16L Adam514 (Axis) vs PGMatt (Allies) Balanced Mod

@PGMatt:

i really really debated landing my UK bomber in south france to stop the vichy, but thought I had another turn to sort it out.  That really throws a wrench into the Allies now.
taking Normandy Bordeaux from French with 1 armour and 1 bomber remaining

Yup, though if Vichy isn’t activated on the first round it probably isn’t activated at all, since most of the reason to activate it are the french fleet and units and they can move.

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 2

Research Technology - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 3 armour, 1 fighter and 10 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Politics - Germans
            Trigger Vichy France Has Occurred: Setting switch to false for conditionAttachment_French_Territory_May_Turn_Vichy_Switch attached to French

Combat Move - Germans
            1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to 96 Sea Zone
            3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 97 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Western Germany to 88 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Western Germany to 97 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Holland Belgium to 97 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
            1 armour and 4 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Greece
            1 armour moved from Yugoslavia to Greece
            1 armour moved from Yugoslavia to Greece

Combat - Germans
            Battle in Greece
                Germans attack with 3 armour and 4 infantry
                Neutral_Allies defend with 4 infantry
                Germans win, taking Greece from Neutral_Allies with 3 armour remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Germans: 4 infantry
                Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 4 infantry
            Battle in 96 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 fighter
                British defend with 1 transport
                Germans win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for British: 1 transport
            Battle in 97 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 bomber, 4 fighters and 5 tactical_bombers
                British defend with 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters
                Germans win with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 5 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 36
                Casualties for Germans: 2 fighters
                Casualties for British: 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters
            Battle in 88 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 bomber
                British defend with 1 transport
                Germans win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for British: 1 transport

Non Combat Move - Germans
            Trigger Germans Occupies Southern France Army Disband: has removed 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry owned by Neutral_Axis in Southern France
            Trigger Germany Syria France Army Disband: has removed 1 infantry owned by Neutral_Axis in Syria
            Trigger Germany Occupies Tunisia Army Disband: has removed 1 infantry owned by Neutral_Axis in Tunisia
            Trigger Germany Occupies Algeria Army Disband: has removed 1 infantry owned by Neutral_Axis in Algeria
            Trigger Germans Occupies Southern France Fleet Scuddle: has removed 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer owned by Neutral_Axis in 93 Sea Zone
            Trigger Germany Occupies French West Africa Army Disband: has removed 1 infantry owned by Neutral_Axis in French West Africa
            Trigger Germany Occupies Southern France Facilities: Germans has 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour placed in Southern France
            1 fighter moved from 96 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            1 infantry moved from Western Germany to 112 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Norway to 112 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 112 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco
                  Germans take Morocco from Neutral_Axis
            1 bomber moved from 88 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 97 Sea Zone to Alexandria
            1 submarine moved from 106 Sea Zone to 121 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 111 Sea Zone to 124 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 97 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
            1 artillery moved from France to Southern France
                  Germans take Southern France from Neutral_Axis
            2 artilleries and 8 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Romania
            1 aaGun moved from Slovakia Hungary to Romania
            2 aaGuns, 3 artilleries and 12 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Poland
            3 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Germany to Poland
            6 armour and 4 mech_infantrys moved from France to Yugoslavia
            3 aaGuns moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany
            1 submarine moved from 112 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 97 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
            1 bomber moved from 97 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
            1 fighter moved from 97 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
            2 tactical_bombers moved from 97 Sea Zone to Western Germany

Place Units - Germans
            1 fighter and 3 mech_infantrys placed in Western Germany
            3 armour and 7 mech_infantrys placed in Germany

Turn Complete - Germans
            Germans collect 45 PUs; end with 45 PUs total
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 50 PUs
            Objective Germans 1 Trade with Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 55 PUs

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 2

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 1 destroyer, 1 factory_minor, 2 submarines and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Chahar to Hopei
                  Japanese take Hopei from Chinese
            1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Kweichow
                  Japanese take Kweichow from Chinese
            2 infantry moved from French Indo China to Yunnan
            3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            2 bombers moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Kwangtung to 20 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from 44 Sea Zone to Celebes
            1 armour moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone
            1 armour and 1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Paulau Island to 34 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 34 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
            1 infantry moved from Borneo to 43 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 43 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra
            1 marine moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser and 1 marine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone
            1 marine moved from 21 Sea Zone to Guam
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 35 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 43 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 35 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone

Combat - Japanese
            Battle in 37 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
                British defend with 1 destroyer
                Japanese win, taking 37 Sea Zone from UK_Pacific with 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
            Battle in 45 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 tactical_bomber
                ANZAC defend with 1 transport
                Japanese win with 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for ANZAC: 1 transport
            Battle in Guam
            Battle in Sumatra
            Battle in Java
            Battle in Celebes
            Battle in Yunnan
                Japanese attack with 2 bombers, 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers
                Chinese defend with 3 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Guam from Americans, taking Sumatra from Dutch, taking Java from Dutch, taking Celebes from Dutch, taking Yunnan from Chinese with 2 bombers, 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9
                Casualties for Chinese: 3 infantry

Non Combat Move - Japanese
            3 artilleries, 6 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Anhwe to Kweichow
            1 infantry moved from Kwangtung to Kwangsi
            2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries, 4 infantry and 3 transports moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to French Indo China
            1 carrier moved from 35 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 43 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 45 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 37 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 37 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 37 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 35 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 35 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 5 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 6 Sea Zone to 16 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Jehol to Chahar
            1 aaGun and 5 infantry moved from Jehol to Anhwe
            4 infantry moved from Manchuria to Jehol
            1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Kwangsi to Anhwe
            1 fighter moved from Yunnan to Anhwe
            2 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Yunnan to French Indo China
            2 bombers moved from Yunnan to French Indo China

Place Units - Japanese
            1 destroyer, 2 submarines and 1 transport placed in 6 Sea Zone
            1 factory_minor placed in French Indo China
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 42 Sea Zone: 1 battleship
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 6 Sea Zone: 1 battleship
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 16 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 6 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from French Indo China: 1 tactical_bomber
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to Japan: 1 tactical_bomber
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Turn Complete - Japanese
            Japanese collect 53 PUs; end with 54 PUs total
            Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 59 PUs

@PGMatt:

Am I reading the rule correctly that all pro-axis Vichy still count for the Italian NO even after the Axis broke the treaty?

My feedback on that is that breaking the treaty should change any pro-axis to pro-allied or even back to Free French.  From a purely game perspective, I don’t think having the fleet being sunk without a shot being fired, but giving Italy two NO’s effectively for taking Normandy is a bit much to stomach, especially considering that the Allies also lose 15 TUV in Inf.

I acknowledge that I could have landed a plane in south france and prevented some of the issues I’m seeing, but I dont think a game rule should functionally force a choice.

I didn’t mind the idea of the Axis losing the income from South France long term to not have to sink the French fleet and get the North Africa NO without allied intervention, but when I see on G2 incoming going to Germany, Italy collecting 2 NO’s without a shot being fired, and the loss of all the speed bump infantry I feel the rule might need some tweaking.

Yeah in this version pro-Axis territories do count towards Italy’s NOs, but we’ve since changed it so that only Southern France being Vichy counts for the NO. Axis need to control N Africa to get the NO, not it just being pro-Axis. I’ll edit off 5 from Italy if I get it without having control of all of territories to conform with the better version.

As Allies you would prefer not having those territories turn back to Free French in order to get some income out of them. Also, they stay pro-Axis to allow them to be blitzed by the Allies, and since the NO now requires actual control of the territories by Italy or Germany (or Japan), it doesn’t matter if they are pro-Axis or pro-Allies.

If you put at least 1 unit from UK or US for example in a territory that is about to turn Vichy, that territory stays Free French. It’s something to consider depending on the situation.

Yeah I agree with you which is why it was changed, thanks for the feedback!

Southern France being Italian or German also allows the NO of course, not it just being Vichy.

Yes of course, no worries.

