Odonis (Axis) vs Simon33 (Allies +18) G40L No tech

@Odonis:

Subs can’t hit subs. In fact, the engine would have taken it as an automatic casualty if it could. But even SS need DD to hit other SS. A crazy (if you ask me), but valid, rule in this game.

Checked this one. Seems you’re mistaken.

@Pac:

Each attacking submarine conducting a Surprise Strike rolls one
die. Attacking submarines that roll a “2” or less score a hit. After
the attacking player has rolled for all attacking submarines, the
defender chooses 1 sea unit (submarines can’t hit air units) for
each hit scored and moves it behind the casualty strip. (Note:
undamaged capital ships that are hit only once are not removed.)

And later:

Note: In both cases, attacking or defending, transports can be
chosen as casualties only if there are no other eligible units.
Submerged submarines can’t be chosen as casualties since they
have been removed from the battle.

So when it says “sea units” it is clearly not referring to surface warships

@simon33:

First hit to dent CV. Not too sure after that.

Although I did say this. Clearly not thinking very well here, so I guess you can hold be to it. Damn.

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 5

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
            1 submarine moved from 91 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to 93 Sea Zone
            3 fighters moved from Iceland to 125 Sea Zone

Combat - Americans
            Battle in 125 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 3 fighters
                Germans defend with 1 destroyer
                Americans win with 3 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Germans: 1 destroyer
            Battle in 93 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 bomber and 1 submarine
                Germans defend with 1 destroyer
                Americans win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
                Casualties for Germans: 1 destroyer
                Casualties for Americans: 1 submarine

Non Combat Move - Americans
            1 bomber moved from 93 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            3 fighters moved from 125 Sea Zone to Finland
            2 bombers moved from Eastern United States to United Kingdom
            1 destroyer moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 4 Sea Zone to 15 Sea Zone
            3 fighters moved from Midway to Hawaiian Islands
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 destroyer, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands

Place Units - Americans
            1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 2 transports placed in 101 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer and 1 submarine placed in 10 Sea Zone
            2 fighters placed in 101 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 50 PUs; end with 51 PUs total
            Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 56 PUs
            Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 61 PUs
            Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 71 PUs

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TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 5

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
            Chinese buy 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese
            1 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Hopei
                  Chinese take Hopei from Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Shensi
                  Chinese take Shensi from Japanese

Combat - Chinese

Non Combat Move - Chinese
            1 fighter moved from Suiyuyan to Sikang

Place Units - Chinese
            1 infantry placed in Sikang

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 6 PUs; end with 8 PUs total

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TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 5

Purchase Units - British
            British buy 1 armour, 1 destroyer, 1 infantry and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific buy 1 artillery, 1 destroyer and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            1 submarine moved from 92 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to 71 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 71 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 80 Sea Zone to Eastern Persia
            2 fighters moved from India to Eastern Persia
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from India to 39 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 39 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 43 Sea Zone to Borneo
            4 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Burma to Yunnan
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 39 Sea Zone to Yunnan
            1 destroyer moved from 41 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 41 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 41 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone

Combat - British
            Battle in Borneo
            Battle in Eastern Persia
                British attack with 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 1 infantry
                Italians defend with 1 armour
                British win, taking Borneo from Japanese, taking Eastern Persia from Italians with 1 artillery and 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 1 armour
            Battle in 37 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 destroyer
                Japanese defend with 1 transport
                British win, taking 37 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 destroyer remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 transport
            Battle in 98 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 submarine
                Italians defend with 1 transport
                British win, taking 98 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Italians: 1 transport
            Battle in Yunnan
                British attack with 4 artilleries, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Japanese defend with 1 armour
                British win, taking Yunnan from Japanese with 4 artilleries, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 armour
            Battle in 45 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 destroyer
                Japanese defend with 1 transport
                British win with 1 destroyer remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 transport

Non Combat Move - British
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to Burma
            2 fighters moved from Eastern Persia to India
            1 mech_infantry moved from Belgian Congo to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Rhodesia to Belgian Congo
            1 fighter moved from Scotland to Morocco
            1 submarine moved from 92 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone

Place Units - British
            1 transport placed in 71 Sea Zone
            1 armour and 1 infantry placed in Union of South Africa
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from 119 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to 109 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            1 destroyer placed in 109 Sea Zone
            1 transport placed in 106 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - British
            British collect 29 PUs; end with 29 PUs total

Place Units - UK_Pacific
            1 destroyer placed in 39 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in India

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific collect 16 PUs; end with 16 PUs total
            Units Change Ownership
                Some Units in India change ownership: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Some Units in 39 Sea Zone change ownership: 1 destroyer

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@Odonis:

Ok, so I’ve reviewed the rules and you’re correct - subs can fight other subs even without DDs.

