MOVED: D-DAY Question

@Lithiume3:

1. Does all sub start the game submerged? or it’s just a defensive move then after the fight the sub does the sub is getting out of the water and can be targeted by planes, by the next player who do attacks?

It’s a defensive move.  Subs submerge in combat, then resurface after noncombat movement on the same turn.

@Lithiume3:

2. The Wolf Packs Rule
Wolf packs of U-boats prowled the Atlantic, working together to down Allied convoys. The only sure thing
about a U-boat was that there always was another nearby.
If at least three of your submarines make a combat move into a single sea zone, they attack on a 3 (4 if you
have the Super Submarines development). They may come from different sea zones, but they must attack the
same sea zone.

If you begin a fight at 3 U-boats you attack at 3, then if 1 U-boats is downed do you still attack @3 the reste of the fight or since there is less than 3 you downgrade the attack to normal.

They attack at 3 for the whole battle, even if some are destroyed.

@Lithiume3:

3.Island Bases
MacArthur’s forces built many airbases on the islands they conquered. From these bases, they could launch
attacks deeper into Japanese-held territory.
When moving your air units, you may treat island groups as part of the sea zones containing them.
For example, a fighter (move 4) could travel from Hawaii to the East Indies in one turn, assuming your side
controlled both island groups.

I have no idea what up with that… when we are moving over islands can fighter go around the island?? or it as to pass over it and if there’s a AA the AA attack?

If a plane is just passing through the sea zone en route somewhere else, it does not fly over the island.  This NA refers to taking off from and landing on islands.

@Lithiume3:

4. Does AA always attack if a aircraft flies over the AA ?

Yes.

@Lithiume3:

5.Can fighter attack Subs when they are on a Carrier that is been attack by subs? If not what happens to the jet if the carrier is sunk.

Yes, fighters can hit subs.  If the carrier is sunk, the fighters will be able to move one space to land after the battle.  Any land territory that was attacked this turn may not be landed in.  If no landing space is available, they will be lost.

@Lithiume3:

6.When bomber attack a complex; roll a dice 4 and under Attack successfull. Do we reroll a dice to know the IPC “damage”?

You don’t have to roll to hit when doing a strategic bombing raid.  You just roll one die for each surviving bomber and destroy that number of IPCs.

@Cmdr:

But this is AARe not LHTR.

Enhanced doesn’t alter the ability to move out of a contested sea zone as part of a combat movement.  Bean is correct.

Look at the Sequence of play as well.

Buy units
Combat movement
Resolve combat  <==  detection occurs here, AFTER combat movement.
non combat movement
etc

Hopefully you get the point.

Well if the play with three people is a  must D-Day and BOTB and Guadalcanal are out. D-Day as US and Brits and Axis but the Brits and US each move as the Allies. BOTB and Guadalcanal are straight up two player games.

I really like BOTB.

I have not played Guadalcanal yet but it seems like fun. D-day and BOTB have reinforcement charts but G’canal allows you to determine your own reinforcements more like the global or entire theatre games.

Frankly it is really apples and oranges s to me but I don’t think I could go back to Classic after Revised.

If you look to the articles or strategies sections from the main page you will find Saburo Sakai’s Pacific essays. Read those and if you are still leaning to Pacific or it seems like it might be boring quickly you will no whether to go with it or research one of the other games.

D-Day is fast. BOTB is a little longer but has combat and movement like none of the other games and the aspect of supply management is great. Too soon to be informative on G’Canal but it seems like logistics will be important if not more so than picking the right fights. These games are best as two player though.

Europe is, I think, closest to Revised and probably best for a three player game. Pacific is cool because of the Victory points and spending 70 or so IPCs every turn with the US and is also three player.

I don’t think you can go wrong with either Europe or Pacific if three player is important to you. Just my $0.02.  :-)

I agree, there’s not a lot of times you’d want to do that.  But I could see it in rare circumstances.  Usually transports, even unloaded ones (who leaves loaded transports out where they can be shot at?)

More fun is when someone forgets in AAR a submarine does not block enemy submarines and you sail under, sink his three aircraft carriers, submerge with your surviving submarines and watch his 6 fighters go sploosh in the Pacific Ocean.  It was a beautiful day.  He could have recovered easily, but the moral hit alone caused him to concede the game.  The best part is, submarines can’t shoot aircraft, so he HAD to take the carriers as casualties!

How often does that occur?  Like almost never!  Same with having a need to send fighters out to kill something and feinting at enemy ships to make the move “legal” even if you have no intention of ever recovering those fighters!

whoops.  fixed, thanks

Sankt is correct.  The SUB may still chose to leave the SZ in COMBAT movement phase of their upcoming turn.  However, if the SUB does not combat mvoe out, then Comabt will occur with the new fleet.

@ShadowHAwk:

Eh but 2 does not state it has to be a combat move. And since submarines threat hostile seazones as friendly the zone is effectively not a hostile zone and number 3 allows the movement. I would say Yes to question 3 based on this. Moving through a friendly seazone is not considered a combat move and the SZ not containing destroyers is effectively a friendly seazone for a sub.

Well, I’d be willing to advocate both views. As I quoted submarines treat hostile sea zones as friendly, but that statement is under “combat movement phase”. Looking under “ncm phase” this is not repeated, in fact, it states that NO sea units may move through hostile sea zones EXCEPT in the case of enemy submerged submarines.

Might be worth looking more into, but I assume mostly for theoretical interest.

thanks for you’re help
Paul