Amon-Sul v JWW (axis)

@Amon-Sul:

awaiting Germany.

cheers

sorry for the delay…long weekend away

I should know this but I thought Vichy wouldn’t happen because ITA attacked S.Fra? I really need to learn the rules better!!!

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3 with Combat Move First, version: 3.3

Game History

Round: 2

Research Technology - Germans

Politics - Germans
            Germans takes Political Action: Political Action Germans To War With Chinese
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Germans To War With Chinese: Changing Relationship for Germans and Chinese from Neutrality to War
            Germans takes Political Action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Germans and Russians from Neutrality to War
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and British from Neutrality to Allied
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and French from Neutrality to Allied
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Allies from Neutrality to Friendly_Neutral
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Axis from Neutrality to Unfriendly_Neutral

Combat Move - Germans
            1 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia
                  Germans take Karelia from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Finland to Vyborg
                  Germans take Vyborg from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States
                  Germans take Baltic States from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Poland to Eastern Poland
                  Germans take Eastern Poland from Russians
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 93 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 96 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser and 1 transport moved from 114 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Western Germany to 96 Sea Zone
            1 bomber and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to Greece
            3 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Greece

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 10 mech_infantrys and 2 submarines; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat - Germans
            Battle in 93 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 tactical_bomber; Neutral_Axis loiter and taunt
                British defend with 1 transport
                    1 transport owned by the British lost in 93 Sea Zone
                Germans win with 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for British: 1 transport
            Battle in 96 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
                British defend with 1 cruiser
                    Germans roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/3 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 cruiser in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in 96 Sea Zone, round 3 :  0/3 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 cruiser in 96 Sea Zone, round 3 :  0/1 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in 96 Sea Zone, round 4 :  2/3 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 cruiser in 96 Sea Zone, round 4 :  0/1 hits
                    1 cruiser owned by the British lost in 96 Sea Zone
                Germans win with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
                Casualties for British: 1 cruiser
            Battle in Greece
                Germans attack with 1 bomber, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Neutral_Allies defend with 4 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 1 bomber, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Greece, round 2 :  1/5 hits
                    Neutral_Allies roll dice for 4 infantry in Greece, round 2 :  0/4 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies lost in Greece
                    Germans roll dice for 1 bomber, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Greece, round 3 :  0/5 hits
                    Neutral_Allies roll dice for 3 infantry in Greece, round 3 :  0/3 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 bomber, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Greece, round 4 :  1/5 hits
                    Neutral_Allies roll dice for 3 infantry in Greece, round 4 :  1/3 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Greece
                    Germans roll dice for 1 bomber, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Greece, round 5 :  1/4 hits
                    Neutral_Allies roll dice for 2 infantry in Greece, round 5 :  1/2 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Greece
                    Germans roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Greece, round 6 :  2/3 hits
                    Neutral_Allies roll dice for 1 infantry in Greece, round 6 :  1/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Greece
                Germans win with 1 bomber and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Germans: 3 infantry
                Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 4 infantry

Non Combat Move - Germans
            2 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Romania
            3 armour moved from Yugoslavia to Eastern Poland
            2 artilleries and 9 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Romania
            2 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland
            1 aaGun moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland
            2 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 8 infantry moved from Poland to Eastern Poland
            8 infantry moved from Germany to Poland
            2 infantry moved from Western Germany to 113 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Norway to Finland
            2 infantry moved from 113 Sea Zone to Norway
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from France to Western Germany
            5 armour and 3 mech_infantrys moved from France to Germany
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Western Germany
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 96 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
            1 bomber moved from 96 Sea Zone to Western Germany
            1 bomber moved from Greece to Southern Italy
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Greece to Southern Italy
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 93 Sea Zone to Southern Italy

Place Units - Germans
            1 destroyer and 2 submarines placed in 113 Sea Zone
            1 fighter placed in Western Germany
            10 mech_infantrys placed in Germany

Turn Complete - Germans
            Germans collect 44 PUs; end with 44 PUs
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 49 PUs

Territory Summary for Germans :

