Oysteilo (Allies +24) vs Pherman1215 (Axis)

@Pherman1215:

I have issues with your USA turn.  First that I would not have lost a dd before a fighter in SZ 6 while you still had a submarine left.  The 2nd is why does the turn you posted show my DD hitting but you editing your USA bomber back on to UK?  You don’t get to roll a battle twice and pick which outcome you like best.Â

First of all I wont be able to post before sunday

Then to your issues. I did not see the need to reroll the bomber combat from the original turn. The SZ 6 battled had to be rerolled because your scramble was not selected. I believe the bomber combat was done before the sz 6 battle. But in any case loosing the bomber is no big deal if you think this is the way to go. I am fine with that, but I disagree with the statement that I roll twice and pick the best outcome. I have played with open cards and told you what is going on.

Then to the sz 6 battle. I think this is a little more tricky. I ask you for scramble and tokens. You answer that and if you wanted a spesific OOL you could have indicated that. In any case I pick what I think makes the most sense for you in the given situation. You have a carrier, a destroyer and 3 fighters. Total defending value of 16 so you easily score 3 hits in round 1, killing all my subs. When you only happen to score 2 hits I understand your frustration. But if you want to keep your destroyer then you will have to loose a fighter to my third hit

If you won’t accept the way the slection is done. We can reroll, but then I will insist that round 1 stands. I score 3 hits and you score 2 hits. You are left with 2 fighters and a destroyer. I have a sub, 2 fighers and a bomber. I don’t think this is a better battle for you than the actual battle fought. But in any case this can be resolved by forum dice. Let me know what you like to do!

@Pherman1215:

You can’t “insist” that round one stands.  By league rules I would be allowed to have the battle re rolled from the beginning since I wasn’t given the option to keep my dd.  It’s fine though, we can just play sz 6 as is.  The bomber still confuses me because you claim you “saw no reason” to re-roll the battle, but then you re-rolled the battle.  Â

I will take the bomber out. I can be wrong here. Please remove the bomber. I will also be carefull with giving you OOL in all future battles

If you are fine with this, remove the bomber from London and go ahead with Italy

Ok. So what happened was this:
1. I declared all battles for USA
2. I roll the bomber combat, 1 hit for USA, 0 for germany
3. I start sz 6, but realize the scramble was not selected
4. I start over again
5. I believe at this point only sz 6 need to be rerolled
6. However,  for whatever reason I rolled the bomber combat over again and now both hits.
7. I understand that this can come across as picking the best out of two.
8. It seems like you are fair with the sz6, and when I look back at what happened it is reasonable to take off the bomber.

I hope this makes it easier to understand

Ok. I think my previous post describe how I look at the situations. I understand it is possible to look differently at this and in any situation it is desirable to avoid what happened during USA turn, both for the attacker but also from the defender point of view. Now I am “giving” you the option to remove the bomber or not. I think the most fair thing is to have you make the call.

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 5

Purchase Units - ANZAC
            ANZAC buy 1 submarine and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 2 PUs;

Combat Move - ANZAC
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Queensland to 54 Sea Zone
            1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 54 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 43 Sea Zone to Borneo
            1 submarine moved from 62 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
                  ANZAC take 42 Sea Zone from Japanese

Combat - ANZAC
            ANZAC creates battle in territory 37 Sea Zone
            Battle in Borneo

Non Combat Move - ANZAC
            1 submarine moved from 62 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            3 fighters moved from Queensland to Philippines
            2 infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan
            1 cruiser moved from 54 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone

Place Units - ANZAC
            1 submarine and 1 transport placed in 62 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - ANZAC
            ANZAC collect 14 PUs; end with 16 PUs total
            Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 21 PUs

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 5

Combat Move - French

Non Combat Move - French
            1 destroyer moved from 76 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Iraq
            1 infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan
            1 infantry moved from Tunisia to Algeria
            1 infantry moved from Morocco to Algeria
            1 cruiser moved from 92 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 92 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - French

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 6

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 8 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Russians
            2 infantry moved from Russia to Tambov
            1 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Tambov
            1 fighter moved from Russia to Bryansk
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Russia to Smolensk
            1 mech_infantry moved from Egypt to Ethiopia
                  Russians take Ethiopia from Italians
            1 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk
            1 infantry moved from Russia to Tambov

Combat - Russians
            Battle in Bryansk
                Russians attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                Germans defend with 1 infantry
                Russians win, taking Bryansk from Germans with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Battle in Tambov
                Russians attack with 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Germans defend with 2 infantry
                Russians win, taking Tambov from Germans with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry
            Battle in Smolensk
                Russians attack with 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                Germans defend with 1 infantry
                Russians win, taking Smolensk from Germans with 1 artillery and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Russians
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Tambov to Russia
            1 fighter moved from Bryansk to Russia

