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Round: 1 Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Trigger Germans 6 Atlantic Wall Broken Switch: Setting switch to false for conditionAttachment_Germans_6_Atlantic_Wall_Possible_Switch attached to Germans Combat Move - Germans 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux 1 mech_infantry moved from Western Germany to Normandy Bordeaux 3 armour and 3 mech_infantrys moved from Austria to France 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Western Germany to France 2 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to France 1 fighter moved from Norway to 114 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from Germany to 114 Sea Zone 1 battleship moved from 116 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Germany to 114 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 127 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 121 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 120 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 111 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 111 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 106 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Germany to 113 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Holland Belgium to 113 Sea Zone 2 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 113 Sea Zone 2 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from Austria to Yugoslavia 1 armour and 2 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia 1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Romania to Yugoslavia 1 armour and 1 fighter moved from Poland to Yugoslavia Combat - Germans Battle in Yugoslavia Germans attack with 3 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 9 infantry Neutral_Allies defend with 5 infantry Germans win, taking Yugoslavia from Neutral_Allies with 3 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 9 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 15 Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 5 infantry Battle in Normandy Bordeaux Germans attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry French defend with 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry Germans win, taking Normandy Bordeaux from French with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for French: 1 artillery and 1 infantry Battle in 114 Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 2 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber British defend with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Germans Germans win with 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 31 Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine Casualties for British: 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer Battle in 109 Sea Zone Germans attack with 2 submarines British defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport Germans win, taking 109 Sea Zone from Neutral with 2 submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 14 Casualties for British: 1 destroyer and 1 transport Battle in 113 Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 bomber, 3 fighters, 2 submarines and 4 tactical_bombers British defend with 1 battleship and 1 cruiser; French defend with 1 cruiser Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British Germans win with 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 18 Casualties for Germans: 2 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber Casualties for French: 1 cruiser Casualties for British: 1 battleship and 1 cruiser Battle in France Germans attack with 5 armour, 2 artilleries, 6 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys British defend with 1 armour and 1 artillery; French defend with 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 factory_major, 1 fighter and 6 infantry Germans captures 19PUs while taking French capital Germans converts factory_major into different units Germans win, taking France from French with 5 armour and 4 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 27 Casualties for Germans: 2 artilleries and 6 infantry Casualties for French: 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 6 infantry Casualties for British: 1 armour and 1 artillery Trigger Germans Conquer France: Setting switch to true for conditionAttachment_French_1_Liberation_Switch attached to French triggerFrenchDestroyPUsGermans: Setting destroysPUs to true for playerAttachment attached to French Non Combat Move - Germans 1 cruiser and 1 transport moved from 117 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone 3 infantry moved from Norway to Finland Germans take Finland from Neutral_Axis 2 infantry moved from Denmark to 115 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 115 Sea Zone to Norway 1 aaGun, 3 artilleries and 11 infantry moved from Germany to Poland 1 infantry moved from Romania to Bulgaria Germans take Bulgaria from Neutral_Axis 1 fighter moved from Yugoslavia to Southern Italy 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 114 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from 114 Sea Zone to Western Germany 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from 113 Sea Zone to Western Germany 1 aaGun moved from Germany to Slovakia Hungary 1 aaGun moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux 1 aaGun moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium Place Units - Germans 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine placed in 115 Sea Zone Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from 114 Sea Zone: 1 submarine EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from 114 Sea Zone: 1 battleship EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to 115 Sea Zone: 1 battleship EDIT: Changing unit hit damage for these Germans owned units to: battleship = 1 EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 41 PUs; end with 60 PUs Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 65 PUs Objective Germans 1 Trade with Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 70 PUsLeague General Discussion Thread
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You pretty much need 3 subs in SZ106 to be somewhat confident to take that transport. Everything else is a coinflip.
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Right, I forgot 91 in my list.
106 is big because if G sends 2 it’s still very risky as Pejon said. If G1 doesn’t attempt 106, 1 sub can’t attack anything.If you’re not going to attack 97, no use putting a sub in 98 unless you’re putting one in 91 and gonna use sub in 98 to attack 96.
Anyway, I’m a strong believer that you use your whole bid on UK subs, with extra going whatever. Nobody does it, but infantry in France could be good.
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@pejon_88 said in League General Discussion Thread:
You pretty much need 3 subs in SZ106 to be somewhat confident to take that transport. Everything else is a coinflip.
