighters moved from 80 Sea Zone to Iraq 1 fighter moved from Egypt to Iraq 1 bomber moved from India to Iraq 2 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium 2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to Holland Belgium 1 fighter moved from 110 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium 1 fighter moved from 110 Sea Zone to Gibraltar Combat - British Battle in Holland Belgium British attack with 3 fighters and 2 infantry Italians defend with 1 infantry British roll dice for 3 fighters and 2 infantry in Holland Belgium, round 2 : 1/5 hits, 1.83 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Holland Belgium, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Holland Belgium British win, taking Holland Belgium from Germans with 3 fighters and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry Battle in Iraq British attack with 3 armour, 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 1 infantry Germans defend with 5 armour British roll dice for 1 battleship and 1 cruiser in Iraq, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits British roll dice for 3 armour, 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 1 infantry in Iraq, round 2 : 4/9 hits, 4.33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 5 armour in Iraq, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 2.50 expected hits 1 artillery owned by the British and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Iraq 4 armour owned by the Germans lost in Iraq British roll dice for 3 armour, 1 bomber and 3 fighters in Iraq, round 3 : 6/7 hits, 3.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 armour in Iraq, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 armour owned by the British lost in Iraq 1 armour owned by the Germans lost in Iraq British win, taking Iraq from Germans with 2 armour, 1 bomber and 3 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 17 Casualties for British: 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry Casualties for Germans: 5 armour Non Combat Move - British 1 bomber moved from Iraq to Egypt 2 artilleries moved from India to West India 2 infantry moved from India to West India 2 fighters moved from Holland Belgium to United Kingdom 1 fighter moved from Holland Belgium to 110 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux 1 fighter moved from Iraq to Egypt 2 fighters moved from Iraq to Egypt 1 armour moved from India to West India Place Units - British 2 fighters and 1 transport placed in 80 Sea Zone 3 mech_infantrys placed in Egypt 1 infantry placed in United Kingdom Turn Complete - British British collect 36 PUs; end with 36 PUs Trigger British 3 No Enemy Submarines: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 39 PUs Objective British 4 Control Convoy Lanes: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 42 PUs Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 45 PUs Place Units - UK_Pacific 1 infantry placed in India Turn Complete - UK_Pacific UK_Pacific collect 6 PUs; end with 6 PUs Some Units in India change ownership: 1 infantry

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : 0.17 Japanese regular : 0.33 Germans regular : -1.00 British regular : 0.00

Savegame

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: French round 3

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 3 Purchase Units - ANZAC ANZAC buy 1 destroyer and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - ANZAC Non Combat Move - ANZAC 1 cruiser, 1 submarine and 1 transport moved from 64 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Burma to Yunnan Place Units - ANZAC 1 destroyer and 1 submarine placed in 64 Sea Zone Turn Complete - ANZAC ANZAC collect 10 PUs; end with 10 PUs Objective ANZAC 3 Pacific Supply Lines: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 13 PUs Combat Move - French 1 infantry moved from Tunisia to Libya French take Libya from Italians Combat - French Non Combat Move - French 2 fighters moved from French Central Africa to Trans-Jordan 1 infantry moved from French Central Africa to French Equatorial Africa Turn Complete - French

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

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TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 19

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3

Game History

Round: 19 Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 11 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Russians 1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Western Ukraine Russians take Western Ukraine from Germans 1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Ukraine Russians take Ukraine from Germans 1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Belarus Russians take Belarus from Germans 2 infantry moved from Caucasus to Rostov 1 fighter moved from Caucasus to Rostov 1 fighter moved from Volgograd to Rostov 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Rostov Combat - Russians Battle in Rostov Russians attack with 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Germans defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Rostov, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 2.50 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Rostov, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Rostov 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Rostov Russians win, taking Rostov from Germans with 3 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry 1 mech_infantry moved from Caucasus to Ukraine 3 mech_infantrys moved from Volgograd to Ukraine 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Rostov to Russia 3 armour moved from Russia to Belarus 1 aaGun, 4 artilleries and 15 infantry moved from Archangel to Belarus 1 fighter moved from Archangel to Russia 5 infantry moved from Bryansk to Ukraine 5 mech_infantrys moved from Bryansk to Ukraine 1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Ukraine 2 armour, 6 artilleries and 64 infantry moved from Bryansk to Belarus 2 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk 1 infantry moved from Archangel to Belarus 1 artillery moved from Dzavhan to Olgiy 1 aaGun and 12 infantry moved from Dzavhan to Yenisey 10 infantry moved from Kansu to Olgiy 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 8 infantry moved from Kansu to Shensi Place Units - Russians 1 infantry placed in Volgograd 10 infantry placed in Russia Turn Complete - Russians Russians collect 27 PUs; end with 27 PUs Trigger Russians 7 Great Patriotic War: Russians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 30 PUs Trigger Russians 2 Persia Lend Lease Lane: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 32 PUs Trigger Russians 5 Persia Lend Lease Lane War With Japan: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 34 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans regular : 0.67 Russians regular : 0.50

