Dashofpepper(Axis) vs Shadowhawk(Allies)

Your UK1 was a doozy.  I spent quite a bit of time trying to figure out what to do.  You know my playbook and what I’m trying to do for the first two turns, and quite effectively countered that.

-My Italian fleet is supposed to kill the French fleet, but leaving my transports unprotected while they do that would have cost my my transports.
-You blocked my retreat from Africa with that destroyer, so I have to move a zone.
-I couldn’t go after the destroyer with my fleet because your fleet could take my fleet.
-Ideally, I would have moved my transports with my fleet into SZ93 so they’d have fleet protection while I dealt with the French, but again - you’re there and I can’t win.
-I was looking at a Syria invasion (also from my guide) but you have force projection with your fleet to annihilate me at 86%. 
-I mathed out trying to take Egypt next turn or this turn, but even if I took Alexandria, you had the odds to retake it with your Egyptian force, and again…losing my transports would make me unable to evacuate Africa or invade the middle east.

The only thing I could think of to do was to turtle my fleet with a scramble, which effectively also neuters me unless I’m willing to build a fleet and not spend those IPCs supporting the Russian front, and take a stab at trying to kill something - subs are useless on the defense, so I went for using my sub as an ablative wound to protect my fighters and risk the loss of a maybe a fighter (but hopefully not) to prevent those French ships from joining the UK ships to make an insurmountable Gibraltar fleet.

I don’t want my transports to die unused, and you can’t invade Italy yet, so I deviated from the G2 strafe on Greece to do an I1 invasion…so if nothing else, they at least did something before they die.

@Colt45:

An option is to take Algeria I1, sink French fleet, then German air can land there after hitting SZ 92 plus that one sub can reach. ALternatively, could try to do as much damage as possible to to 92 using italians while also doing algeria landing but wouldnt recommend it. Should be able to protect TTs while still smashing french SZ(unless he doesnt scramble from Gibraltar but that allows fewer german plane casualties).

I would have to put transports into SZ94 to land in Algeria, and with the UK having a carrier, two planes, two cruisers, and three more planes in Gibraltar…even my intact Italian fleet would die when the UK hit it on UK2, which makes the transports a guaranteed loss though right?  Unless I’m missing something there?

And I’m assuming that during F1, that french fleet would join the UK fleet in SZ92 if I hadn’t killed it.  Or are you saying that an option is to land in Algeria and sacrifice the two transports as a one and done move?

I’m hesitant to push up the coast to Morocco because I’ve read a lot on here that all that really does is give the US free IPCs when they invade Africa.

@Colt45:

@Dashofpepper:

@Colt45:

An option is to take Algeria I1, sink French fleet, then German air can land there after hitting SZ 92 plus that one sub can reach. ALternatively, could try to do as much damage as possible to to 92 using italians while also doing algeria landing but wouldnt recommend it. Should be able to protect TTs while still smashing french SZ(unless he doesnt scramble from Gibraltar but that allows fewer german plane casualties).

I would have to put transports into SZ94 to land in Algeria, and with the UK having a carrier, two planes, two cruisers, and three more planes in Gibraltar…even my intact Italian fleet would die when the UK hit it on UK2, which makes the transports a guaranteed loss though right?  Unless I’m missing something there?

And I’m assuming that during F1, that french fleet would join the UK fleet in SZ92 if I hadn’t killed it.  Or are you saying that an option is to land in Algeria and sacrifice the two transports as a one and done move?

I’m hesitant to push up the coast to Morocco because I’ve read a lot on here that all that really does is give the US free IPCs when they invade Africa.

You are missing things. Turn order, perhaps? 93 fleet is sank before F1 and UK fleet is sank before UK2. The only way he could sink ur trans is with a dd and tac, if i remember your match correctly. I1 figs, bomber, sub, BB sinks 93; cruisers, destroyer protects transports off Algeria.
Visualizing it now?

Oh ! We’re talking about different games.  I conceded that game on G3 because I’d literally screwed up everything that could be screwed up and we started over.  I just finished I1 and was commenting on my options - which are all tough.  Scroll up and take a peek - I’d be very interested to know what you would have done in my shoes.

