Can submarines use a narrow strait if they don’t own it?

@ShadowHAwk:

@P@nther:

If in a sea combat the defending submarine survives and destroys the attacking destroyer the transport may not unload, because the attacker failed to clear the seazone from enemy units. The attacker would most likely retreat his transport, then.

HTH :-)

Actualy if there was a sea combat it would continue untill there is only 1 side left in the combat.

You cannot ignore the sub halfway through the combat, you either ignore it or you dont. So in your example the transport MUST retreat or be sunk and therefore can never be near the intended landing zone. Unless the sub player submerges but why would anyone ever do that.

Sure, I did not say anything else. This situation is not a situation about ignoring submarines, after the first round of combat is over and the attacking destroyer has been destroyed. I talked about retreating, not about ignoring, then.

This situation is a situation where the attacker decides to retreat or not, following the retreat rules.
Most likely the attacker (transport) would retreat, for the reason you described.

@the_jetset:

In fact, it could even be argued that Germany should collect the IPCs for these Vichy French territories after capturing Paris.  … but that might be going a bridge too far.

While I agree with this in spirit, I do think it could be taken too far. You could have people that say it should be this way for all countries: Once the capital is captured, the capturing power now controls all the territories and units of the vanquished nation.
For one thing, this would eliminate any possibility of liberation and I think this game would end up being a sort of Deluxe Risk rather than Axis & Allies.
Imagine this scenario:  Germany goes after Russia and tries punching straight through to Moscow along the north route, thereby NOT taking Ukraine or Stalingrad.  Suppose Japan didn’t attack Russia at all in the far east.  Now suppose Russia was foolish and bought a battleship for the Caspian Sea instead of infantry so they didn’t have a proper defense in Moscow and Germany wins.  Now Germany controls territory all the way to the Pacific and Japan now has a buddy to their north instead of an enemy. Plus, Germany becomes instantly rich, almost doubling their income with all the Russian 2 point territories plus all the troops that were guarding those territories (not to mention Germany’s shiny new battleship in the Caspian Sea.).

I wonder if a crazy rule like this would make games longer or shorter?  Capital defense would probably be even heavier.

@wittmann:

I am English, so I play by the rules. Reluctantly though: old rules worked for me.

Because Canadians and Americans never play by the rules!

@munchie19:

Another thing I noticed about the setup is that some of the starting incomes aren’t correct. For example, Japan starts out with 31 (which is correct according to the setup), but they are not at war with any of the Allies, except for China, so they should receive that NO.

This setup has them already occupying French Indo-China. That $10 NO for being at peace with the Western Allies includes Japan NOT invading FIC. Therefore, that NO is cancelled.

It looks like everyone has a lot more stuff in this setup. UK Europe seems to have roughly the same size navy – they lose a battleship but gain 2 more destroyers. I think I like it because I just LOVE playing with more pieces. Thanks again. Oh, and thank you oztea for putting it together.

the uk had a mass of ships comming from canada and the uk player slyly hidd 2 transports among them i thought they were just renforcments w/ out transportys. other wise i would have prepared

Mmmm, industrial complex in New Zealand is tasty for the Japanese. Mmmmm.

Really Anzac could use it occasionally. Sometimes I want to build four inf and a fighter.

Yes, it’s correct.  You can mobilize up to three units from the IC in the same turn that it’s upgraded, and up to ten units starting in the following turn.

cos they robed irelands place in the world cup,by cheating,and got knocked out in the first round,kinda like in ww2,LOL