How to handle china supported by russia

I got a all day game of Global set to play on Sunday and Iam the Allies. I think I will try this and just see how my friends react to it. I will report back on Monday on the 1 game sample size of its effectiveness. Might just try Global Insanity plan just to spice things up.  :-D

Painstate - I proposed something a few years ago quite similar.

Russian Doctorine: RED DRAGON
https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=38118.0

Also - as opposed to sending the Russians north, I would propose going south, to try and get your mobile Russian force in towards Calcutta.

@Maxiheimer:

Supporting Yunnan is still better than going north in my opinion.

Ok, I will take a stab at the strategic plan that Yunnan is more important than the threaten northern China plan that I proposed with the Communist Chinese have arrived plan.

Lets set the board this way with a standard opening move by Japan.

They take Yunnan, Hunan, Anhwe and Charar.

Japan has a huge stack of Air power sitting in Kwangsi.

China Turn 1 Moves ALL their forces back to Shensi and forms a fortress. They have 15 INF + FTR. The Burma road is toast for now and no need to send troops into the vortex of death of Yunnan. So, next turn they will be able to build 2 INF with their 8 IPC.

Now Russian has the Chinese Communist army formed up on R2, ready to move in.

Japan on J2 decides to take Suiyuyan, Hopei, Kweichow and Szechwan. Now, Japan though has to decide on how many land units to put into these territories. Remember Japan can not reinforce with air power at this point. All 4 territories can be counter attacked by China if they desire.

At this point a little table talk from the Russian player to the Japan player might just give you an edge. You point out to him that Russia has 11 mech + 2 arm and 1 tac ready to reinforce Shensi on R3 before J3. Bringing up the defense/Attack of Shensi to 17 INF + 1 FTR from China and 11 Mech +2 arm + 1 tac from the Communist Chinese. That is a titanic stack of units sitting right in the middle of China for Japan to have to deal with. When R3 arrives you DOW on Japan and move your stack into Shensi. You retreat to the corner of the room where the keg of beer is at and pull a 32OZ mug of beer and see what Japan does on J3. Of course regardless of his moves you chuckle and talk to your ally who is playing China in the side room just to make Japan sweat it out a little. Of course do not neglect to mention that the communist also have 18 INF sitting in Amur ready to pounce.

Now what happens from this point on is pure speculation and totally dictated by the “board” so no need to continue what to do after you rally the Communist with the Nationals in Shensi.

Here though is the dilemma for Japan.

They really want to take Calcutta because of the VP city.
It will take them a lot of effort to take it though.
China though is a greater threat to Japan than UK Pacific because China not contained can earn more IPC than UK Pacific in the early to mid point of the game.
China now has enough troops that they can take out lightly defended territories and “can open” for the Communist to blitz even further towards the coast.
China can retake 2 VP cities if not stopped and thus make knocking out Calcutta a mute point.

At the end of the day China is a greater threat to Japan than UK Pacific can ever be in the early to mid point of a game.

That huge stack in Shensi has the potential to wreak a huge amount of damage on Japan if they ignore it and go all hell bent on India.

Totally off the subject but strikes my fancy about bids.

Lets say the Allies get a bid of 21.

It seems that common belief is that 21 should go to the Euro map to slow up Germany.

So in the vein of this discussion.

Why not plop down an extra 7 INF all over China to slow down Japan.

Coupled with my belief that China is more powerful than UK Pacific.

IMO most games of Global are won by Japan and not Germany. Slow up Japan seems to be the winning plan of attack.

@Gargantua:

Painstate - I proposed something a few years ago quite similar.

Russian Doctorine: RED DRAGON
https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=38118.0

Also - as opposed to sending the Russians north, I would propose going south, to try and get your mobile Russian force in towards Calcutta.

Very interesting ideas you proposed. We are both on the same page of thought on how Russia can tilt the balance in China / Pacific map. Just went at it from opposite sides of the rope on tactics.

This is not a comprehensive list, but as far as I know the following list probably accounts for ~90% of games and is pretty much the RUSSIA PLAYBOOK as I understand it:

1. build all infantry (optional: bid soviet infantry), march everything to Moscow, fly in Allied fighters, die slow. Hope the allies can save the day elsewhere.

2. same as #1 but send some units to Iraq or (not ‘and’) Finland to try and increase income.

3. build inf and mech R1 (optional: bid soviet infantry), buy time at Belarus, march far east troops home, fly in Allied fighters, check your battle calculator and buy artillery when its time, counterattack

4. build tanks R1 (optional: bid artillery on Eastern front), threaten counterattack to delay Barbarossa, take no sh!t from Italy, march far east troops home, counterattack opportunistically

5. build 3 mechs R1 and send planes to Yunnan (optional: bid fighters in moscow and stalingrad, and/or inf in yunnan and artillery in suiyuyan, shensi, szechwan, kweichow); far east troops go to Buryatia then Amur then Manchuria (optional: bid artillery out east), die, but watch Allies kill Germany

Gargantua, Cow, and others have discussed these in the past

Just my 2cents.

Another effecrive way to support china is bridging Alaska to SFE. Use starting naval forces + build 1 or 2 more trans and shuttle tanks mec inf to russia then on to korea where us can build factory. If japan has gone in hard to china or india often they will leave the back door open.

If japan switches to fight off Us backed by the 18 russian inf. Then uk and anzac can recover lost ground.

If japan ignores it can lead to full invasion or recapturing top half of china. Since us is first after japan in turn sequence they make useful can openers for other allies to back up.

I’m surprised I’m the only one adding artillery with my bid to the Far East Russian stack.  It does create a fear factor against Japan to have 3 artillery,  18 infantry and 2 AA guns throwing their weight around. :-D

@variance:

This is not a comprehensive list, but as far as I know the following list probably accounts for ~90% of games and is pretty much the RUSSIA PLAYBOOK as I understand it:

1. build all infantry (optional: bid soviet infantry), march everything to Moscow, fly in Allied fighters, die slow. Hope the allies can save the day elsewhere.

2. same as #1 but send some units to Iraq or (not ‘and’) Finland to try and increase income.

3. build inf and mech R1 (optional: bid soviet infantry), buy time at Belarus, march far east troops home, fly in Allied fighters, check your battle calculator and buy artillery when its time, counterattack

4. build tanks R1 (optional: bid artillery on Eastern front), threaten counterattack to delay Barbarossa, take no sh!t from Italy, march far east troops home, counterattack opportunistically

5. build 3 mechs R1 and send planes to Yunnan (optional: bid fighters in moscow and stalingrad, and/or inf in yunnan and artillery in suiyuyan, shensi, szechwan, kweichow); far east troops go to Buryatia then Amur then Manchuria (optional: bid artillery out east), die, but watch Allies kill Germany

Gargantua, Cow, and others have discussed these in the past

This is actually a really good post; with a pretty complete breakdown of viable options.  Those are the primary concepts.