Normandy Bordeaux : 1 flag, 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour
    France : 1 flag, 1 airfield, 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor and 1 infantry
    Western Germany : 3 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 factory_major, 1 fighter, 1 harbour, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
    Romania : 2 artilleries and 11 infantry
    Poland : 8 infantry
    Germany : 5 armour, 1 factory_major and 13 mech_infantrys
    Norway : 2 infantry
    Southern Italy : 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 3 tactical_bombers
    Karelia : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Baltic States : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Vyborg : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Eastern Poland : 1 flag, 3 aaGuns, 3 armour, 3 artilleries and 15 infantry
    113 Sea Zone : 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 submarines and 1 transport
    Bulgaria : 1 flag
    Yugoslavia : 1 flag
    Finland : 1 flag, 5 infantry

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 44 / 49
    Russians : 32 / 37
    Japanese : 31 / 46
    Americans : 52 / 52
    Chinese : 9 / 12
    British : 26 / 37
    UK_Pacific : 17 / 17
    Italians : 16 / 13
    ANZAC : 14 / 14
    French : 1 / 0
    Dutch : 7 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 10 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 6 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

triplea_40858_Ger2.tsvg

wow, what awful dice for both of us…that could have gone horribly wrong for me. not hitting with a 4’s repeatedly is a real downer. luckily you couldn’t hit with a 3 for your cruiser either…

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3 with Combat Move First, version: 3.3

Game History

Round: 2

Combat Move - Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Siberia to Sakha
                  Japanese take Sakha from Russians
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Chahar to Suiyuyan
            2 infantry moved from Anhwe to Kweichow
            2 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hopei
            2 infantry moved from Hunan to Yunnan
            1 bomber moved from Kwangsi to Suiyuyan
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to Kweichow
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            1 bomber moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Jehol to Hopei

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 3 infantry, 1 marine, 3 submarines and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 0 PUs;

Combat - Japanese
            Battle in Yunnan
                Japanese attack with 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
                Chinese defend with 2 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Yunnan, round 2 :  3/7 hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 2 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 :  0/2 hits
                    2 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Yunnan
                Japanese win, taking Yunnan from Chinese with 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Chinese: 2 infantry
            Battle in Kweichow
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Chinese defend with 1 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Kweichow, round 2 :  1/4 hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Kweichow, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Kweichow
                Japanese win, taking Kweichow from Chinese with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
            Battle in Hopei
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Chinese defend with 1 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Hopei, round 2 :  1/4 hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Hopei, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Hopei
                Japanese win, taking Hopei from Chinese with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Battle in Suiyuyan
                Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 2 infantry
                Chinese defend with 1 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 2 infantry in Suiyuyan, round 2 :  1/4 hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Suiyuyan, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Suiyuyan
                Japanese win, taking Suiyuyan from Chinese with 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Japanese
            2 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Kwangsi
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Hunan to Kwangsi
            1 infantry moved from Jehol to Chahar
            2 artilleries, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Anhwe to Hunan
            1 aaGun moved from Jehol to Anhwe
            1 infantry moved from Jehol to Chahar
            1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Jehol to Anhwe
            2 marines moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            2 cruisers and 2 marines moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            2 marines moved from 36 Sea Zone to Kwangsi
            1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 20 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Soviet Far East to 5 Sea Zone
            1 armour and 2 transports moved from 5 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            3 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 3 infantry and 2 transports moved from 6 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone
            1 armour and 3 infantry moved from 19 Sea Zone to Kiangsu
            1 carrier, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 6 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 33 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 33 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 33 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 33 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 33 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from Caroline Islands to 6 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 33 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            1 bomber, 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi
            2 tactical_bombers moved from 36 Sea Zone to Kwangsi
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kweichow to Kwangsi
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Hopei to Hunan
            1 bomber moved from Suiyuyan to Anhwe
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Jehol to Kwangsi
            1 infantry moved from Siberia to Sakha
            4 infantry moved from Manchuria to Jehol

Place Units - Japanese
            3 submarines and 2 transports placed in 6 Sea Zone
            1 marine placed in Japan
            3 infantry placed in Manchuria

