Dashofpepper(Axis) vs Shadowhawk(Allies)

Shadow:

I couldn’t figure out how to make the sub combat not happen, and I forgot to move a plane into Kwangtung for the attack, which I noticed when I clicked the attack.  I redid the combat moves to fix those two things, then executed.

My first bombing was 14 damage, but in the new game it was (8?) - the game automatically does that, but in case you were curious.  I think I owe you a dead infantryman in Kwangtung too.  I tried to edit the plane into the combat, but that didn’t work; the combat started and I lost two infantry and only killed one - when I fixed my moves, I only ended up losing one.  You can edit out one of my infantry there - I defer to your judgment.

The rest went surprisingly well, but…as in the first game, Japan is out of steam, Malaya has an 86% chance of losing in the counterattack, then I have no land forces to speak of, so…not sure what else to do there.  At least I didn’t leave 4 unprotected transports this time.

My J2 is done- I posted it before my last note to you if you hadn’t seen it yet.

No problem!  Just wanted to make sure you saw it.

What caused America and China to get posted twice?

Just got home, I’ll do my turn now if its my turn.

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 2

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 1 fighter and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 3 PUs;

Politics - Italians
            Italians takes Political Action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Italians and Russians from Neutrality to War
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and British from Neutrality to Allied
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and French from Neutrality to Allied
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Allies from Neutrality to Friendly_Neutral
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Axis from Neutrality to Unfriendly_Neutral

Combat Move - Italians
            1 armour moved from Romania to Eastern Poland
                  Italians take Eastern Poland from Russians
            1 armour and 3 infantry moved from Greece to 97 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 3 infantry and 2 transports moved from 97 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
            1 armour and 3 infantry moved from 99 Sea Zone to Syria
            1 battleship, 2 cruisers and 1 destroyer moved from 97 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to Algeria
            1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Tunisia to Algeria
            1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Libya to Tobruk

Combat - Italians
            Battle in Tobruk
                Italians attack with 1 artillery and 3 infantry
                British defend with 1 infantry
                Italians win, taking Tobruk from British with 1 artillery and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
            Battle in Algeria
                Italians attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                French defend with 2 infantry
                Italians win, taking Algeria from French with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for French: 2 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
            Battle in Syria

Non Combat Move - Italians
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Northern Italy to Romania
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Southern France to Northern Italy
            1 bomber moved from Algeria to Southern Italy

Place Units - Italians
            1 fighter placed in Southern Italy
            1 mech_infantry placed in Northern Italy

Turn Complete - Italians
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 1
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 98 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,3,6,5,2,5,3,1
            Italians collect 18 PUs (1 lost to blockades); end with 21 PUs total

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I2 complete and posted.

Nice rolls last turn - I took a beating, especially in Asia.

I really wanted to throw my Italian fleet and airforce at your UK fleet in the Med to try clearing the Med for my +5 IPCs, but 55% to win is risky and assuming it leaves me without a Navy, you could move in from Gibraltar and blockade me and I wouldn’t be able to stop it, so I wouldn’t really be getting anything out of it.  But I seriously thought about it.

I ended up taking Syria, because the Luftwaffe can get down there with a 98% win chance, then land in Syria, and head back up to the Russian front (or clear the middle east) the following turn.  I was supposed to be using my transports to get my troops out of Africa, but you blocked that, so I want to get something out of them.

Well, you had reserve navies, and that giant carrier mess that I didn’t want anything to do with.  Let me knock out my turn. =D

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 3

Research Technology - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 3 armour, 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs;

Politics - Germans
            Germans takes Political Action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Germans and Russians from Neutrality to War

Combat Move - Germans
            1 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States
                  Germans take Baltic States from Russians
            1 submarine moved from 110 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone
            2 submarines moved from 113 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 113 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 113 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 113 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 113 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 113 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Romania to Bessarabia
                  Germans take Bessarabia from Russians
            7 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia
                  Germans take Karelia from Russians
            2 bombers, 4 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 98 Sea Zone

Combat - Germans

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There are my G3 combat moves.

I understand scramble order requests - I don’t know if that usually happens for submerge orders?

I’m attacking your subs in 125 and 114, but have no destroyers, so I assume you’re just submerging instead of defending with a 1, but figured I should ask.

I’m not sure if I get a free shot with my subs before your subs submerge or not; I’m assuming so, which is why my sub is attacking your sub.

Well, I rolled out SZ125 and got a hit on your sub, which I had ordered to submerge, and your sub is still there, so I’m guessing that’s now how sub combat works.