Place Units - Russians
            8 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Russia

Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 21 PUs; end with 21 PUs total
            Objective Russians 2 Spread Of Communism: Russians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 24 PUs

Looks like it is tough going for the allies……

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 6

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 1 fighter, 2 infantry, 1 submarine, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
            1 bomber moved from Queensland to 41 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 44 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 35 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 35 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Queensland to 54 Sea Zone
            1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 54 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 44 Sea Zone to Celebes
            1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
                  Americans take 35 Sea Zone from Japanese
            1 mech_infantry moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra

Combat - Americans
            Americans creates battle in territory 6 Sea Zone
            Battle in 43 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 fighter
                Japanese defend with 1 transport
                Americans win, taking 6 Sea Zone from Japanese with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 transport
            Battle in 37 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 2 tactical_bombers
                Japanese defend with 1 destroyer
                Americans win, taking 37 Sea Zone from Japanese with 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer
            Battle in Celebes
            Battle in 41 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 1 transport
                Japanese defend with 1 destroyer
                Americans win, taking Celebes from Japanese, taking 41 Sea Zone from Japanese with 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer
            Battle in Sumatra

Non Combat Move - Americans
            1 bomber moved from 41 Sea Zone to Northern Territory
            1 carrier and 1 destroyer moved from 26 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 26 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 54 Sea Zone to Queensland
            1 fighter moved from 26 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 26 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            2 submarines moved from 26 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 28 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer and 4 submarines moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Western United States to Hawaiian Islands
            1 submarine moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 101 Sea Zone to 123 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 101 Sea Zone to 108 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Eastern United States to United Kingdom
            1 cruiser moved from 98 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 98 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from Egypt to 80 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from 98 Sea Zone to Persia
            1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Egypt to 98 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from 98 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from 80 Sea Zone to Persia
            1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 37 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
            1 battleship, 3 carriers and 2 cruisers moved from 35 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 43 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 54 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 98 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone

Place Units - Americans
            1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Eastern United States
            1 carrier and 1 transport placed in 101 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber placed in 101 Sea Zone
            1 bomber placed in Eastern United States
            1 submarine placed in 10 Sea Zone
            Americans undo move 4.
            1 bomber placed in Western United States

Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 61 PUs; end with 62 PUs total
            Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 67 PUs
            Objective Americans 4 Philippines: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 72 PUs
            Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 77 PUs
            Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 87 PUs

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 6

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
            Chinese buy 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese
            3 infantry moved from Manchuria to Jehol
            1 fighter moved from Manchuria to Jehol

Combat - Chinese
            Battle in Jehol
                Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 3 infantry
                Japanese defend with 3 mech_infantrys
                Chinese win, taking Jehol from Japanese with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Chinese: 2 infantry
                Casualties for Japanese: 3 mech_infantrys

Non Combat Move - Chinese
            1 fighter moved from Jehol to Manchuria

Place Units - Chinese
            2 infantry placed in Manchuria

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 4 PUs; end with 4 PUs total

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 6

Purchase Units - British
            British buy 1 fighter, 3 infantry, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            2 infantry moved from Eastern Persia to West India
            2 fighters moved from Persia to West India
            1 bomber moved from Egypt to West India

Combat - British
            Battle in West India
                British attack with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 2 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 artillery
                British win, taking West India from Japanese with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery

Non Combat Move - British
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Eastern Persia to Persia
            1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Persia
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Iraq to Persia
            1 armour moved from Trans-Jordan to Persia
            1 fighter moved from West India to Persia
            1 fighter moved from West India to Persia
            1 bomber moved from West India to Persia
            2 infantry moved from Alexandria to 98 Sea Zone
            1 armour and 1 artillery moved from Egypt to 98 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from 98 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from 80 Sea Zone to Persia
            1 armour moved from 80 Sea Zone to Persia
            2 fighters moved from Persia to Egypt
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Egypt to Persia
            1 artillery moved from Union of South Africa to 71 Sea Zone
            3 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to 71 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 3 infantry and 2 transports moved from 71 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from 80 Sea Zone to Persia
            1 cruiser and 2 destroyers moved from 98 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 98 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from British Somaliland to Ethiopia
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Persia

Place Units - British
            1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber placed in Persia
            1 transport placed in 106 Sea Zone
            2 infantry placed in Quebec

Turn Complete - British
            British collect 32 PUs; end with 32 PUs total
            Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 37 PUs

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific