League General Discussion Thread

farmboy

@gamerman01 @Soulblighter moving this here if that is alright since this is the discussion page. I was going to add that the 97 attack is a bit less common now I think so the sub in 98 is less common too. I tend to place my bid to constrain G1 choices so usually subs in 91 and 106 or around the UK.

I think gamerman is right that the bid has gotten a little high. But if and when @axis-dominion, @JDOW and @Adam514 rejoin the league, we might find it a little low. :)

Soulblighter

@farmboy said in League General Discussion Thread:

@gamerman01 @Soulblighter moving this here if that is alright since this is the discussion page. I was going to add that the 97 attack is a bit less common now I think so the sub in 98 is less common too. I tend to place my bid to constrain G1 choices so usually subs in 91 and 106 or around the UK.

I think gamerman is right that the bid has gotten a little high. But if and when @axis-dominion, @JDOW and @Adam514 rejoin the league, we might find it a little low. :)

idk. I don’t think it changes anything for g1. I saw a few interesting choices for allied bids. Mostly regarding putting a transport near SA to get those two inf faster north and a marine near india. I think those two make more sense as they allow uk to deal with a few things uk needs to deal with fast.

gamerman01

I’m guilty of keeping a conversation going in the wrong thread - AGAIN

Thanks Farmboy

gamerman01

Man it hurts to lose that destroyer/transport off Canada (106)

Subs to UK in favorite G1 targets would seem to be the most effective. 110, 111, 106

To me the game is all about the German/Russian front, as in earlier versions, and as it should be. Raising chance to bring down German planes and/or saving some fleet is the best use of a bid IMO.

I always take sub 98 and hit 97 because I got burned by skipping 97 once. Hard. Probably did the wrong thing. Italy went wild and helped on India, and that’s curtains.

farmboy

@gamerman01 I like the gib air base move as my UK1. It doesn’t knock the italian fleet out but it contains it and conserves the UK navy to threaten both Germany and Italy. So the sub in 91 both protects that cruiser (which I’ve also seen as a target that can mess up my UK plans) and gives you a way to hit the Italian destroyer without trading your own or risking a plane.

@soulblighter I do the marine in India if I’m confident that axis aren’t going for a J1 or J2 (some players are pretty consistently a J3). I’m sure a transport off SA works well if you are going to hit Italy in Africa hard on UK1/2 and get the Mid East. But the subs in the Atlantic make German naval attacks riskier and I find it helps me set up the allies in the atlantic more quickly.

Soulblighter

@gamerman01 I agree, but G1 needs to get rid of the fleet either way. Also 106 is a 50/50 shot regardless. So it feels pointless to put something there. It would be better to put something somewhere where you know it will be effective, like the 98 sub.

trulpen

A sub in z106 is actually a great spot for a sub. It forces G to use 2 subs if they want to hit the des and tr. That means one less sub in z111. All of three of z91/110/111 have merits, but I think z91 and z111 are better.

Pejon_88

You pretty much need 3 subs in SZ106 to be somewhat confident to take that transport. Everything else is a coinflip.

gamerman01

Right, I forgot 91 in my list.
106 is big because if G sends 2 it’s still very risky as Pejon said. If G1 doesn’t attempt 106, 1 sub can’t attack anything.

If you’re not going to attack 97, no use putting a sub in 98 unless you’re putting one in 91 and gonna use sub in 98 to attack 96.

Anyway, I’m a strong believer that you use your whole bid on UK subs, with extra going whatever. Nobody does it, but infantry in France could be good.

simon33

@pejon_88 said in League General Discussion Thread:

You pretty much need 3 subs in SZ106 to be somewhat confident to take that transport. Everything else is a coinflip.

I prefer the coinflip of 2 subs though. 3 subs just means a juicy target for UK with the DD from SZ109 and probably the bomber.

simon33

^ also with a 3 sub attack, UK should probably submerge a bid sub and then use it to counter attack.

simon33

On the bids they should be used to do one of two things:

nerf an axis attack
allow or strengthen an allied attack

The SZ106 bid does achieve this to some degree but I think much less than either the Scottish fighter bid (which for some reason isn’t used as much any more) or the combo bid with +16 of ftr malta and sub SZ98. This allows a Taranto with sending in the CV, mostly. Main risk being if they don’t scramble and don’t get a defensive hit (roughly 16%) you lose the CV as it has to move in to capture the plane which came from UK.

I reckon if I had a 20 bid I would put down an artillery in Kweichow. Gives China more fight against a J3 DOW.

Pejon_88

@simon33 Fig in Scotland probably not used since it costs 10IPC, a sub only 6IPC.

simon33

@pejon_88 said in League General Discussion Thread:

@simon33 Fig in Scotland probably not used since it costs 10IPC, a sub only 6IPC.

I think a better bang for buck though.

trulpen

In that specific sea zone, yes, but consider 10 IPC for a fig or 12 IPC for 2 sub (i e z106/111).

trulpen

The sub may submerge, so z111 is a great spot since Germany lacks des.

simon33

I would rather have the Scottish fighter than 2 subs. Makes it hard to attack both fleets as Germany.

Pejon_88

@simon33 I wold prefer art + sub most situations

simon33

@trulpen said in League General Discussion Thread:

The sub may submerge, so z111 is a great spot since Germany lacks des.

I almost always buy a DD G1. So this sub is effectively guaranteed to be in range of an attacker, since it isn’t worth a DD to save a sub. I guess it does mean you probably need to buy another DD to kill the USSR sub though. If the BB is sent to SZ111 G1, while the sub can fight then submerge, in the first round a lucky hit just goes on the BB anyway.

I do see some merit in it though. Just less of a priority than the Med for my money.

Germany will probably do this to the 106+111 subs:

Which makes the UK options to scramble 111 definitely, sub fights 106 and I reckon also scramble 110. The German tac can also be added to 110 though which reduces the UK benefit from the scramble significantly.

trulpen

Oh, would advise against that setup, since it very much weakens the attack on z110. Germany is almost bound to lose a lot of luftwaffe there with a weak attack.

If the sub happens to hit in z111, which you really can’t count on, then great, more possible damage since it allows other hits to be dispersed where they’re felt.

I also prefer to attack z106 with only 2 subs as Germany as it is sufficient power to more likely take that fleet out and also doesn’t expend yet another sub that can’t go elsewhere. As you point out the eventual surviving sub/s are truly toast during UKs turn, so feels slightly wasteful for what you get.

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