Game History
Round: 1 Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Trigger Germans 6 Atlantic Wall Broken Switch: Setting switch to false for conditionAttachment_Germans_6_Atlantic_Wall_Possible_Switch attached to Germans Combat Move - Germans 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux 1 mech_infantry moved from Western Germany to Normandy Bordeaux 3 armour and 3 mech_infantrys moved from Austria to France 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Western Germany to France 2 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to France 1 fighter moved from Norway to 114 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from Germany to 114 Sea Zone 1 battleship moved from 116 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Germany to 114 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 127 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 121 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 120 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 111 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 111 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 106 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Germany to 113 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Holland Belgium to 113 Sea Zone 2 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 113 Sea Zone 2 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from Austria to Yugoslavia 1 armour and 2 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia 1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Romania to Yugoslavia 1 armour and 1 fighter moved from Poland to Yugoslavia Combat - Germans Battle in Yugoslavia Germans attack with 3 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 9 infantry Neutral_Allies defend with 5 infantry Germans win, taking Yugoslavia from Neutral_Allies with 3 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 9 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 15 Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 5 infantry Battle in Normandy Bordeaux Germans attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry French defend with 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry Germans win, taking Normandy Bordeaux from French with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for French: 1 artillery and 1 infantry Battle in 114 Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 2 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber British defend with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Germans Germans win with 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 31 Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine Casualties for British: 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer Battle in 109 Sea Zone Germans attack with 2 submarines British defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport Germans win, taking 109 Sea Zone from Neutral with 2 submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 14 Casualties for British: 1 destroyer and 1 transport Battle in 113 Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 bomber, 3 fighters, 2 submarines and 4 tactical_bombers British defend with 1 battleship and 1 cruiser; French defend with 1 cruiser Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British Germans win with 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 18 Casualties for Germans: 2 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber Casualties for French: 1 cruiser Casualties for British: 1 battleship and 1 cruiser Battle in France Germans attack with 5 armour, 2 artilleries, 6 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys British defend with 1 armour and 1 artillery; French defend with 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 factory_major, 1 fighter and 6 infantry Germans captures 19PUs while taking French capital Germans converts factory_major into different units Germans win, taking France from French with 5 armour and 4 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 27 Casualties for Germans: 2 artilleries and 6 infantry Casualties for French: 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 6 infantry Casualties for British: 1 armour and 1 artillery Trigger Germans Conquer France: Setting switch to true for conditionAttachment_French_1_Liberation_Switch attached to French triggerFrenchDestroyPUsGermans: Setting destroysPUs to true for playerAttachment attached to French Non Combat Move - Germans 1 cruiser and 1 transport moved from 117 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone 3 infantry moved from Norway to Finland Germans take Finland from Neutral_Axis 2 infantry moved from Denmark to 115 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 115 Sea Zone to Norway 1 aaGun, 3 artilleries and 11 infantry moved from Germany to Poland 1 infantry moved from Romania to Bulgaria Germans take Bulgaria from Neutral_Axis 1 fighter moved from Yugoslavia to Southern Italy 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 114 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from 114 Sea Zone to Western Germany 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from 113 Sea Zone to Western Germany 1 aaGun moved from Germany to Slovakia Hungary 1 aaGun moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux 1 aaGun moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium Place Units - Germans 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine placed in 115 Sea Zone Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from 114 Sea Zone: 1 submarine EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from 114 Sea Zone: 1 battleship EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to 115 Sea Zone: 1 battleship EDIT: Changing unit hit damage for these Germans owned units to: battleship = 1 EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 41 PUs; end with 60 PUs Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 65 PUs Objective Germans 1 Trade with Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 70 PUsLeague General Discussion Thread
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Well low luck is a house rule so it is not properly defined but if you extend the standard rules, which are you can assume every attacking dice is a hit and every defending dice is a miss (or words to that effect). Then you have to have a non zero chance to be able to get the CV to move into that sea zone.
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@simon33 Ok. Low luck is just a rule for the dice. So, are we to assume that every rule that might be affected by low luck is affected by it?
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@aagamerz13 said in League General Discussion Thread:
@simon33 Ok. Low luck is just a rule for the dice. So, are we to assume that every rule that might be affected by low luck is affected by it?
Not sure if there are any other rules affected.
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@simon33 said in League General Discussion Thread:
@aagamerz13 said in League General Discussion Thread:
@simon33 Ok. Low luck is just a rule for the dice. So, are we to assume that every rule that might be affected by low luck is affected by it?