Turn Complete - Japanese
            Japanese collect 36 PUs; end with 36 PUs
            Objective Japanese 1 Trade With America: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 46 PUs
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Changing ownership of Amur from Russians to Japanese
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Sakha: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Jehol: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to Amur: 2 infantry
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Jehol: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to Amur: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Changing PUs for Japanese from 46 to 47
            EDIT: Changing ownership of Ulaanbaatar from Mongolians to Russians
            EDIT: Changing ownership of Buyant-Uhaa from Mongolians to Russians
            EDIT: Changing ownership of Central Mongolia from Mongolians to Russians
            EDIT: Changing ownership of Dzavhan from Mongolians to Russians
            EDIT: Changing ownership of Tsagaan Olom from Mongolians to Russians
            EDIT: Changing ownership of Olgiy from Mongolians to Russians
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Mongolians from Ulaanbaatar: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Ulaanbaatar: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Buyant-Uhaa: 2 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Dzavhan: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Olgiy: 2 infantry
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Mongolians from Olgiy: 2 infantry
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Mongolians from Dzavhan: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Mongolians from Buyant-Uhaa: 2 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Territory Summary for Japanese :

Caroline Islands : 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
    Paulau Island : 1 infantry
    Shantung : 1 flag
    Kwangsi : 1 flag, 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 5 fighters, 3 infantry, 2 marines and 6 tactical_bombers
    Kiangsu : 1 flag, 1 armour and 3 infantry
    Kiangsi : 1 flag
    Japan : 3 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 2 artilleries, 1 factory_major, 1 harbour, 2 infantry and 1 marine
    Jehol : 1 flag, 2 infantry
    Siam : 2 infantry
    Manchuria : 1 flag, 1 factory_minor and 3 infantry
    Yunnan : 1 flag, 2 infantry
    Suiyuyan : 1 flag, 1 artillery and 2 infantry
    Kweichow : 1 flag, 2 infantry
    Hunan : 1 flag, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
    Hopei : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Chahar : 1 flag, 2 infantry
    Anhwe : 1 flag, 1 aaGun, 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 3 infantry
    Sakha : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Soviet Far East : 1 flag
    Amur : 1 flag, 3 infantry
    Siberia : 1 flag
    36 Sea Zone : 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters, 2 submarines and 1 transport
    19 Sea Zone : 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 2 transports
    6 Sea Zone : 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 3 submarines and 2 transports

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 44 / 49
    Russians : 30 / 35
    Japanese : 37 / 47
    Americans : 52 / 52
    Chinese : 5 / 12
    British : 26 / 37
    UK_Pacific : 17 / 17
    Italians : 16 / 13
    ANZAC : 14 / 14
    French : 1 / 0
    Dutch : 7 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 10 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 6 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

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@simon33:

Hmm, I was looking at the battle result but I see it was later edited.

Perhaps the edit confused the Vichy logic? Not sure how or why though.

before we proceed we should clarify what was supposed to happen in Vichy!

@Amon-Sul:

what does Gamerman says?

This is what Gman said……

Quote from: JWW on November 20, 2017, 09:43:49 am
Normandy is held by G after their T1 turn.

T1 UK drops an AA in sfra. (this act, if left alone will stop vichy, correct?)
Yes, if I remember right (don’t see it in my BM notes) a British AAA counts as an allied land unit and would stop Vichy
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T1 ITA attacks SFRA. I thought this attack, alone, would stopped vichy, but I learned I was wrong on this.
Right, Italy can attack and Vichy will be triggered if Italy did not TAKE control of South France and there are no other Allied land units there.
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Anyways, ITA took SFra on T1, again I thought if ITA controls SFra on T1 vichy wouldn’t occur but it did.
It’s not supposed to, no, sounds like a Triple A error
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I guess, as long as G hold Normany it will only not occur if G attacks or takes and hold SFRa or, if there is a UK land unit in Sfra. is this correct? where am I wrong…
What triggers Vichy (as far as South France is concerned) is it must be BLUE (controlled by France) and have no Allied LAND units on it (no non-blue land units.  Air doesn’t count so that UK can’t just send a plane there)

You can still trigger Vichy if the UK moves an AA, or AA + other land to South France.  You’d have to attack with Italy, wipe out all UK units, and not take control of South France.  This is the way I’ve always understood it and haven’t heard otherwise yet.  If you want to be 100% sure, ask Adam or Regular Kid, but I’m pretty sure about these answers

I think my edit, retreated, you said continue fighting, I did but edited the results threw things out of whack…I thought it odd and then you went ahead with ANZ & FRE, so I did G2 and here we are…the problem now is my G2 would have be different if you kept the FRE fleet in the MED. We can easily edit the FRE forces & territory back in but what to do about the navy. What do you suggest?

perhaps we do F1 & G2 over again on the forum? I can’t imagine any changes to F1 & G2 would effect R2 & J2? let me know what you think….