Koalabär vs. Ozymandiac

@Koala:

I would like to roll this on the forum, simply to have better control over what happens.

I heard triplea is not so trustworthy concerning large naval battles  :roll:

A bit of additional explanation:

For example in triplea submarines shoot first even though they have no surprise strike (because of defending detroyers). The result is, that the defender has to choose casualties from the attacking submarines before the rest of the attacking units shoot. This is a real disadvantage for the defender. Normally the defender knows how many hits the attacker scored before choosing anything.

And I’m sure there are more things not really with the rulebook in triplea.

regards  :-)

@Ozymandiac:

My guess is that transports can indeed keep dying because of your subs. Basically, when you’re attacking force is down to subs only and my defending force is reduced to planes only, your subs will sink my transports.

Rulebook: “(…) transports can be chosen as casualties only if there are no other eligible units.”

Yes this should be correct. :-)

So in a way i have to keep one submarine alive (because if really want to kill the transports) and you one dd (because you want your planes to hit my submarines).

@Koala:

@Ozymandiac:

My guess is that transports can indeed keep dying because of your subs. Basically, when you’re attacking force is down to subs only and my defending force is reduced to planes only, your subs will sink my transports.

Rulebook: “(…) transports can be chosen as casualties only if there are no other eligible units.”

Yes this should be correct. :-)

So in a way i have to keep one submarine alive (because if really want to kill the transports) and you one dd (because you want your planes to hit my submarines).

Okay withdraw what I said (kind of), it’s a bit more complicated, because you can’t chose your planes as casualties from submarines even with a destroyer present. So it might not be enough to keep one dd alive.

Everything highly depends on what happens during the battle.

It is really quite a situation for headaches  :-D

@Ozymandiac:

This is really complex. It seems whichever route I take, my transports die.

1. You suggest keeping a destroyer of mine alive so I can hit your sub, but if I do that you will just finish of the fleet with your airforce - unless I’m really lucky.

2. If I sacrifice my 3 carriers + 2 destroyers I will keep high-pip units, hopefully mutually kill your airforce, and your remaining sub finishes of the fleet.

Meh. Only option 1 provides the option of survival. Best take it.

Bottomline: sacrifice 3 carriers + destroyer + cruiser.

I’ll dream about this battle tonight you b��t��d

okay we’ll see,

now the defender fires back:

3 US carrier + 2 UK destroyers (hit on 2; can hit everything):
Rolling 5:
(1, 3, 4, 4, 6)

1 US cruiser (hit on 3; can hit everything):
Rolling 1:
(6)

5 US fighters (hit on 4; can hit everything):
Rolling 5:
(1, 3, 3, 4, 6)

good luck  :-)

Defender scored 5 hits.

5 submarines going down

remaining:

Germany

1 submarines
1 cruiser
3 fighers
1 tac bomber
2 strat bomber

US and UK

5 US fighters
1 UK destroyer

7 US transports
3 UK transports

@Koala:

[…]

Germany

1 submarines
1 cruiser
3 fighers
1 tac bomber
2 strat bomber

[…]

2nd round:

attacker rolls

1 sub (hit on 2; only on ships):
Rolling 1:
(2)

1 cruiser, 3 fighters (hit on 3; on everything):
Rolling 4:
(2, 5, 5, 6)

1 tac, 2 strat (hit on 4; on everything):
Rolling 3:
(1, 6, 6)

@Koala:

2nd round:

attacker rolls

1 sub (hit on 2; only on ships):
Rolling 1:
(2)

1 cruiser, 3 fighters (hit on 3; on everything):
Rolling 4:
(2, 5, 5, 6)

1 tac, 2 strat (hit on 4; on everything):
Rolling 3:
(1, 6, 6)

3 hits this round, one on ships, rest wherever you want.
So this has to be the dd and 2 fighters I think

@Koala:

[…]
So this has to be the dd and 2 fighters I think

defender rolls second combat round:

1 UK destroyer:
Rolling 1:
(5)

5 US fighters:
Rolling 5:
(1, 2, 5, 5, 5)

@Koala:

[…]
defender rolls second combat round:

1 UK destroyer:
Rolling 1:
(5)

5 US fighters:
Rolling 5:
(1, 2, 5, 5, 5)

It seems, the dice are on the my side in this battle.

2 hits.
cruiser and 1 fighter go down

remaining:

Germany

1 submarines
2 fighers
1 tac bomber
2 strat bomber

US and UK

3 US fighters

7 US transports
3 UK transports

attacker round3:

1x submarine (hits on 2; has to go on a transport)
Rolling 1:
(2)

2x fighter (on 3; everywhere):
Rolling 2:
(2, 4)

1 tac, 2 strat (on 4; everywhere):
Rolling 3:
(2, 3, 4)

PS: If you have any doubts about something, feel free to express them and we find a way with rerolling or so. I’m doing this for the first time  :-)

okay, my luck continues (big time)

1 hit on a transport, 4 on the rest. So all your fighters and one transport is dead.

defender combat round 3:

3 US fighters on 4 (hit only my aircraft):
Rolling 3:
(2, 5, 6)

@Koala:

okay, my luck continues (big time)

1 hit on a transport, 4 on the rest. So all your fighters and one transport is dead.

defender combat round 3:

3 US fighters on 4 (hit only my aircraft):
Rolling 3:
(2, 5, 6)

1 hit for you (oh man)
goes to one strat

remaining:

Germany

1 submarines
2 fighers
1 tac bomber
1 strat bomber

US and UK

7 US transports
3 UK transports
-1 transport from round 3

which means all transports are dead, too.

one submarine, 2 fig, 1 tac and 1 strat  remaining

This was really above average for me!

