Dang, we have the worst time schedule. Always missing each other by an hour.
G40 Bal Mod Rommel (X) Colt (L) rematch no bid
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TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod, version: 2.1
Game History
Round: 1
Purchase Units - Americans
Americans buy 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 marine; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;Combat Move - Americans
Non Combat Move - Americans
1 fighter moved from Philippines to Guam
1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
1 artillery, 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 1 infantry, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
1 transport moved from 26 Sea Zone to 10 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from Western United States to Hawaiian Islands
1 bomber moved from Central United States to Western United StatesPlace Units - Americans
1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 marine placed in Eastern United States
1 destroyer placed in 10 Sea Zone
1 carrier placed in 101 Sea Zone
Americans undo move 2.
1 destroyer placed in 101 Sea ZoneTurn Complete - Americans
Americans collect 52 PUs; end with 53 PUs total -
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod, version: 2.1
Game History
Round: 1
Purchase Units - Chinese
Trigger Chinese Artillery Supplies: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Open
Chinese buy 2 artilleries and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;Combat Move - Chinese
Non Combat Move - Chinese
1 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Shensi
1 infantry moved from Kweichow to Hopei
1 infantry moved from Kweichow to ShensiPlace Units - Chinese
1 artillery placed in Szechwan
1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in ShensiTurn Complete - Chinese
Chinese collect 9 PUs; end with 10 PUs total
Objective Chinese 1 Burma Road: Chinese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 13 PUs -
TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod, version: 2.1
Game History
Round: 1
Combat Move - British
1 destroyer moved from 109 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from Scotland to 106 Sea Zone
1 cruiser moved from 91 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 98 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
1 artillery moved from Egypt to 98 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from Egypt to 98 Sea Zone
1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 98 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 96 Sea Zone to Tobruk
1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Alexandria to Tobruk
1 mech_infantry moved from Egypt to Tobruk
1 tactical_bomber moved from 98 Sea Zone to Tobruk
1 fighter moved from Malta to Tobruk
1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to 96 Sea Zone
2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to 97 Sea Zone
1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to 97 Sea Zone
1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from India to Iraq
1 artillery moved from India to 39 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from India to 39 Sea Zone
1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 39 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone
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My purchases are 2 fig, 2 mech for UK Europe and 1 sub, inf, art, mech India. Scram 97?
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I’l include Jpn edit now too
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Wow, I’ve never seen Taranto and Tobruk together. And adding amphib landing. I would have liked to put a Ger TB in S. Ita, but I didn’t want to risk Paris.
So no scramble in sz97. A 3rd plane would have made it a fair fight.
And using UK Pac units in the Mid East really forces Ger to move south. At least Ita doesn’t have to attack the Fra fleet. -
Will post in an hour
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TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod, version: 2.1
Game History
Round: 1
Purchase Units - British
British buy 2 fighters and 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
UK_Pacific buy 1 artillery, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;Combat Move - British
Turning on Edit Mode
EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 36 Sea Zone: 1 cruiser
EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 20 Sea Zone: 1 cruiser
EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
1 destroyer moved from 109 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from Scotland to 106 Sea Zone
1 cruiser moved from 91 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 98 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
1 artillery moved from Egypt to 98 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from Egypt to 98 Sea Zone
1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 98 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 96 Sea Zone to Tobruk
1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Alexandria to Tobruk
1 mech_infantry moved from Egypt to Tobruk
1 tactical_bomber moved from 98 Sea Zone to Tobruk
1 fighter moved from Malta to Tobruk
1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to 96 Sea Zone
2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to 97 Sea Zone
1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to 97 Sea Zone
1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from India to Iraq
1 artillery moved from India to 39 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from India to 39 Sea Zone
1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 39 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 80 Sea Zone to IraqCombat - British
Battle in 96 Sea Zone
British attack with 1 cruiser, 1 fighter and 1 transport
Italians defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport
British win with 1 cruiser, 1 fighter and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 15
