2016 League General Discussion Thread

@max334

Max-LvAow(X+12)G-1.tsvg

Game History

Round: 1 Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Trigger Germans 6 Atlantic Wall Broken Switch: Setting switch to false for conditionAttachment_Germans_6_Atlantic_Wall_Possible_Switch attached to Germans Combat Move - Germans 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux 1 mech_infantry moved from Western Germany to Normandy Bordeaux 3 armour and 3 mech_infantrys moved from Austria to France 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Western Germany to France 2 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to France 1 fighter moved from Norway to 114 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from Germany to 114 Sea Zone 1 battleship moved from 116 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Germany to 114 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 127 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 121 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 120 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 111 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 111 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 106 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Germany to 113 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Holland Belgium to 113 Sea Zone 2 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 113 Sea Zone 2 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from Austria to Yugoslavia 1 armour and 2 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia 1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Romania to Yugoslavia 1 armour and 1 fighter moved from Poland to Yugoslavia Combat - Germans Battle in Yugoslavia Germans attack with 3 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 9 infantry Neutral_Allies defend with 5 infantry Germans win, taking Yugoslavia from Neutral_Allies with 3 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 9 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 15 Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 5 infantry Battle in Normandy Bordeaux Germans attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry French defend with 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry Germans win, taking Normandy Bordeaux from French with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for French: 1 artillery and 1 infantry Battle in 114 Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 2 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber British defend with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Germans Germans win with 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 31 Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine Casualties for British: 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer Battle in 109 Sea Zone Germans attack with 2 submarines British defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport Germans win, taking 109 Sea Zone from Neutral with 2 submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 14 Casualties for British: 1 destroyer and 1 transport Battle in 113 Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 bomber, 3 fighters, 2 submarines and 4 tactical_bombers British defend with 1 battleship and 1 cruiser; French defend with 1 cruiser Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British Germans win with 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 18 Casualties for Germans: 2 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber Casualties for French: 1 cruiser Casualties for British: 1 battleship and 1 cruiser Battle in France Germans attack with 5 armour, 2 artilleries, 6 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys British defend with 1 armour and 1 artillery; French defend with 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 factory_major, 1 fighter and 6 infantry Germans captures 19PUs while taking French capital Germans converts factory_major into different units Germans win, taking France from French with 5 armour and 4 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 27 Casualties for Germans: 2 artilleries and 6 infantry Casualties for French: 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 6 infantry Casualties for British: 1 armour and 1 artillery Trigger Germans Conquer France: Setting switch to true for conditionAttachment_French_1_Liberation_Switch attached to French triggerFrenchDestroyPUsGermans: Setting destroysPUs to true for playerAttachment attached to French Non Combat Move - Germans 1 cruiser and 1 transport moved from 117 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone 3 infantry moved from Norway to Finland Germans take Finland from Neutral_Axis 2 infantry moved from Denmark to 115 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 115 Sea Zone to Norway 1 aaGun, 3 artilleries and 11 infantry moved from Germany to Poland 1 infantry moved from Romania to Bulgaria Germans take Bulgaria from Neutral_Axis 1 fighter moved from Yugoslavia to Southern Italy 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 114 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from 114 Sea Zone to Western Germany 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from 113 Sea Zone to Western Germany 1 aaGun moved from Germany to Slovakia Hungary 1 aaGun moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux 1 aaGun moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium Place Units - Germans 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine placed in 115 Sea Zone Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from 114 Sea Zone: 1 submarine EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from 114 Sea Zone: 1 battleship EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to 115 Sea Zone: 1 battleship EDIT: Changing unit hit damage for these Germans owned units to: battleship = 1 EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 41 PUs; end with 60 PUs Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 65 PUs Objective Germans 1 Trade with Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 70 PUs

OK Harry, ich habe es so richtig verkackt. Wenn Deutschland sich in Runde 6 zurückziehen muss und Japan nicht gleichzeitig ein Riese ist, ist das Schicksal zwangsläufig.

Ein großer Fehler war der späte Angriff auf Russland mit der Folge, dass Deutschlands Einkommen zu lange viel zu gering war und gleichzeitig Russlands zu hoch. Und wenn dann noch Kill Germany First kommt, wird es schwierig. Viel Erfolg bei Deinen nächsten Partien - ich mache mal wieder eine Pause.

TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 5

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 5 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese buy 4 artilleries, 1 factory_minor, 10 infantry and 2 submarines; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; Combat Move - Japanese 1 infantry moved from Wake Island to 24 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 24 Sea Zone to 32 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Marshall Islands to 32 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 32 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 25 Sea Zone to Midway 1 infantry moved from Korea to Northern Manchuria 1 artillery moved from Southern Manchuria to Northern Manchuria 4 infantry moved from Southern Manchuria to Northern Manchuria 2 fighters moved from Japan to Northern Manchuria 1 tactical_bomber moved from Japan to Northern Manchuria 1 transport moved from 21 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from French Indo China to 37 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from French Indo China to 37 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 37 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 43 Sea Zone to Java 1 marine moved from Davao to 36 Sea Zone 1 cruiser and 1 marine moved from 36 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone 1 marine moved from 43 Sea Zone to Java 1 fighter moved from 36 Sea Zone to Java 1 tactical_bomber moved from 36 Sea Zone to Java 1 carrier moved from 36 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone 2 battleships and 1 cruiser moved from 36 Sea Zone to 56 Sea Zone 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 36 Sea Zone to 56 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from French Indo China to 56 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 36 Sea Zone to 56 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 36 Sea Zone to 56 Sea Zone 1 cruiser moved from 36 Sea Zone to 56 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 36 Sea Zone to 56 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from French Indo China to Yunnan 1 tactical_bomber moved from French Indo China to Yunnan 1 bomber moved from French Indo China to Shan State 1 tactical_bomber moved from French Indo China to Shan State 1 infantry moved from Malaya to Shan State 2 infantry moved from French Indo China to Yunnan 1 bomber moved from French Indo China to Northern Manchuria 1 fighter moved from Jehol to Northern Manchuria 2 tactical_bombers moved from Anhwe to Northern Manchuria 1 fighter moved from Anhwe to Northern Manchuria 1 infantry moved from Hopei to Tsinghai 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Hopei to Tsinghai Combat - Japanese Battle in 43 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 1 transport ANZAC defend with 1 transport 1 transport owned by the ANZAC lost in 43 Sea Zone Japanese win, taking 43 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for ANZAC: 1 transport Battle in Midway Battle in Java Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry, 1 marine and 1 tactical_bomber ANZAC defend with 2 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry, 1 marine and 1 tactical_bomber in Java, round 2 : 3/5 hits, 2.17 expected hits ANZAC roll dice for 2 infantry in Java, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Java 2 infantry owned by the ANZAC lost in Java Japanese win, taking Midway from Americans, taking Java from ANZAC with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 marine and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Casualties for ANZAC: 2 infantry Battle in 56 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 2 battleships, 2 cruisers, 3 destroyers, 4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber Americans defend with 1 submarine Japanese roll dice for 2 battleships, 2 cruisers, 3 destroyers, 4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 56 Sea Zone, round 2 : 6/12 hits, 6.00 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 56 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Americans lost in 56 Sea Zone Japanese win with 2 battleships, 2 cruisers, 3 destroyers, 4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Americans: 1 submarine Battle in Shan State Japanese attack with 1 bomber, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Americans defend with 1 bomber Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Shan State, round 2 : 3/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits UK_Pacific roll dice for 1 bomber in Shan State, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 bomber owned by the Americans lost in Shan State Japanese win, taking Shan State from UK_Pacific with 1 bomber, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12 Casualties for Americans: 1 bomber Battle in Tsinghai Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Chinese defend with 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Tsinghai, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Tsinghai, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Tsinghai Japanese win, taking Tsinghai from Chinese with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry Battle in Northern Manchuria Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 4 fighters, 5 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers Russians defend with 1 aaGun, 1 armour and 6 infantry Russians roll AA dice in Northern Manchuria : 0/3 hits, 0.50 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 4 fighters, 5 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers in Northern Manchuria, round 2 : 5/14 hits, 5.83 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 aaGun, 1 armour and 6 infantry in Northern Manchuria, round 2 : 2/7 hits, 2.50 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Northern Manchuria 4 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 aaGun owned by the Russians lost in Northern Manchuria Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 4 fighters, 3 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers in Northern Manchuria, round 3 : 7/12 hits, 5.50 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 armour and 2 infantry in Northern Manchuria, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Northern Manchuria 2 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 armour owned by the Russians lost in Northern Manchuria Japanese win, taking Northern Manchuria from Chinese with 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 4 fighters, 2 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 20 Casualties for Japanese: 3 infantry Casualties for Russians: 1 aaGun, 1 armour and 6 infantry Battle in Yunnan Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber British defend with 2 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Yunnan, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.50 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 2 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Yunnan 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Yunnan Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Yunnan, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Yunnan, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Yunnan 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Yunnan Japanese win with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry Casualties for British: 2 infantry Non Combat Move - Japanese 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to French Indo China 1 fighter moved from Yunnan to French Indo China 1 bomber moved from Shan State to French Indo China 1 tactical_bomber moved from Shan State to French Indo China 1 tactical_bomber moved from Java to 43 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Java to 43 Sea Zone 3 carriers moved from 36 Sea Zone to 56 Sea Zone 2 destroyers moved from 36 Sea Zone to 56 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 36 Sea Zone to 132 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Jehol to Chahar 1 artillery moved from Chahar to Shansi 1 infantry moved from Shansi to Honan 1 infantry moved from Jehol to Anhwe 1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hopei 1 armour moved from Hopei to Szechwan 1 mech_infantry moved from Honan to Szechwan 1 aaGun moved from Jehol to Shansi 1 aaGun moved from Jehol to Anhwe 1 bomber moved from Northern Manchuria to Southern Manchuria 1 aaGun moved from Southern Manchuria to Northern Manchuria 1 fighter moved from Northern Manchuria to Jehol 1 fighter moved from Northern Manchuria to Jehol 1 tactical_bomber moved from Northern Manchuria to Jehol 1 fighter moved from Northern Manchuria to Southern Manchuria 1 tactical_bomber moved from Northern Manchuria to Southern Manchuria 1 tactical_bomber moved from Northern Manchuria to Southern Manchuria 1 fighter moved from Northern Manchuria to Jehol 1 destroyer moved from 7 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 6 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone 1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 7 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Japan to 7 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 7 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 20 Sea Zone to Jehol 5 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone 1 aaGun moved from Kyushu to 6 Sea Zone 1 aaGun, 5 infantry and 3 transports moved from 6 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 1 aaGun and 5 infantry moved from 37 Sea Zone to French Indo China 1 infantry moved from Japan to Kyushu 1 submarine moved from 36 Sea Zone to 132 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Tsinghai to Hopei 1 tactical_bomber moved from Tsinghai to Hopei Place Units - Japanese 1 factory_minor placed in Shantung 3 artilleries placed in French Indo China 3 infantry placed in Malaya Japanese undo move 3. 1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Malaya 2 submarines placed in 7 Sea Zone 8 infantry placed in Japan Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 56 Sea Zone: 2 destroyers EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 37 Sea Zone: 2 destroyers EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 132 Sea Zone: 1 submarine EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 56 Sea Zone: 1 submarine EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 56 Sea Zone: 1 submarine EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 132 Sea Zone: 1 submarine EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 38 Sea Zone: 2 submarines EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 38 Sea Zone: 2 submarines EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 56 Sea Zone: 2 submarines EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from French Indo China: 1 aaGun EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Kyushu: 1 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to Kyushu: 1 aaGun EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to French Indo China: 1 infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turn Complete - Japanese Japanese collect 61 PUs; end with 61 PUs Objective Japanese 6 Home Islands: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 64 PUs Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 69 PUs Objective Japanese 5 Pacific Airfields: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 74 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : 0.00 Americans regular : -0.17 Japanese regular : 2.17 UK_Pacific regular : -0.17 ANZAC regular : 0.33 Russians AA : -0.50

