Game History
Round: 1 Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 6 artilleries and 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to France 3 armour, 2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to France 3 armour moved from Greater Southern Germany to France 1 battleship moved from 113 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 103 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 117 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 108 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 124 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 118 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Norway to 111 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Germany to 110 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Germany to 111 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Holland Belgium to 111 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 110 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from Germany to 110 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Western Germany to 110 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 111 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 111 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Romania to Yugoslavia 1 armour moved from Romania to Yugoslavia 1 armour moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia 1 fighter and 2 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia 2 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from Greater Southern Germany to Yugoslavia 1 armour moved from Poland to Yugoslavia 1 tactical_bomber moved from Poland to Yugoslavia Combat - Germans Battle in France Germans attack with 6 armour, 3 artilleries, 7 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys British defend with 1 armour and 1 artillery; French defend with 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 factory_major, 1 fighter and 6 infantry Germans captures 19PUs while taking French capital Germans converts factory_major into different units Germans win, taking France from French with 6 armour, 3 artilleries, 1 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 35 Casualties for Germans: 6 infantry Casualties for French: 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 6 infantry Casualties for British: 1 armour and 1 artillery Battle in Yugoslavia Germans attack with 3 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 9 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Neutral_Allies defend with 5 infantry Germans win, taking Yugoslavia from Neutral_Allies with 3 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 7 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9 Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 5 infantry Battle in 106 Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 submarine British defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport British win with 1 destroyer and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is -6 Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine Battle in 111 Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 2 submarines and 2 tactical_bombers British defend with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British Germans win with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 18 Casualties for Germans: 1 fighter and 2 submarines Casualties for British: 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer Battle in 110 Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 2 submarines and 2 tactical_bombers British defend with 1 battleship and 1 cruiser; French defend with 1 cruiser Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Germans Germans win with 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 32 Casualties for Germans: 2 submarines Casualties for British: 1 battleship and 1 cruiser Casualties for French: 1 cruiser Trigger Germans Conquer France: Setting switch to true for conditionAttachment_French_1_Liberation_Switch attached to French triggerFrenchDestroyPUsGermans: Setting destroysPUs to true for playerAttachment attached to French Non Combat Move - Germans 1 fighter moved from Yugoslavia to Southern Italy 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yugoslavia to Southern Italy 3 aaGuns, 3 artilleries and 11 infantry moved from Germany to Slovakia Hungary 1 infantry moved from Romania to Bulgaria Germans take Bulgaria from Neutral_Axis 1 infantry moved from Poland to Slovakia Hungary 1 infantry moved from Poland to Slovakia Hungary 1 infantry moved from Norway to Finland Germans take Finland from Neutral_Axis 1 bomber moved from 111 Sea Zone to Western Germany 1 bomber moved from 110 Sea Zone to Western Germany 1 aaGun moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium 1 fighter moved from 111 Sea Zone to Western Germany 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 110 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium 1 transport moved from 114 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Denmark to 113 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Denmark to 113 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 113 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 114 Sea Zone to Poland 1 infantry moved from 114 Sea Zone to Poland 1 infantry moved from Poland to Slovakia Hungary 1 tactical_bomber moved from 111 Sea Zone to Western Germany 1 tactical_bomber moved from 111 Sea Zone to Western Germany Place Units - Germans 6 artilleries and 2 infantry placed in Germany Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 39 PUs; end with 58 PUs Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 63 PUs Objective Germans 1 Trade with Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 68 PUsLeague General Discussion Thread
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@amon-sul said in League General Discussion Thread:
i suggest we patch OOB with BM, but if the OOB guys want their own league, fine by me.
Problem there is that then no problem is solved. :) We would be in the same situation of having to define a default for the playoffs being unfair to atleast someone.
I think the division into 3 standings and playoffs is as simple as great idea.
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@simon33 said in League General Discussion Thread:
BM4 (14 IPC bombers) as standard
It is already, and still called BM3 (designer’s decree). ;)
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@trulpen said in League General Discussion Thread:
@simon33 said in League General Discussion Thread:
BM4 (14 IPC bombers) as standard
It is already, and still called BM3 (designer’s decree). ;)
BM 3.1 :tongue:
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@trulpen said in League General Discussion Thread:
@amon-sul said in League General Discussion Thread:
i suggest we patch OOB with BM, but if the OOB guys want their own league, fine by me.
Problem there is that then no problem is solved. :) We would be in the same situation of having to define a default for the playoffs being unfair to atleast someone.
I think the division into 3 standings and playoffs is as simple as great idea.
well thats for the OOB dudes to decide. I think that OOB league and play off will be of little interest,
but if they wish to have it ,
i dont have anything against it.
it is the most democratic idea.
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@trulpen said in League General Discussion Thread:
@amon-sul said in League General Discussion Thread:
i suggest we patch OOB with BM, but if the OOB guys want their own league, fine by me.
Problem there is that then no problem is solved. :) We would be in the same situation of having to define a default for the playoffs being unfair to atleast someone.
I think the division into 3 standings and playoffs is as simple as great idea.
Actually, I think I understand now what you were driving at. Keep OOB and BM3 together, but have the option of separate playoffs. Sure, that could work. Maybe even be good. Still think the best solution is a separate standing also for BM3 and OOB. Makes a bit of sense, since there are pretty different prerequisites for the two versions.
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as for OOB i dont play it much worse then BM, its not abot that. its about BM beinge more balanced, upgraded, better, gives much more options, totally dominant comparing to OOB. (the bombers cost 14 is just another great add).
i personally hope since PTV is a different game that we BM dudes will see another remakes of BM similar of that boms from 12 to 14.
(by that i mean the cost of units, tech and national tech options)
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@trulpen said in League General Discussion Thread:
@trulpen said in League General Discussion Thread:
@amon-sul said in League General Discussion Thread:
i suggest we patch OOB with BM, but if the OOB guys want their own league, fine by me.
Problem there is that then no problem is solved. :) We would be in the same situation of having to define a default for the playoffs being unfair to atleast someone.
I think the division into 3 standings and playoffs is as simple as great idea.
Actually, I think I understand now what you were driving at. Keep OOB and BM3 together, but have the option of separate playoffs. Sure, that could work. Maybe even be good. Still think the best solution is a separate standing also for BM3 and OOB. Makes a bit of sense, since there are pretty different prerequisites for the two versions.
no, i wasnt for the mix model.
i was for one league and one playoff for them just like this year but without ptv, and with bm as the default version
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@trulpen said in League General Discussion Thread:
@simon33 said in League General Discussion Thread:
BM4 (14 IPC bombers) as standard
It is already, and still called BM3 (designer’s decree). ;)
Reference?
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@simon33 said in League General Discussion Thread:
@trulpen said in League General Discussion Thread:
@simon33 said in League General Discussion Thread:
BM4 (14 IPC bombers) as standard
It is already, and still called BM3 (designer’s decree). ;)
Reference?
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@trulpen That is not a reference.
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Can we already start our leauge game?
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@simon33 said in League General Discussion Thread:
@trulpen That is not a reference.
I’ve read a statement about it, but finding it, nah, would take several hours of manual search. Won’t do it, sorry.
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I say that it is BM4. It is not the same as BM3 by intention.
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@giallo said in League General Discussion Thread:
Can we already start our leauge game?
I mean play-off game ofcourse
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@giallo yes you can start the bidding process as well as the Playoff game.
This discussion is about the next Playoffs in '22.
You may start yours against Tanios allready. GL HF -
@gamerman01 said in League General Discussion Thread:
OK, great! Great discussion, I mean.
Not a bad idea to have separate playoff brackets for separate versions - not a bad idea at all - but I think I have a better one!
It’s no trouble for me to maintain 3 different standings sheets for 2021. Therefore, I’m confident the majority will agree that for 2021 we will still have 1 league together (shared results thread, shared discussion thread, shared everything) but with a separate standings and PPG calculation by version, which is actually what I was saying before I read the last 2-3 hours worth of posts. There will be a league champion playoff for each of the 3 different versions.
Again, this is a proposal and you all can shoot it down (with radar enabled AA guns), but surely this will be the most popular idea, no?? :)
I would very much like to have ONE ranking for all games, after all that is what we have to today. Today @gamerman01 would record any result as long as someone is posting a win for their opponent (even chess would be ok I think?). That is good and is not a problem.
Like several people have suggested maybe it makes more sense to record the number of games each individual has played in each version rather than a spesific rating for that version. This number of games played (minimum, maybe 3 or 4?) determines if you are eligible to play that version’s playoff, the overall ranking however, is always the master for your seeding regardless of version.
I think ONE ranking is prefered because sometimes you will have persons with 0 or 1 game in one version (but many games in other versions) playing a person with several games in that version. This way of handling the ranking will put people at a rating sooner, remember it is a 3 game cap before you have a firm rating.
We need to avoid a situation where someone plays 2 OOB, 2 BM and 2 PtV and is still without a rating.
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I agree with having one ranking. 3 tourneys sounds great, and recording results in each sounds great too, but I dont like the idea of having 3 different rankings. The more games players play the more the rankings stabilize. 8 or so games seems to do a decent job at that with our particular ranking system.
E or M in one version probably translates well to other formats provided that player has actually played those other formats. I think we just need a minimum of games in a particular format to qualify for that particular tourney.
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@ksmckay said in League General Discussion Thread:
I agree with having one ranking. 3 tourneys sounds great, and recording results in each sounds great too, but I dont like the idea of having 3 different rankings. The more games players play the more the rankings stabilize. 8 or so games seems to do a decent job at that with our particular ranking system.
E or M in one version probably translates well to other formats provided that player has actually played those other formats. I think we just need a minimum of games in a particular format to qualify for that particular tourney.
exactely my point. I agree 100%
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I haven’t played PTV … is the game mechanically similar enough that a person with a good PTV record is likely to have a good OOB/BM3 record?
Or conversely, is there any player who’s very sucessful at PTV but very poor at OOB/BM3?
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@wheatbeer said in League General Discussion Thread:
I haven’t played PTV … is the game mechanically similar enough that a person with a good PTV record is likely to have a good OOB/BM3 record?
Or conversely, is there any player who’s very sucessful at PTV but very poor at OOB/BM3?
At first you probably wont be at the same level, but once you play a few games and learn the rules and basics you will be fine. In order to be a good player in this game you need to make good decisions, be able to develop strategies and adapt as needed, and such. All those things apply to all the versions. The different versions have their own nuances but if you are good at fundamentals you can learn the new games with just a bit of effort.
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