Now, for the moves, you’re also right since you asked me t take the CV as first hit and I did, then that set us along the path of the SS not being relevant to the battle after round 1 since my cruiser didn’t hit.

can’t see many ways to adjust this, but open to suggestions.

I reckon we just press on as is.

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 5

Purchase Units - ANZAC
            ANZAC buy 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 4 PUs;

Combat Move - ANZAC
            1 infantry moved from Northern Territory to 55 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 55 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Java to 42 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 42 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 37 Sea Zone to Malaya
            1 fighter moved from Java to Malaya
            1 cruiser moved from 44 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone

Combat - ANZAC
            Battle in Malaya
                ANZAC attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                ANZAC win, taking Malaya from Japanese with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - ANZAC
            1 fighter moved from Malaya to Shan State
            2 fighters moved from Celebes to Shan State
            1 fighter moved from New South Wales to New Guinea
            2 destroyers moved from 62 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 54 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Queensland to New South Wales
            1 infantry moved from Queensland to Northern Territory
            2 destroyers moved from 54 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone

Place Units - ANZAC
            1 transport placed in 62 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 bomber placed in New South Wales

Turn Complete - ANZAC
            ANZAC collect 17 PUs; end with 21 PUs total
            Trigger ANZAC 1 Control Original And Malaya: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 26 PUs

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TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 5

Combat Move - French

Turn Complete - French

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TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 6

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 9 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Russians
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Finland to Vyborg
            1 infantry moved from Finland to Norway
                  Russians take Norway from Germans
            1 armour, 3 artilleries, 7 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Finland to Karelia
            3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Novosibirsk to Bryansk
            8 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk
            1 infantry moved from Vologda to Archangel
                  Russians take Archangel from Germans
            1 armour moved from Northwest Persia to Persia
                  Russians take Persia from Italians
            1 armour moved from Persia to Iraq
            2 infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Iraq

Combat - Russians
            Battle in Karelia
                Russians attack with 1 armour, 3 artilleries, 7 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                Germans defend with 1 infantry
                Russians win, taking Karelia from Germans with 1 armour, 3 artilleries, 6 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Battle in Bryansk
                Russians attack with 8 artilleries, 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Germans defend with 13 armour
                7 artilleries owned by the Russians retreated to Russia
                Germans win with 8 armour remaining. Battle score for attacker is 20
                Casualties for Germans: 5 armour
                Casualties for Russians: 1 artillery and 2 infantry
            Battle in Iraq
                Russians attack with 1 armour and 2 infantry
                Germans defend with 1 tactical_bomber; Italians defend with 1 artillery
                Russians win, taking Iraq from Italians with 1 armour and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
                Casualties for Germans: 1 tactical_bomber
                Casualties for Italians: 1 artillery
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Battle in Vyborg
                Russians attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Germans defend with 1 infantry
                Germans win with no units remaining. Battle score for attacker is -4
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 1 artillery and 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Russians
            3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Bryansk to Russia
            1 infantry moved from Urals to Timguska
            3 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Central Mongolia

Place Units - Russians
            9 infantry placed in Russia

Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 25 PUs; end with 25 PUs total
            Trigger Russians 1 Lend Lease: Russians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 30 PUs
            Objective Russians 2 Spread Of Communism: Russians met a national objective for an additional 9 PUs; end with 39 PUs

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TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 6

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 3 artilleries, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 3 infantry and 3 transports; Remaining resources: 5 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
            1 submarine moved from 15 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            3 fighters moved from Hawaiian Islands to 16 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 26 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 17 Sea Zone to Iwo Jima
            1 submarine moved from 26 Sea Zone to 16 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 91 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Gibraltar to 95 Sea Zone
            2 bombers moved from United Kingdom to 95 Sea Zone

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Submerge Japanese sub in SZ6?

Scramble into SZ95?