Savegame

TripleA Turn Summary: French round 8

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3

Game History

Round: 8 Purchase Units - ANZAC ANZAC buy 2 submarines; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - ANZAC Non Combat Move - ANZAC 2 infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan 2 infantry moved from New South Wales to Queensland 1 destroyer moved from 54 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone 3 fighters moved from Queensland to Hawaiian Islands 1 submarine moved from 55 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 42 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 62 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 57 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone Place Units - ANZAC 2 submarines placed in 62 Sea Zone Turn Complete - ANZAC ANZAC collect 10 PUs; end with 11 PUs Objective ANZAC 3 Pacific Supply Lines: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 14 PUs Combat Move - French Non Combat Move - French 1 fighter moved from Eastern Persia to India Turn Complete - French

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@AndrewAAGamer said in OOB Playoffs R2 oysteilo (axis) vs. AndrewAAGamer (+51):

Speaking of the edit, you are perfectly within your rights to state, “Andrew, I do not accept your edit.” In which case I will have to redo the entire Russian Turn and present you with a non-edited file. Do you deny me the edit and wish me to redo the Russian Turn?

Andrew, just asking for clarification on this. I don’t understand how this would be allowable, to re-do Russia’s entire turn, including dice rolls.

By extension, are you saying the German’s would have had the opportunity to re-do their entire turn, including NCM rather than submitting an edited file?

This seems far worse than allowing a simple edit from a NCM phase.

Regarding the greater issue at hand though, I don’t believe this follows Generally Accepted league practices with a rather legalistic and unyielding view of edits in playoff games. In my experience, I have not encountered a single player in league who does not allow NCM edits if the next turn has not started. This is mainly for (1) Fun game play experience (2) More competitive game play experience (do you want to win due to an obvious oversight?) (3) Imperfect translation of an over-the-board experience to an online experience.

As luck would have it, a new player asked me about how the League works, and when moves are “locked in” or not, and when edits are acceptable. I re-post my response to him here, with minor editorial corrections (sorry about specific references to our game as well):

Well, the moderator of the league is gamerman01, so he knows best, but I will take a quick stab at it here.

Attack orders/Scramble/Intercept requests:
Once you send the request, these attack orders become locked in. You can’t ask about scrambling/intercept, get a response you don’t really like, then change your mind and change up the attacks.

Attack rolls:
Once you start, you have to at least finish 1 round of attacks and then retreat if you made a mistake or the battle is not going your way. You can do as much “simulation” gaming as you wish with local rolls, but once they are sent to the dice server, thy are locked in and cannot be changed. If there is an obvious blunder made, like in your case bringing in the transports, that can be addressed after the attacks are resolved - that would have been an easy edit back.

When is it OK to make edits?
Generally, when all the main dice rolls have completed, the Non-Combat Move phase is in the aftermath of the battles that took place. Most players allow virtually as many edits as you need here, provided the other side hasn’t started their turn. If you have significant edits to make, you should post quickly and ask the other player to hold off taking their turn until you complete the edits. Forgotten obvious walk-in attacks or killing of defenseless transports are a bit more gray, but most players here will allow this to take place as well if you missed something. If it is justifiable that the move “would not have been affected by any of the dice outcomes”, this is usually permitted, but should be requested, as your opponent could technically deny it, as it needed to be included with your initial Combat phase declarations. Most people here are pretty casual and out for a fun game, so aren’t sticklers about this, but then some are.

While statement (3) in particular is not codified in the rules, I would say it is a generally accepted standard within the league.

Full respect to you Andrew - I think you have advanced the quality of play more than anyone else, with your excellent strategy essays (which I deem as required reading for any new league player) and extremely insightful interview.

I would humbly suggest this game adheres to what the rest of the league has come to recognize as the standard with respect to edits, which I attempted to outline, but could likely use refinement as well.

been away this weekend, but it is not super complicated, so should not take too long this time, and not more than a week