Casualties for Italians: 1 destroyer and 1 transport
Battle in Tobruk
British attack with 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 3 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
Germans defend with 1 fighter; Italians defend with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
British win, taking Tobruk from Italians with 1 armour, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
Casualties for Germans: 1 fighter
Casualties for British: 2 artilleries, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
Casualties for Italians: 1 armour, 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
Battle in 97 Sea Zone
British attack with 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters
Italians defend with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 transport
British win, taking 97 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 31
Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
Casualties for Italians: 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 transport
Battle in 106 Sea Zone
British attack with 1 destroyer and 1 fighter
Germans defend with 1 submarine
British win, taking 106 Sea Zone from Germans with 1 destroyer and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine
Battle in Iraq
British attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
Neutral_Axis defend with 3 infantry
British win, taking Iraq from Neutral_Axis with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
Casualties for British: 1 infantry
Casualties for Neutral_Axis: 3 infantryNon Combat Move - British
1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Iraq to Trans-Jordan
1 battleship moved from 37 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
1 destroyer moved from 39 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
2 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to Rhodesia
1 destroyer moved from 71 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Egypt
1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Tobruk to Egypt
1 fighter moved from 96 Sea Zone to Malta
1 bomber moved from 97 Sea Zone to Malta
1 fighter moved from 106 Sea Zone to New Brunswick Nova Scotia
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Ontario to Quebec
1 aaGun and 2 infantry moved from Scotland to United Kingdom
1 transport moved from 109 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
3 infantry moved from Malaya to Shan State
3 aaGuns and 5 infantry moved from India to Burma
1 infantry moved from West India to Eastern Persia
British take Eastern Persia from Neutral_Allies
1 fighter moved from Burma to IndiaPlace Units - British
2 fighters placed in United Kingdom
2 mech_infantrys placed in Union of South AfricaTurn Complete - British
British collect 30 PUs; end with 30 PUs total
Objective British 4 Control Convoy Lanes: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 33 PUs
Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 36 PUsPlace Units - UK_Pacific
1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in India
1 submarine placed in 39 Sea ZoneTurn Complete - UK_Pacific
UK_Pacific collect 17 PUs; end with 17 PUs total
Units Change Ownership
Some Units in India change ownership: 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
Some Units in 39 Sea Zone change ownership: 1 submarine -
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod, version: 2.1
Game History
Round: 1
Purchase Units - Italians
Italians buy 1 fighter; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;Combat Move - Italians
2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to 95 Sea Zone
1 submarine moved from 95 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to 96 Sea Zone
1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to 96 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Libya to Tobruk
1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Ethiopia to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
Italians take Anglo Egyptian Sudan from British
1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 95 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
2 infantry moved from 92 Sea Zone to GibraltarCombat - Italians
Battle in Tobruk
Italians attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
British defend with 1 armour
Italians win, taking Tobruk from British with 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
Casualties for British: 1 armour
Battle in Gibraltar
Battle in 96 Sea Zone
Italians attack with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 1 submarine
British defend with 1 cruiser and 1 transport
Italians win, taking Gibraltar from British with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 19
Casualties for British: 1 cruiser and 1 transportNon Combat Move - Italians
Turning on Edit Mode
EDIT: Adding units owned by Italians to Tobruk: 1 infantry
EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
Turning on Edit Mode
EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
Turning on Edit Mode
EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
1 bomber and 2 fighters moved from 96 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
1 armour moved from Northern Italy to Albania
2 infantry moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy
1 artillery moved from Northern Italy to YugoslaviaPlace Units - Italians
Turning on Edit Mode
EDIT: Removing units owned by Italians from Northern Italy: 1 infantry
EDIT: Adding units owned by Italians to Yugoslavia: 1 infantry
EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
1 fighter placed in Southern ItalyTurn Complete - Italians
Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 0
Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,4,6,4,5
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Edit needed to change bomber had been grabbed by Malta instead of sz96 so had to exit game and the redo of Tobruk was diff than the first time.
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USSR looks correct.