In sum:

round1: pips: 36:33 |  hits: 8:5  |  expected hits: 6    : 5,5
round2: pips: 26:22 |  hits: 3:2  |  expected hits: 4,33 : 3,66
round3: pips: 20:12 |  hits: 5:1  |  expected hits: 3,33 : 2
round4: pips: 16:0

TUV:
germany start: 113 end: 49
UK+US  start: 196 end: 0

TUV swing in the end: +132

Again: I hope everything was correctly resolved, if you have any doubts, tell me.

The dice gods were with me  :roll:

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 11

Research Technology - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 2 fighters and 8 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            1 cruiser and 6 submarines moved from 110 Sea Zone to 105 Sea Zone
            3 fighters moved from Holland Belgium to 105 Sea Zone
            2 bombers moved from Western Germany to 105 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Holland Belgium to 105 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Slovakia Hungary to Poland
            1 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Poland

Combat - Germans
            Battle in Poland
                Germans attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Germans win, taking Poland from Russians with 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
                Turning on Edit Mode
                EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from 105 Sea Zone: 1 bomber, 1 cruiser, 1 fighter and 5 submarines
                EDIT: Removing units owned by British from 105 Sea Zone: 2 destroyers and 3 transports
                EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 105 Sea Zone: 3 carriers, 1 cruiser, 5 fighters and 7 transports
                EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Battle in 105 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber

Non Combat Move - Germans
            2 fighters moved from 105 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 105 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium
            1 bomber moved from 105 Sea Zone to Western Germany
            5 artilleries moved from Slovakia Hungary to Germany
            1 infantry moved from Germany to Slovakia Hungary
            1 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia
            3 artilleries moved from Western Germany to Northern Italy
            1 aaGun and 3 infantry moved from Western Germany to Germany
            1 mech_infantry moved from Greater Southern Germany to Holland Belgium
            1 mech_infantry moved from Greater Southern Germany to Holland Belgium
            5 armour and 9 mech_infantrys moved from Greater Southern Germany to Northern Italy
            3 infantry moved from Western Germany to Germany
            1 infantry moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium

Place Units - Germans
            3 infantry placed in Germany
            2 fighters and 5 infantry placed in Western Germany

Turn Complete - Germans
            Germans collect 33 PUs; end with 33 PUs total
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 38 PUs

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TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 11

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 1 armour, 7 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Japanese
            1 infantry moved from India to 39 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from India to 39 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from India to West India
            1 mech_infantry moved from India to West India
            1 mech_infantry moved from Hunan to Kiangsi
            1 mech_infantry moved from Yunnan to Szechwan
                  Japanese take Szechwan from Chinese
            1 mech_infantry moved from Yunnan to Anhwe
                  Japanese take Anhwe from Chinese
            1 submarine moved from 36 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 39 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
            1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 76 Sea Zone to Ethiopia
            1 bomber moved from French Indo China to Kiangsi
            1 bomber moved from French Indo China to Kiangsi
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to West India
            3 tactical_bombers moved from India to West India
            1 fighter moved from India to West India
            1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Manchuria to Amur
            1 armour moved from Sakha to Amur

Combat - Japanese
            Battle in West India
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 2 mech_infantrys and 4 tactical_bombers
                British defend with 1 mech_infantry
                Japanese win, taking West India from UK_Pacific with 1 fighter, 2 mech_infantrys and 4 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for British: 1 mech_infantry
            Battle in Ethiopia
            Battle in Kiangsi
                Japanese attack with 2 bombers and 1 mech_infantry
                Russians defend with 1 mech_infantry
                Japanese win, taking Ethiopia from British, taking Kiangsi from Chinese with 2 bombers and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Russians: 1 mech_infantry
            Battle in Amur
                Japanese attack with 2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys
                Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Amur from Russians with 2 armour and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -1
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 mech_infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Japanese
            1 fighter moved from Caroline Islands to Japan
            1 fighter moved from West India to India
            2 fighters moved from India to French Indo China
            2 bombers moved from Kiangsi to French Indo China
            1 mech_infantry moved from Malaya to French Indo China
            3 tactical_bombers moved from West India to French Indo China
            1 tactical_bomber moved from West India to India

Place Units - Japanese
            7 infantry placed in Japan
            1 mech_infantry placed in French Indo China
            1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys placed in India

Turn Complete - Japanese
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 23
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 37 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,1
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 20 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,3,4,4,3,6,1,1,6,5,4,5
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 19 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,4,2,3,6,4,5,4,1,3,4,1,4,1,2,4,5,5,2
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 6 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,1,4,5,3,6,1,1,3,1,2,4
            Japanese collect 25 PUs (23 lost to blockades); end with 26 PUs total
            Objective Japanese 3 Control Honolulu Or Sydney Or Calcutta Or Western United States: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 31 PUs

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