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 3

Research Technology - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 3 armour, 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs;

Politics - Germans
            Germans takes Political Action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Germans and Russians from Neutrality to War

Combat Move - Germans
            1 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States
                  Germans take Baltic States from Russians
            1 submarine moved from 110 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone
            2 submarines moved from 113 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 113 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 113 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 113 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 113 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 113 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Romania to Bessarabia
                  Germans take Bessarabia from Russians
            7 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia
                  Germans take Karelia from Russians
            2 bombers, 4 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 98 Sea Zone

Combat - Germans
            Battle in 125 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 submarine
                Russians defend with 1 submarine
                1 submarine owned by the Russians Submerged
            Battle in 114 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 fighter, 2 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber
                Russians defend with 1 cruiser and 1 submarine
                1 submarine owned by the Russians Submerged
                Germans winGermans win, taking 125 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 submarine remaining with 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 fighter, 2 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
                Casualties for Russians: 1 cruiser
            Battle in 98 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 2 bombers, 4 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers
                French defend with 1 destroyer; British defend with 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers and 2 fighters
                Germans win with 2 bombers, 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 63
                Casualties for French: 1 destroyer
                Casualties for Germans: 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
                Casualties for British: 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers and 2 fighters

Non Combat Move - Germans
            2 bombers, 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from 98 Sea Zone to Syria
            1 infantry moved from Romania to Yugoslavia
            3 armour, 2 artilleries and 8 infantry moved from Romania to Eastern Poland
            2 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland
            3 artilleries and 13 infantry moved from Poland to Eastern Poland
            8 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Eastern Poland
            1 artillery moved from Normandy Bordeaux to France
            1 artillery moved from Holland Belgium to France
            6 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to Poland
            6 armour and 4 mech_infantrys moved from France to Germany

Place Units - Germans
            2 infantry placed in France
            1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in Western Germany
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from 113 Sea Zone: 1 transport
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to 114 Sea Zone: 1 transport
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            3 armour placed in Germany
            2 fighters placed in Western Germany

Turn Complete - Germans
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 0
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 125 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,4
            Germans collect 43 PUs; end with 45 PUs total
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 50 PUs

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The air force battle scared me, but it went surprisingly well - my western front rolled as well as your eastern defense (or counterattack) -

So Germany is rising and Japan is flailing - which I haven’t seen in any of my games yet; Germany and Italy usually do whatever while Japan goes and gets its 6 VCs and ends the game.

@ShadowHAwk:

Geez im beginning to hate the internal dice roller.
Only 2 hits with my fleet in the med is just insane really.

You would expect 3-4 hits the first round alone.

I offered to switch - Colt showed me how to register for the MIDAS thingy.

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 3

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 3 armour, 2 destroyers and 1 factory_minor; Remaining resources: 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Japanese
            1 destroyer moved from 6 Sea Zone to 16 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Japan to 16 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 6 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 42 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from 43 Sea Zone to Borneo
            1 artillery moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from 44 Sea Zone to Celebes
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra
            2 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 5 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 5 Sea Zone to Siberia
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Japan to 20 Sea Zone
            2 bombers moved from Kwangsi to India
            1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 35 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 44 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 37 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            2 carriers moved from 37 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 37 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 37 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 37 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 37 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 37 Sea Zone to Sumatra
            1 infantry moved from Siam to Shan State
                  Japanese take Shan State from UK_Pacific
            1 infantry moved from French Indo China to Yunnan
            2 artilleries, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Kweichow to Yunnan
            6 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            5 infantry moved from Chahar to Suiyuyan

Combat - Japanese
            Strategic bombing raid in India
                Bombing raid in India rolls: 7,3 and causes: 10 damage to unit: factory_major
                Bombing raid in India causes 10 damage total.
            Battle in Borneo
            Battle in Celebes
            Battle in 39 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
                British defend with 1 destroyer
                Japanese win, taking Borneo from UK_Pacific, taking Celebes from Dutch, taking 39 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
            Battle in Suiyuyan
                Japanese attack with 5 infantry
                Chinese defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Suiyuyan from Chinese with 5 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
            Battle in 20 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 destroyer and 1 tactical_bomber
                Americans defend with 1 submarine
                Japanese win with 1 destroyer and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Americans: 1 submarine
            Battle in Sumatra
                Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                British defend with 2 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Sumatra from UK_Pacific with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for British: 2 infantry
            Battle in Siberia
            Battle in 45 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 tactical_bomber
                ANZAC defend with 1 transport
                Japanese win, taking Siberia from Russians with 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for ANZAC: 1 transport
            Battle in 16 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
                Americans defend with 1 submarine
                Japanese win with 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Americans: 1 submarine
            Battle in Yunnan
                Japanese attack with 2 artilleries, 6 fighters, 4 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 3 tactical_bombers
                Chinese defend with 3 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Yunnan from Chinese with 2 artilleries, 6 fighters, 3 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Chinese: 3 infantry
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Japanese
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 20 Sea Zone to Okinawa
            2 transports moved from 37 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Sumatra to 41 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 39 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 45 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 16 Sea Zone to Japan
            6 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi
            1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Kwangtung to Kwangsi
            1 infantry moved from Chahar to Jehol
            2 bombers moved from India to Kwangsi

Place Units - Japanese
            3 armour placed in Kiangsu
            1 factory_minor placed in French Indo China
            2 destroyers placed in 6 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Japanese
            Japanese collect 47 PUs; end with 47 PUs total

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You should have gotten a bunch of MARTI emails to go along with that J3.