@Colt45:

sorry if im nosing in, shadow, but Dash is eager for help so PMd me and asked to show.

combat-wise, this is what i would have done. My purchase would have been a transport.

Landing 2 planes on carrier was short-sighted. You can protect that SZ without carrier figs with the triple scramble. With what i did, I have 92 percent vs max scramble at 92 and 100 percent if you had kept fig and tac in western germany. He can skip the scramble now and sink SZ94 transports. I could’ve went lighter in Algeria by sending one transport adding bomber, and keeping 1 trans alive, ending turn(after placement) with 2 for I2(double scramble protects against 2 UK destroyers). But if French defending inf hits, he could attack with 2 inf, vs one tank, but I could’ve attacked Tunisia too so then its 1 inf vs 1 tank.

Get it now?

Alright, I understand now - Algeria in I1 creates a landing zone for German air force in G2 to clear out the Med with that kind of fleet.  Would you actually do that though?

Germany is supposed to be advancing through Russia on G3, using Italian taken ground to consolidate the armies and keeping the air force with the infantry and tanks.  Attacking the med on G2 (assuming Taranto I suppose) lets the Luftwaffe return to Italy’s airbase to get to the G3 offensive, but pushing south into Africa takes them two turns out of it and opens up the German army to a counterattack with none of those 3s and 4s rolling in defense.

Also, I saw that you attacked Alexander, which I didn’t; assuming that I didn’t lose an infantry in my attack, I think the counter-attack from Egypt had an 86% or something success rate - which would kick Italy out of Africa - and UK could reinforce through the Suez Canal or the Middle east.

@ShadowHAwk:

@ShadowHAwk:

@Colt45:

sorry if im nosing in, shadow, but Dash is eager for help so PMd me and asked to show.

combat-wise, this is what i would have done. My purchase would have been a transport.

Landing 2 planes on carrier was short-sighted. You can protect that SZ without carrier figs with the triple scramble. With what i did, I have 92 percent vs max scramble at 92 and 100 percent if you had kept fig and tac in western germany. He can skip the scramble now and sink SZ94 transports. I could’ve went lighter in Algeria by sending one transport adding bomber, and keeping 1 trans alive, ending turn(after placement) with 2 for I2(double scramble protects against 2 UK destroyers). But if French defending inf hits, he could attack with 2 inf, vs one tank, but I could’ve attacked Tunisia too so then its 1 inf vs 1 tank.

Get it now?

Yes i know he wants to know how to beat his buddy but he is following a guide.
As long as you dont help him before he does the moves.

Aha im playing colt now as well :) didnt see you where actualy telling him what moves to make.
He was asking me as well what he should do, which i dont reply to ofcourse im not going to play myself :)

Hey now…I haven’t asked you what to do.  I have asked you what you would have done instead of what I did, and why - because that’s how you learn; you find out what other people would do in the same situation you were in and how it would have been different.

Thus I keep asking about what you would do in G1 against Holland to prevent a French incursion (but I think that probably involves a tactical bomber landing in Holland instead of on an Aircraft Carrier, because you probably don’t purchase the carrier). and stuff.  I’m always asking about previous turns and for you to be critical of my actions.

Don’t be afraid to call me dumb - I won’t take offense.  I’m here to get my mistakes pointed out.

Shadow, I’m going to bomb Britain - do you want to scramble the French fighter?

No problem - I’d dual-game if I could too. =D

Do you want to Scramble the french fighter in Britain against the 2x German Bombers coming to hit your factory?

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 2

Research Technology - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 8 armour and 8 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 2 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            1 unit repaired.
            1 artillery moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 artillery moved from France to Holland Belgium
            1 infantry moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 infantry moved from France to Holland Belgium
            1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
            1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Italy to Normandy Bordeaux
            2 bombers moved from Western Germany to United Kingdom

triplea_40746_Ger2.tsvg

Shadow -

Apologies if you were waiting on me to post that.  There’s my G2 combat moves; invading Normandy, Holland, and bombing Britain.  Your scramble option!