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TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod, version: 2.1
Game History
Round: 1
Purchase Units - ANZAC
ANZAC buy 1 transport; Remaining resources: 3 PUs;Combat Move - ANZAC
Non Combat Move - ANZAC
2 fighters moved from New Zealand to Java
1 fighter moved from Queensland to 42 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from New South Wales to 62 Sea Zone
1 aaGun, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
ANZAC take Java from Dutch
1 destroyer moved from 62 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
1 cruiser moved from 63 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from Malaya to Shan StatePlace Units - ANZAC
1 transport placed in 62 Sea ZoneTurn Complete - ANZAC
ANZAC collect 14 PUs; end with 17 PUs totalTerritory Summary for ANZAC :
Shan State : 1 infantry
Queensland : 1 airfield, 1 artillery, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
New Zealand : 1 airfield, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
New South Wales : 1 aaGun, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
Java : 1 flag, 1 aaGun, 3 fighters and 1 infantry
42 Sea Zone : 1 destroyer and 1 transport
54 Sea Zone : 1 cruiser
62 Sea Zone : 1 transport
Egypt : 2 infantryProduction/PUs Summary :
Germans : 41 / 72
Russians : 37 / 37
Japanese : 29 / 41
Americans : 52 / 53
Chinese : 9 / 13
British : 29 / 36
UK_Pacific : 17 / 17
Italians : 11 / 11
ANZAC : 14 / 17
French : 13 / 0
Dutch : 7 / 0
Mongolians : 0 / 0
Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
Neutral_Allies : 6 / 0
Neutral_True : 18 / 0 -
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod, version: 2.1
Game History
Round: 1
Politics - French
Trigger Axis Conquer All France Algeria 3 Infantry Place: Neutral_Axis has 1 infantry placed in Algeria
Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 3 Infantry Place: Neutral_Axis has 1 infantry placed in Southern France
Trigger Axis Conquer All France Cruiser Place: Neutral_Axis has 1 cruiser placed in 93 Sea Zone
Trigger Axis Conquer All France Tunisia 3 Infantry Place: Neutral_Axis has 1 infantry placed in Tunisia
Trigger Axis Conquer All France Morocco 3 Infantry Place: Neutral_Axis has 1 infantry placed in Morocco
Trigger Axis Conquer All France Syria 3 Infantry Place: Neutral_Axis has 1 infantry placed in Syria
Trigger Axis Conquer All France Destroyer Place: Neutral_Axis has 1 destroyer placed in 93 Sea Zone
Trigger Axis Conquer All France French West Africa 3 Infantry Place: Neutral_Axis has 1 infantry placed in French West Africa
Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 3 Artillery Place: Neutral_Axis has 1 artillery placed in Southern France
Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 2 activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 3
Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 3: Neutral_Axis captures territory Southern France
Trigger Axis Conquer All France Algeria 3 Infantry Place activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Algeria 3 Infantry Remove
Trigger Axis Conquer All France Algeria 3 Infantry Remove: has removed 1 infantry owned by French in Algeria
Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 3 Infantry Place activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 3 Infantry Remove
Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 3 Infantry Remove: has removed 1 infantry owned by French in Southern France
Trigger Axis Conquer All France Algeria 2 activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Algeria 3
Trigger Axis Conquer All France Algeria 3: Neutral_Axis captures territory Algeria
Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Indo China 2 activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Indo China 3
Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Indo China 3: Neutral_Axis captures territory French Indo China
Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Madagascar 2 activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Madagascar 3
Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Madagascar 3: Neutral_Axis captures territory French Madagascar
Trigger Axis Conquer All France Cruiser Place activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Cruiser Remove
Trigger Axis Conquer All France Cruiser Remove: has removed 1 cruiser owned by French in 93 Sea Zone
Trigger Axis Conquer All France Tunisia 3 Infantry Place activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Tunisia 3 Infantry Remove
Trigger Axis Conquer All France Tunisia 3 Infantry Remove: has removed 1 infantry owned by French in Tunisia
Trigger Axis Conquer All France Tunisia 2 activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Tunisia 3
Trigger Axis Conquer All France Tunisia 3: Neutral_Axis captures territory Tunisia
Trigger Axis Conquer All France Morocco 3 Infantry Place activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Morocco 3 Infantry Remove
Trigger Axis Conquer All France Morocco 3 Infantry Remove: has removed 1 infantry owned by French in Morocco
Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Guiana 2 activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Guiana 3
Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Guiana 3: Neutral_Axis captures territory French Guiana
Trigger Axis Conquer All France Syria 3 Infantry Place activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Syria 3 Infantry Remove
Trigger Axis Conquer All France Syria 3 Infantry Remove: has removed 1 infantry owned by French in Syria
Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Central Africa 2 activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Central Africa 3
Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Central Africa 3: Neutral_Axis captures territory French Central Africa