Savegame

@nikola1975

I see no point in drawing this out. Nicely played

@mikawagunichi

42172-Mika-ITA-12.tsvg

Game History

Round: 12 Purchase Units - Italians Italians buy 1 armour, 1 artillery, 3 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Italians 1 infantry moved from Libya to Tobruk 1 bomber and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Italy to Tobruk 1 armour moved from Leningrad to Northern Belarus Italians take Northern Belarus from Russians 1 armour moved from Northern Belarus to Leningrad Combat - Italians Battle in Tobruk Italians attack with 1 bomber, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber British defend with 1 infantry Italians win, taking Tobruk from British with 1 bomber, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for British: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Italians 2 marines moved from Gibraltar to 93 Sea Zone 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters, 2 marines, 3 submarines, 1 tactical_bomber and 3 transports moved from 93 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from 97 Sea Zone to Southern Italy 1 tactical_bomber moved from Tobruk to 97 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Tobruk to Southern Italy 2 marines moved from 97 Sea Zone to Southern Italy 3 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Algeria to Morocco 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Libya to Tunisia 1 tactical_bomber moved from Algeria to Gibraltar 1 artillery moved from Northern Italy to Southern France 5 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia Place Units - Italians 1 armour, 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Northern Italy 1 transport placed in 97 Sea Zone Turn Complete - Italians Italians collect 17 PUs; end with 17 PUs Objective Italians 2 Roman Empire: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 22 PUs Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Italians from 97 Sea Zone: 1 submarine EDIT: Adding units owned by Italians to 94 Sea Zone: 1 submarine EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

A couple of considerations. I think J1 is really hard to do with the current set up, so that is probably something to consider for future games. It looks like a J1 will leave china for china (with the extra chinese set up power). I have not studied it carefully so I can be wrong

As for bids. Bids depend on so many things and I think maybe the game was not designed for online play with battle calculator? My friend and I never use bid when we play face to face. Instead we use beer and wine. In addition we dont use battle calculator either so all “calculations” are just a best guess. With these limitations it is very possible for the allies to win this game with the OOB set-up

@surfer hello I hope you had a great holiday season! I can’t commit to this at this time so I will concede. Congrats!