16L BM2 Marshmellow of War (Allies) vs simon33 (Axis) Game II

Not only is the restriction on Russian movement into Korea clearly stated in the Game Notes, but it is also hardcoded into the XML; so the game itself actually prevents you from NCMing Russian units into Korea unless Russia is already at war with Japan.

Thats why you had to use edit mode to make your illegal move.

“Non Combat Move - Russians
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Korea: 8 infantry
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Amur: 12 infantry.”

I just loaded your game to confirm that the Game Notes do indeed disclose the Rule that you characterize as “unwritten.” Look at the Note in the “Russia” section.

“Note: An Axis power may not move its units into originally Russian territory unless that Axis power is at war with Russia. Also, when not at war with Japan, Russia may not move its units into any non-Russian Allied territory in Asia, other than Syria, Trans-Jordan, Iraq, Persia, NorthWest Persia, and East Persia.”

This isn’t really a close call.

no. i was browsing through some games and came across yours. thought i’d chime in.

The logic for the new restriction is clear: it prevents Russia from gaming the Lend Lease mechanic by putting its units in Japan’s path and forcing Japan to be the aggressor.

Similarly, BM fixes the gamey trick of allowing Germany to move its units into italy-occupied Russian territory while still enjoying “trade with Russia.”

@regularkid:

I just loaded your game to confirm that the Game Notes do indeed disclose the Rule that you characterize as “unwritten.” Look at the Note in the “Russia” section.

“Note: An Axis power may not move its units into originally Russian territory unless that Axis power is at war with Russia. Also, when not at war with Japan, Russia may not move its units into any non-Russian Allied territory in Asia, other than Syria, Trans-Jordan, Iraq, Persia, NorthWest Persia, and East Persia.”

This isn’t really a close call.

I’ll double check this when I return home. I don’t recall seeing it and I looked long and hard for it. I did find something that says Russia cannot move into China, but Korea is not China.

Marsh

@simon33:

Sounds a bit unfair that you want the benefits of the USSR DOW without the consequences. I’ll have a think about it.

If it’s in the Notes section and I’ve misread, that’s on me. If it’s not, then it’s a fair assumption that it plays like Global and it’s unfair to be deprived of a perfectly legal move in Global by an unwritten rule.

Yeah, and people sell bridges in New York too. If I don’t see it for myself, I don’t believe it.

Crow time! I found it. It took me 30 minutes of hard looking because it kind of hid from me, and I had to make the notes section really large on the screen to even find it at all, but it is there and missing it is my fault.

Please accept my sincere apology for the hubbub. Totally my fault.

@simon33:

I think the proposal to retrospectively have USSR DOW on Japan is eminnently fair. More than fair even.

Nah, we’ll do it the right way. I will not move the Russian troops in and take the loss of the artillery.

Expect a repost shortly.

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod, version: 2.0

Game History

Round: 9

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 1 armour, 2 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Russians
            3 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk
            1 artillery moved from Tambov to Bryansk
            1 infantry moved from Tambov to Bryansk

Combat - Russians
            Battle in Bryansk
                Russians attack with 1 artillery and 4 infantry
                Italians defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Russians win, taking Bryansk from Italians with 1 artillery and 4 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Italians: 1 artillery and 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Russians
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Korea: 8 infantry
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Amur: 12 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Buryatia: 4 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            1 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk
            5 infantry moved from Russia to Tambov
            1 submarine moved from 112 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            3 infantry moved from Amur to Buryatia
            1 infantry moved from Amur to Buryatia
            EDIT: Russians undo move 4.
            EDIT: Russians undo move 4.

Place Units - Russians
            1 armour, 2 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys placed in Russia

Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 14 PUs; end with 14 PUs total
            Trigger Russians 3 Siberia Lend Lease Lane: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 16 PUs
            Trigger Russians 2 Persia Lend Lease Lane: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 18 PUs
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Korea: 8 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Buryatia: 2 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Amur: 8 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

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Looks like I screwed up when I was editing the Russians and added two extra infantry. I will remove during the US turn.

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod, version: 2.0

Game History

Round: 9

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 2 artilleries, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 4 infantry, 1 submarine, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 4 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Amur: 2 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            1 bomber moved from Guam to Kwangtung
            1 bomber moved from Guam to Shantung
            1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters moved from 91 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            2 transports moved from 91 Sea Zone to 101 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 carrier, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 110 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone

Combat - Americans
            Americans creates battle in territory 6 Sea Zone
            Strategic bombing raid in Kwangtung
                Bombing raid in Kwangtung rolls: 8 and causes: 6 damage to unit: factory_minor
                Bombing raid in Kwangtung causes 6 damage total.
            Strategic bombing raid in Shantung
                Bombing raid in Shantung rolls: 5 and causes: 5 damage to unit: factory_minor
                Bombing raid in Shantung causes 5 damage total.
            Battle in 92 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber
                Germans defend with 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 transport
                Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Germans
                Americans win with 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 31
                Casualties for Germans: 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 transport
                Casualties for Americans: 2 carriers, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer

Non Combat Move - Americans
            3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 92 Sea Zone to Algeria
            1 destroyer moved from 110 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            4 transports moved from 110 Sea Zone to 102 Sea Zone
            1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Trans-Jordan to Northwest Persia
            1 artillery moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
            1 artillery moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
            1 bomber moved from Shantung to Amur
            1 bomber moved from Kwangtung to Amur
            2 submarines moved from 7 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Western United States to Midway
            1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
            2 destroyers and 1 submarine moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 7 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone

Place Units - Americans
            2 artilleries and 2 infantry placed in Eastern United States
            1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 1 transport placed in 10 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber placed in Norway
            Americans undo move 3.
            1 fighter and 2 infantry placed in Norway
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber placed in 10 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 57 PUs; end with 61 PUs total
            Trigger Americans 7 North Africa Beach Head: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 66 PUs
            Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 71 PUs
            Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 76 PUs
            Objective Americans 8 Pacific Airfields: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 81 PUs
            Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 91 PUs

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TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod, version: 2.0

Game History

Round: 9

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
            Chinese buy nothing; Remaining resources: 3 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 0 PUs; end with 3 PUs total

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TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod, version: 2.0

Game History

Round: 9

Purchase Units - British
            British buy 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 6 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            1 infantry moved from Morocco to 91 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Morocco to 91 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 96 Sea Zone to Malta
            1 artillery moved from 96 Sea Zone to Malta
            2 infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Caucasus
            1 fighter moved from Tambov to Caucasus
            1 bomber moved from Tambov to Volgograd
            2 fighters moved from Tambov to Volgograd
            2 fighters moved from Tambov to Caucasus
            2 fighters moved from Russia to Timguska
            1 fighter moved from Northwest Persia to 99 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to 99 Sea Zone

Combat - British
            Battle in Timguska
                British attack with 2 fighters
                Germans defend with 1 artillery
                British win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is -6
                Casualties for Germans: 1 artillery
                Casualties for British: 1 fighter
            Battle in Caucasus
                British attack with 3 fighters and 2 infantry
                Germans defend with 1 artillery
                British win, taking Caucasus from Germans with 3 fighters and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Germans: 1 artillery
            Battle in 99 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 bomber and 1 fighter
                Italians defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport
                British win with 1 bomber and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 15
                Casualties for Italians: 1 destroyer and 1 transport
            Strategic bombing raid in Volgograd
                Bombing raid in Volgograd rolls: 6 and causes: 6 damage to unit: factory_minor
                Bombing raid in Volgograd causes 6 damage total.
            Battle in Malta
                British attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Italians defend with 1 infantry
                British win, taking Malta from Italians with 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
            Battle in Volgograd
                British attack with 2 fighters
                Germans defend with 3 aaGuns, 9 armour, 14 artilleries, 1 factory_minor, 5 infantry, 11 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber
                Germans win with 3 aaGuns, 9 armour, 14 artilleries, 3 infantry, 11 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is -14
                Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
                Casualties for British: 2 fighters

Non Combat Move - British
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Tambov: 2 fighters
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Volgograd: 2 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to Tambov: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from 99 Sea Zone to Syria
            1 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Syria
            1 infantry moved from Iraq to Northwest Persia
            1 mech_infantry moved from Iraq to Northwest Persia
            1 fighter moved from Timguska to Yenisey
            3 fighters moved from Caucasus to Bryansk
            1 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Syria
            2 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Iraq
            3 armour moved from Egypt to Iraq
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Belgian Congo to Egypt
            1 transport moved from 72 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to 71 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 71 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 81 Sea Zone to Trans-Jordan
            1 infantry moved from Morocco to 91 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Morocco to 91 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 112 Sea Zone to Norway
            1 armour moved from 112 Sea Zone to Norway
            1 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 110 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 112 Sea Zone to Norway
            1 aaGun moved from 112 Sea Zone to Norway
            1 infantry moved from Algeria to Tunisia
            1 infantry moved from Algeria to Tunisia
            1 bomber moved from Volgograd to Russia

Place Units - British
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from Russia: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            3 infantry placed in Iraq
            1 carrier and 1 destroyer placed in 98 Sea Zone
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Syria: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to 98 Sea Zone: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            1 infantry placed in Egypt
            2 infantry placed in United Kingdom

Turn Complete - British
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 0
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 98 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,4
            British collect 41 PUs; end with 43 PUs total
            Trigger British 3 No Enemy Submarines: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 46 PUs

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific

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Had to edit out that Volgograd battle – those fighters were supposed to escort the bomber.

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod, version: 2.0

Game History

Round: 9

Purchase Units - ANZAC
            ANZAC buy 1 artillery and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 6 PUs;

Combat Move - ANZAC
            1 artillery moved from Paulau Island to 34 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Paulau Island to 34 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 34 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 35 Sea Zone to Philippines
            1 artillery moved from 35 Sea Zone to Philippines

Combat - ANZAC
            Battle in Philippines

Non Combat Move - ANZAC
            1 carrier and 2 destroyers moved from 62 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from Queensland to 54 Sea Zone

Place Units - ANZAC
            2 transports placed in 62 Sea Zone
            1 artillery placed in New South Wales

Turn Complete - ANZAC
            ANZAC collect 18 PUs; end with 24 PUs total
            Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 27 PUs
            Objective ANZAC 3 Pacific Supply Lines: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 30 PUs

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