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 2

Research Technology - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 8 armour and 8 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 2 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            1 unit repaired.
            1 artillery moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 artillery moved from France to Holland Belgium
            1 infantry moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 infantry moved from France to Holland Belgium
            1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
            1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Italy to Normandy Bordeaux
            2 bombers moved from Western Germany to United Kingdom

Combat - Germans
            Air Battle in United Kingdom
                Germans attacks with 2 units heading to United Kingdom
                Air Battle is over, the remaining bombers go on to their targets
            Strategic bombing raid in United Kingdom
                Bombing raid in United Kingdom rolls: 7,5 and causes: 12 damage to unit: factory_major
                Bombing raid in United Kingdom causes 12 damage total.
            Battle in Holland Belgium
                Germans attack with 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 1 infantry
                French defend with 1 infantry
                Germans win, taking Holland Belgium from French with 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for French: 1 infantry
            Battle in Normandy Bordeaux
                Germans attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                French defend with 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour
                Germans win, taking Normandy Bordeaux from French with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for French: 1 artillery
            Cleaning up after air battles

Non Combat Move - Germans
            2 bombers moved from United Kingdom to Western Germany
            2 fighters moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany
            1 fighter moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Western Germany
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Western Germany
            1 fighter moved from Tobruk to Western Germany
            3 armour, 2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Romania
            5 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Romania
            1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 fighter, 2 submarines, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport moved from 112 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone

Place Units - Germans
            8 armour and 2 mech_infantrys placed in Germany
            6 mech_infantrys placed in Western Germany

Turn Complete - Germans
            Germans collect 41 PUs; end with 43 PUs total
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 48 PUs
            Objective Germans 1 Trade with Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 53 PUs

triplea_40746_Ger2.tsvg

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 2

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 2 destroyers, 1 factory_minor and 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 1 PUs;

Politics - Japanese
            Japanese takes Political Action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Japanese and Americans from Neutrality to War
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Japanese and British from Neutrality to War
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Japanese and UK_Pacific from Neutrality to War
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Japanese and ANZAC from Neutrality to War
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Japanese and Dutch from Neutrality to War
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Japanese and French from Neutrality to War
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Germans and Americans from Neutrality to War
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Italians and Americans from Neutrality to War
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Chinese and Americans from Neutrality to Allied
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Chinese and British from Neutrality to Allied
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Chinese and UK_Pacific from Concordant to Allied
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Chinese and French from Neutrality to Allied
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Chinese and ANZAC from Neutrality to Allied
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Chinese and Dutch from Neutrality to Friendly
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for British and Americans from Neutrality to Allied
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for UK_Pacific and Americans from Neutrality to Allied
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for ANZAC and Americans from Neutrality to Allied
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Americans and French from Neutrality to Allied
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Americans and Dutch from Neutrality to Friendly
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Americans and Neutral_Allies from Neutrality to Friendly_Neutral
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Americans and Neutral_Axis from Neutrality to Unfriendly_Neutral
            Trigger Russians Allied Americans 5: Changing Relationship for Russians and Americans from Neutrality to Allied

Combat Move - Japanese
            Trigger Japanese Unrestricted Movement: Setting movementRestrictionTerritories cleared  for rulesAttachment attached to Japanese
            3 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            3 artilleries, 3 infantry and 3 transports moved from 6 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            3 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from 35 Sea Zone to Philippines
            1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Kwangsi to 36 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from 36 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from 37 Sea Zone to Malaya
            1 carrier moved from 36 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 36 Sea Zone to Philippines
            1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 33 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 36 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 36 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 36 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 36 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            2 destroyers moved from 36 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 36 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 36 Sea Zone to Malaya
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 35 Sea Zone to Philippines
            1 fighter moved from 35 Sea Zone to Philippines
            3 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Kwangtung
            1 artillery moved from Kiangsi to Kwangtung
            1 infantry moved from Chahar to Hopei
                  Japanese take Hopei from Chinese
            4 infantry moved from Anhwe to Kweichow
            2 artilleries moved from Anhwe to Kweichow
            2 infantry moved from Hunan to Yunnan
            1 artillery moved from Hunan to Yunnan
            1 artillery moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            5 fighters moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            3 tactical_bombers moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            2 infantry moved from Siam to French Indo China
                  Japanese take French Indo China from French
            2 bombers moved from Kwangsi to India

Combat - Japanese
            Air Battle in India

triplea_40746_Jap2.tsvg