It went better than I was hoping - no lucky one-off defense rolls against Japan except the expected casualty in Yunnan.  As always, I’m curious to know what you would have done differently and why to help me learn.  :)

@ShadowHAwk:

And why did you not attack manchuria iso the russian zone above it?
Its worth 3 iso just 1.

Well, I figured I should start the march west with Japan, so wanted to make landfall up there, and if I took Manchuria, you’d take it back and I’d be down another infantry or two - and my Japan planes couldn’t reach Manchuria and make it home, where I was trying to leave three planes in scramble range.

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 3

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 1 armour and 3 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 3 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            1 armour moved from Eastern Poland to Western Ukraine
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Romania to Western Ukraine

Combat - Italians
            Battle in Western Ukraine
                Italians attack with 2 armour and 1 mech_infantry
                Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Italians win, taking Western Ukraine from Russians with 2 armour and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Italians
            1 armour moved from Syria to Iraq
                  Italians take Iraq from Neutral_Axis
            3 infantry moved from Syria to Iraq
            2 transports moved from 99 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Tobruk to 96 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 96 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 96 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from 97 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
            1 artillery moved from Southern France to Northern Italy
            1 mech_infantry moved from Northern Italy to Romania
            1 battleship moved from 99 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            2 cruisers moved from 99 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 99 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone

Place Units - Italians
            1 armour and 3 mech_infantrys placed in Northern Italy

Turn Complete - Italians
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 93 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,2
            Italians collect 19 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 22 PUs total
            Objective Italians 4 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Italians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 24 PUs

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@ShadowHAwk:

@Dashofpepper:

@ShadowHAwk:

And why did you not attack manchuria iso the russian zone above it?
Its worth 3 iso just 1.

Well, I figured I should start the march west with Japan, so wanted to make landfall up there, and if I took Manchuria, you’d take it back and I’d be down another infantry or two - and my Japan planes couldn’t reach Manchuria and make it home, where I was trying to leave three planes in scramble range.

You asked me what i would have done different, well that i would have taken machuria back before the chinese would get the money or could reinforce it ( yes i could have 4 chinese dudes there now ) just 2 inf 2 bombers vs 1 inf should be enough.
hit the the UK in borneo, and burma so they are no longer a factor.
And take yunnan like you did so that china also is nearly gone.

I didn’t even think of trying for Burma and Yunnan both.  Were the odds in favor of the attacker?

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 4

Research Technology - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 6 armour, 1 destroyer and 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            2 infantry moved from Norway to Finland
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 114 Sea Zone to Finland
            7 infantry moved from Karelia to Novgorod
                  Germans take Novgorod from Russians
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Poland to Baltic States
            2 fighters moved from Western Germany to Baltic States
            1 submarine moved from 125 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
            2 bombers moved from Syria to Ukraine
            3 tactical_bombers moved from Syria to Ukraine
            3 fighters moved from Syria to Ukraine
            1 mech_infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Ukraine
            1 mech_infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Ukraine
            1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 2 submarines and 1 transport moved from 114 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone

Combat - Germans
            Battle in Finland
                Germans attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Russians defend with 1 armour
                Germans win, taking Finland from Russians with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 1 armour
            Battle in Ukraine
                Germans attack with 2 bombers, 3 fighters, 2 mech_infantrys and 3 tactical_bombers
                Russians defend with 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor and 2 infantry
                Germans win, taking Ukraine from Russians with 2 bombers, 3 fighters, 1 mech_infantry and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Germans: 1 mech_infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 1 artillery and 2 infantry
            Battle in Baltic States
                Germans attack with 2 fighters and 2 mech_infantrys
                Russians defend with 2 infantry
                Germans win, taking Baltic States from Russians with 2 fighters and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
                Casualties for Germans: 1 mech_infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry

Non Combat Move - Germans
            11 armour, 5 artilleries and 23 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Western Ukraine
            4 mech_infantrys moved from Poland to Western Ukraine
            2 bombers, 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Ukraine to Western Ukraine
            2 fighters moved from Baltic States to Western Ukraine
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Finland to Karelia
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Western Germany to 113 Sea Zone
            9 armour and 4 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Eastern Poland
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 113 Sea Zone to Norway
            1 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Romania

Place Units - Germans
            2 infantry placed in France
            6 armour placed in Germany
            1 destroyer placed in 113 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Germans
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 0
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 125 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,4
            Germans collect 47 PUs; end with 47 PUs total
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 52 PUs
            Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 57 PUs

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