Trigger Axis Conquer All France Syria 2 activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Syria 3
Trigger Axis Conquer All France Syria 3: Neutral_Axis captures territory Syria
Trigger Axis Conquer All France Destroyer Place activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Destroyer Remove
Trigger Axis Conquer All France Destroyer Remove: has removed 1 destroyer owned by French in 93 Sea Zone
Trigger Axis Conquer All France French West Africa 3 Infantry Place activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France French West Africa 3 Infantry Remove
Trigger Axis Conquer All France French West Africa 3 Infantry Remove: has removed 1 infantry owned by French in French West Africa
Trigger Axis Conquer All France French West Africa 2 activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France French West Africa 3
Trigger Axis Conquer All France French West Africa 3: Neutral_Axis captures territory French West Africa
Trigger Axis Conquer All France Morocco 2 activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Morocco 3
Trigger Axis Conquer All France Morocco 3: Neutral_Axis captures territory Morocco
Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 3 Artillery Place activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 3 Artillery Remove
Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 3 Artillery Remove: has removed 1 artillery owned by French in Southern FranceCombat Move - French
Non Combat Move - French
1 destroyer moved from 72 Sea Zone to 81 Sea ZoneTurn Complete - French
Territory Summary for French :
United Kingdom : 1 fighter and 2 infantry
81 Sea Zone : 1 destroyerProduction/PUs Summary :
Germans : 41 / 72
Russians : 37 / 37
Japanese : 29 / 41
Americans : 52 / 53
Chinese : 9 / 13
British : 29 / 36
UK_Pacific : 17 / 17
Italians : 11 / 11
ANZAC : 14 / 17
French : 1 / 0
Dutch : 7 / 0
Mongolians : 0 / 0
Neutral_Axis : 12 / 0
Neutral_Allies : 6 / 0
Neutral_True : 18 / 0 -
I assume Italy’s N Ital->Yugo edit is because you changed what soldiers you wanted to take Gib from N ital-> S Ital in combat move?
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Do you have any clue why UK Pacific didn’t get the bonus for no subs in western half of Indian Ocean? It doesn’t mention being at war with Japan for that objective.
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Same thing last game, so apparently it is in the N.O. but not in the electronic game notes. May be in the printed game manual.
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Yes, re: Ita inf, meant to take Gib with 1 S Ita, not all N. Ita.
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TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod, version: 2.1
Game History
Round: 2
Research Technology - Germans
Purchase Units - Germans
Germans buy 10 transports; Remaining resources: 2 PUs;Politics - Germans
Trigger Vichy France Has Occurred: Setting switch to false for conditionAttachment_French_Territory_May_Turn_Vichy_Switch attached to FrenchCombat Move - Germans
3 bombers, 4 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 97 Sea ZoneCombat - Germans
Battle in 97 Sea Zone
Germans attack with 3 bombers, 4 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers
British defend with 1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 2 fighters
Germans win with 3 bombers, 3 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 38
Casualties for Germans: 1 fighter
Casualties for British: 1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 2 fightersNon Combat Move - Germans
3 bombers, 3 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers moved from 97 Sea Zone to Western Germany
1 armour moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Western Germany
5 armour moved from France to Western Germany
1 tactical_bomber moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany
1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Holland Belgium
2 artilleries moved from Germany to Western Germany
5 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Romania
1 aaGun moved from Germany to Poland
1 aaGun moved from Germany to Slovakia Hungary
1 armour moved from Yugoslavia to Western Germany
6 infantry moved from Germany to Western Germany
3 infantry moved from Germany to Poland
2 armour moved from Yugoslavia to Slovakia Hungary
2 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Slovakia Hungary
4 mech_infantrys moved from France to Germany
1 submarine moved from 110 Sea Zone to 112 Sea ZonePlace Units - Germans
10 transports placed in 112 Sea ZoneTurn Complete - Germans
Germans collect 41 PUs; end with 43 PUs total
Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 48 PUs
Objective Germans 1 Trade with Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 53 PUs -
I didn’t ask for OOL in sz97, since Ger sank the entire Bri fleet on round 1, as expected. This will be my first Sea Lion attack. I didn’t strat bomb since my AA luck is terrible and losing a bomber and rolling low damage wouldn’t have been worth the loss of planes. Also, I would of had to escort with figs, with the Bal Mod die roll rule at 2 instead of 1. Once, in a pbem game I strat bombed Lon and gave max damage. But I wanted to take out the Bri fleet and do it in one die round to minimize loses.
I’ve never done Sea Lion before because not building land units for the first 2 turns would make Rus too strong in Europe 40. Global would be offset with Japan racing thru China. But Bal Mod will slow Japan down, so the Euro Axis will be hard pressed to invade Rus. -
I would have certainly strat bombed with a couple escorts and omitted 97 probably but this could work too.
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