Not sure if there are any other rules affected.
It’s possible to apply LL on SBR and CD.
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LL on SBR AA Guns is pretty obvious but not sure about the damage rolls.
LL on CD - so reduce income by 1 for every die roll? I suppose that is possible.But I think the one he was talking about: is this attack legal is the only real anomaly that LL causes.
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Hehe, I’d say the real anomaly is being able to make such an air-raid by allocating a cheap, crazy kamikaze attack. Of course, the air will also be expended, so not so cheap actually, but in a situation when i e winning the game if the opponent can’t grab a VC and that land would be needed for that purpose, any investment is worth it.
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@trulpen Well, T, a rule is a rule. Would like to know if this still applies for LL. I’ll assume it doesn’t and not send carrier fighters.
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@aagamerz13 i would say this is an illegal move in LL. The rules state you need a potential landing spot. In LL you dont meet this requirement
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@aagamerz13 said in League General Discussion Thread:
@trulpen Well, T, a rule is a rule. Would like to know if this still applies for LL. I’ll assume it doesn’t and not send carrier fighters.
There’s no specific rule that allows such an attack.ä, but rather a consequence of rules where a theoretical, but practically impossible, landing spot exists. As Oysteilo says, it doesn’t exist in LL, because the odds does then not exist.
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My understanding that an attack that is legal in dice is legal in LL as well.
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@adam514 said in League General Discussion Thread:
My understanding that an attack that is legal in dice is legal in LL as well.
My understanding was* that an attack that is legal in dice is legal in LL as well.
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Is there allready somebody out there interested to keep the scoreboard running and or is willing to become League Mod??
The scoreboard isn’t updated since mit June i think…
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@aequitas-et-veritas said in League General Discussion Thread:
Is there allready somebody out there interested to keep the scoreboard running and or is willing to become League Mod??
The scoreboard isn’t updated since mit June i think…
I agree with this. i think the scoreboard needs to be updated. It looks like gamerman was online like 2 moths ago. I think we have all read his post so we understand and respect. Nevertheless, maybe it is time to start looking for someone else. Personally I think f.eks @Adam514, @JDOW and @simon33 would be great people to moderate and keep scoreboards as they are skilled with the rules. But I am sure many other people would be capable too.
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@oysteilo I’m seeing an issue with PTV USSR2. If Germany does a G2 and USSR declares on Italy, the 3 lend lease objectives don’t activate. They don’t specifically read that they are round 3 and later as in BM3. If they are still R3 and later, the text needs to be updated.
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@aagamerz13 thanks for the feedback. The objectives panel has been updated in the current version of PTV to reflect that the Lend Lease only kicks in from round 3 and beyond.
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@regularkid Thx. I’ll update the map.
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@gamerman01 You have been a godsend to our game. I hope that all is well in your personal life – I understand firsthand when real life gets in the way sometimes. Thank you so much for your commitment to all of us for so many years, and I hope that you can come back to play some games with the rest of us soon.
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Bids for balanced mod are going up and up. Noticing a lot of games at allies+16-22 and not seeing lots of allied victories. Interesting, I would think that a prudent bid at these levels would see a plane+sub for the med and perhaps a mech for Burma to stop a J1 DOW (If that needs to be stopped). The problem with a bid like this is that it changes the med dynamic a lot and makes it hard for the axis there IMHO. I thought the Scottish fighter was bad enough in that it discouraged the two fleet attack G1.
Don’t think that PtV is the answer either - with the change to partition SZ38 just don’t enjoy that map much. Possibly, axis strategies could develop in the future, like they have in OOB and BM, to the point that change makes sense but at present I don’t think it does.
Now I am wondering if we need a different or changed map for league games to be fun again. Or should we just think that the bid is part of the fun and you should decide where you want change the game dynamics at the start?
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I think the bid has to be part of it. A positive is that it does give some dynamic space, making the game more varied.
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@simon33 I think the bids are just part of the fun, and 22 is right now the price some players are willing to pay to play axis. I suspect in the long run, that will be a little high.
You are probably right that UK naval/air bids are the best (alhtough I’d probably emphasize the Atlantic including 91 which can reach into the med). And that makes sense since the only thing the Allies are certain of at the start is that Germany is at war with the UK and that is where you can minimize the damage the Germans can do the most. If you new with absolute certainty that your opponent was doing a J1, that might change things a bit. And that does reduce some of the variation in game play. It is probably an advantage of OOB with its bids of 50-60 that the Allies will end up spending that bid elsewhere too.
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