Here’s the Armies vs Navies idea I came up with!
G40 Balance Mod - Feedback Thread
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So if UK take French Indo, declares war on Japan before USA is at war, and Japan takes back FI, the +10 is gone?
That doesn’t make any sense. The neutrality of FI was breached by UK, who then unilaterally declared war on Japan, so USA shouldn’t care if Japan takes a UK occupied FI.
I guess this is another example of BM creating illogicals that was not foreseen by the developers. Personally I think this is a minor one as at the end of the day the result is the same as in the vanilla game. You have Japanese forces in FIC. USA doesn’t care if UK declared war on Japan or not, USA does not like Japanese forces in FIC. Period. So really there is no difference compared to 2nd edition. But again the Vichy settings complicate things and makes things less logical.
A simple solution for this scenario could be that Vichy is only activated on the European map and FIC would stay French even after Vichy is activated. However, I am sure Regularkid will be against this for historic reasons……………And for Sicily, don’t do it. Why would you do that?
Actually removing FIC from the list of potential Vichy territories is a great idea, thanks.
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A neat and elegant solution.
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I also think making FIC unaffected by Vichy is a good call.
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Gamerman has it right:
Any land invasion from Sicily to Italy can be contested by the Axis as if it were an amphibious assault, whether or not an actual amphibious assault is being attempted along with such land invasion, i.e. any attack on SI is an amphibious assault unless from NI.
Easy~!
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Isn’t Italy weak enough already? Speaking from a game perspective. I don’t know the actual history. I hope this Sicily stuff goes no further than a house rule! :-o
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Actually removing FIC from the list of potential Vichy territories is a great idea, thanks.
There is no question that the administration of French Indo China passed to Vichy France after the German-Franco Armistice. Indeed, even as other French colonies in Asia went “Free French,” Indo China remained Vichy-controlled.
There is also no question that it was Japan’s invasion of Vichy French Indo China that precipitated the US Embargo of Japan. (Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_invasion_of_French_Indochina, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Events_leading_to_the_attack_on_Pearl_Harbor)
Also, there is nothing historically illogical about having the occupation of Vichy FIC terminate “Trade With America” (which is another way of saying , provoke the US Oil Embargo), even if UK occupies Vichy FIC first. Japan’s occupation of FIC was significant, from the USA’s perspective, because it marked the expansion of Japan’s territorial ambitions beyond China. FIC, with its airfields well positioned to threaten US Philippines, was seen as a bridge too far. I fail to see why UK intervention there would change USA’s position with respect to Japanese control of the territory.
Excluding FIC from the Vichy change would be grossly ahistorical and unecessary.
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Look at it from the game perspective rather than the historical accuracy perspective though - why should UK/USA/ANZAC get to take control of FIC if Japan doesn’t invade it first?
Or are you saying that does make game sense?
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Look at it from the game perspective rather than the historical accuracy perspective though - why should UK/USA/ANZAC get to take control of FIC if Japan doesn’t invade it first?
Or are you saying that does make game sense?
Yes, of course it makes sense. Why not? Its no different from Uk/USA/ANZAC taking control of any other Vichy French colony, which they do all over the map after the “German-Franco Armistice” is triggered (and which they did historically too).
As I understand it, the issue that was initially raised was not UK/USA/ANZAC’s control of FIC, in and of itself, but rather the fact that even after UK makes an unprovoked declaration of war on Japan and takes control of FIC, Japan can’t invade it without losing the “Trade With America” NO.
This wss actually something I raised early on in “Vichy Mod” development as something that might be seen as “unfair,” and we did consider adding a proviso to the “Trade With America” NO that occupation of FIC does not negate it if UK has taken it after making an unprovoked DOW on Japan. But the impact on gameplay was deemed so negligible that the Mod Squad ultimately omitted this qualifier for simplicity’s sake.
If this really is deemed a significant problem the correct solution, in my view, would be to add the qualifier, rather than to have FIC remain Free French, which, as I stated earlier, would be grossly ahistorical.
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I think the major thing with FIC going from French to Vichy to UK/ANZAC to Japan AND Japan loosing it USA bonus is, it becomes REALLY complicated and you add exceptions to general rules. Vichy rules are complicated enough as is.
It would simplify things by having Vichy only on European map and it would avoid situations that people consider unfair/don’t understand
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It wouldn’t be that complicated. Rule should simply read: “Japan loses USA Trade NO if at war with USA or if Japan occupies FIC while under French or Vichy French control.”
That’s all it needs to say. The rules preserves the NO if FIC is occupied by another power and then taken by Japan since Japan would not be taking FIC from France or Vichy France.
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sorry for this rather technical question, probably belonging elsewhere: Is it TripleA, the Mod, or one of my settings that I now have such quick defender rolls in combat? I cant remember having them follow so quick and automatic after my attack rolls, have barely time to register how often I hit.
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nm, I guess its “confirm defensive rolls”. I did overlook that when I first checked the settings.
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I thought JPN wasn’t supposed to be able to have convoy disruption on Chi? In a current game JPN dd’s (z19) blocked Chi from receiving their 3 pic’s for owning MAN?
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Some iterations of Triple A still do that from what I hear
It’s wrong
China can’t be convoyed
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I am playing 19003453 and it is doing that FYI….
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Yeah you need to watch out for it. I think China gets convoyed in all BM versions, while not in vanilla.
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just started playing balanced mod and haven’t played before that for over a year…but does it feel like Russia makes TOO much money now? like maybe one too many lend-lease NOs?
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I agree with you
And I’ll do you 1 better - the UK doesn’t need one of the NO’s in the Med (or both) and the USA has about 1 too many NO’s as well
I thought that before I ever played a balanced mod game, and I still think that now
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I agree with you
And I’ll do you 1 better - the UK doesn’t need one of the NO’s in the Med (or both) and the USA has about 1 too many NO’s as well
I thought that before I ever played a balanced mod game, and I still think that now
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Mod = God 8-)
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