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 2

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 1 transport; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Politics - Italians
            Italians takes Political Action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Italians and Russians from Neutrality to War
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and British from Neutrality to Allied
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and UK_Pacific from Neutrality to Allied
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and ANZAC from Neutrality to Allied
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and French from Neutrality to Allied
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Allies from Neutrality to Friendly_Neutral
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Axis from Neutrality to Unfriendly_Neutral
            Trigger Russians Allied Americans 3: Changing Relationship for Russians and Americans from Neutrality to Allied

Combat Move - Italians
            1 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Egypt
                  Italians take Egypt from British
            1 armour moved from Romania to Bessarabia
                  Italians take Bessarabia from Russians
            1 armour moved from Bessarabia to Eastern Poland
                  Italians take Eastern Poland from Russians

Combat - Italians

Non Combat Move - Italians
            1 infantry moved from Libya to Tunisia
                  Italians take Tunisia from Neutral_Axis
            1 transport moved from 92 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 95 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 95 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 94 Sea Zone to Algeria
                  Italians take Algeria from Neutral_Axis
            1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 mech_infantry moved from Alexandria to Egypt
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Egypt
            1 infantry moved from Kenya to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
            1 artillery moved from Tobruk to Alexandria
            1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to Gibraltar
            1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to Gibraltar
            1 cruiser moved from 92 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 92 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Greece
            1 artillery moved from Yugoslavia to Romania
            1 aaGun and 1 artillery moved from Yugoslavia to Northern Italy
            1 armour moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Northern Italy
            2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern France
            1 aaGun moved from Northern Italy to Southern France
            1 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Northern Italy
            1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Romania

Place Units - Italians
            1 transport placed in 97 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Italians
            Italians collect 19 PUs; end with 20 PUs total
            Objective Italians 3 North Africa: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 25 PUs
            Objective Italians 2 Roman Empire: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 30 PUs
            Objective Italians 1 Control The Mediterranean: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 35 PUs

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 3

Research Technology - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 1 carrier, 1 fighter, 2 infantry, 4 mech_infantrys and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Politics - Germans
            Germans takes Political Action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Germans and Russians from Neutrality to War

Combat Move - Germans
            1 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States
                  Germans take Baltic States from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia
                  Germans take Karelia from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Finland to Vyborg
                  Germans take Vyborg from Russians
            1 bomber moved from Gibraltar to British Guiana
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Alexandria to Trans-Jordan
            1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to Trans-Jordan
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Italy to Trans-Jordan

Combat - Germans
            Battle in Trans-Jordan
                Germans attack with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers
                British defend with 1 fighter and 1 infantry
                Germans win with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Germans: 1 fighter
                Casualties for British: 1 fighter and 1 infantry
            Battle in British Guiana
                Germans attack with 1 bomber
                British defend with 1 bomber
                Germans win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
                Casualties for British: 1 bomber

Non Combat Move - Germans
            1 bomber moved from British Guiana to Gibraltar
            3 infantry moved from Morocco to Algeria
            1 submarine moved from 124 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 110 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            2 aaGuns, 6 artilleries and 17 infantry moved from Poland to Eastern Poland
            3 armour and 7 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Eastern Poland
            2 infantry moved from Romania to Bulgaria
            1 aaGun, 2 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from Romania to Eastern Poland
            6 armour and 4 mech_infantrys moved from Yugoslavia to Eastern Poland
            1 armour moved from Greece to 97 Sea Zone
            2 armour moved from Greece to Romania
            1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to Gibraltar
            1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Trans-Jordan to Egypt
            1 bomber moved from Trans-Jordan to Egypt
            1 mech_infantry moved from Western Germany to Yugoslavia
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Italy to Gibraltar
            1 cruiser and 1 submarine moved from 112 Sea Zone to 126 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from Western Germany to Poland
            1 mech_infantry moved from Western Germany to Poland
            5 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia

Place Units - Germans
            1 carrier and 1 transport placed in 93 Sea Zone
            1 infantry placed in Southern France
            1 fighter and 1 infantry placed in Western Germany
            4 mech_infantrys placed in Germany
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from 126 Sea Zone: 1 cruiser and 1 submarine
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to 112 Sea Zone: 1 cruiser and 1 submarine
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Turn Complete - Germans
            Germans collect 47 PUs; end with 47 PUs total
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 52 PUs

@PGMatt:

I should have started after Christmas!  all I’m doing is making mistakes.

I suspect my game play will be eratic over the next couple weeks, I hope you have a good holiday and new year.

I hope you have a good holiday and new year as well.

You are aware of this: ‘‘When not at war with Japan, Russia may not move into Asian territory east of East-Persia, except for in Russia itself and Mongolia.’’?