I prefer the coinflip of 2 subs though. 3 subs just means a juicy target for UK with the DD from SZ109 and probably the bomber.
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^ also with a 3 sub attack, UK should probably submerge a bid sub and then use it to counter attack.
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On the bids they should be used to do one of two things:
- nerf an axis attack
- allow or strengthen an allied attack
The SZ106 bid does achieve this to some degree but I think much less than either the Scottish fighter bid (which for some reason isn’t used as much any more) or the combo bid with +16 of ftr malta and sub SZ98. This allows a Taranto with sending in the CV, mostly. Main risk being if they don’t scramble and don’t get a defensive hit (roughly 16%) you lose the CV as it has to move in to capture the plane which came from UK.
I reckon if I had a 20 bid I would put down an artillery in Kweichow. Gives China more fight against a J3 DOW.
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@simon33 Fig in Scotland probably not used since it costs 10IPC, a sub only 6IPC.
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@pejon_88 said in League General Discussion Thread:
@simon33 Fig in Scotland probably not used since it costs 10IPC, a sub only 6IPC.
I think a better bang for buck though.
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In that specific sea zone, yes, but consider 10 IPC for a fig or 12 IPC for 2 sub (i e z106/111).
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The sub may submerge, so z111 is a great spot since Germany lacks des.
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I would rather have the Scottish fighter than 2 subs. Makes it hard to attack both fleets as Germany.
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@simon33 I wold prefer art + sub most situations
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@trulpen said in League General Discussion Thread:
The sub may submerge, so z111 is a great spot since Germany lacks des.
I almost always buy a DD G1. So this sub is effectively guaranteed to be in range of an attacker, since it isn’t worth a DD to save a sub. I guess it does mean you probably need to buy another DD to kill the USSR sub though. If the BB is sent to SZ111 G1, while the sub can fight then submerge, in the first round a lucky hit just goes on the BB anyway.
I do see some merit in it though. Just less of a priority than the Med for my money.
Germany will probably do this to the 106+111 subs:
Which makes the UK options to scramble 111 definitely, sub fights 106 and I reckon also scramble 110. The German tac can also be added to 110 though which reduces the UK benefit from the scramble significantly. -
Oh, would advise against that setup, since it very much weakens the attack on z110. Germany is almost bound to lose a lot of luftwaffe there with a weak attack.
If the sub happens to hit in z111, which you really can’t count on, then great, more possible damage since it allows other hits to be dispersed where they’re felt.
I also prefer to attack z106 with only 2 subs as Germany as it is sufficient power to more likely take that fleet out and also doesn’t expend yet another sub that can’t go elsewhere. As you point out the eventual surviving sub/s are truly toast during UKs turn, so feels slightly wasteful for what you get.
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@trulpen said in League General Discussion Thread:
Oh, would advise against that setup, since it very much weakens the attack on z110. Germany is almost bound to lose a lot of luftwaffe there with a weak attack.
Even if you add 1 more tac to SZ110, still against? I think I would still scramble to that attack though.
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It’s still slightly weak. I like the strafe of z111, soaking a hit with Bismarck. Then there’s only 2 subs in z110 though and you need atleast 3 fig, 3 tac, 2 sb in order to dissuade a scramble. Since the air can’t hit the subs there should really just be a wash-out in case UK does scramble anyway.
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You might be right, although skipping the SZ111 attack is also a bit weak. I guess you can still send the second bomber to SZ110 and just live with the scramble.You might get good rolls, maybe bad but better to chance it than making the SZ124 sub sit on the bench and then be destroyed.
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The sb won’t matter for a scramble in z111, if that was a point. It’s obvious Germany just wants to strafe there anyway, so it’s prefectly safe to scramble the fig. Getting stuck with the bs in z111 is very bad. I like to get 2 subs in there, but with a sub in z106 there will be only 1 if z106 is to be attacked, which I usually prefer.
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@trulpen No I am only worried about a scramble in 110. 111 is a no brainer for the allies.
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Since the loss of air is greatest in z110 I believe the 2 sb’s have the greatest use in z110.
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My point was I still think you should 111 even with the 2 subs bid even though it makes the opening shakier but I am less sure about that with the Scottish fighter bid.
Honestly, I would much rather send 1 sub to probably die in 106 than miss the 111 attack, which also kills the 124 sub anyway. Maybe that is the optimum move against the 106+111 subs bid. I guess you could also move that sub up to SZ121 but it just dies there not providing much distraction for UK.
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