Oysteilo (Allies +24) vs Pherman1215 (Axis)

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 5

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 1 bomber, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 7 submarines; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
            1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to 105 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Queensland to 54 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from Queensland to 54 Sea Zone
            1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 54 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 35 Sea Zone to Philippines
            1 destroyer moved from 25 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 15 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            2 submarines moved from 26 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Western United States to 6 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from Manchuria to 6 Sea Zone

Combat - Americans
            Japanese scrambles 1 units out of Japan to defend against the attack in 6 Sea Zone
            Kamikaze Suicide Attack attacks 1 destroyer owned by the Americans scoring 3 hits.  Rolls: 6,2,1,2,6
            Battle in Philippines
            Battle in 6 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 3 submarines
                Japanese defend with 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters and 2 transports
                Units damaged: 1 carrier owned by the Japanese
                1 submarine owned by the Americans Submerged
                Japanese win, taking Philippines from Japanese with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 14
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 2 transports
                Casualties for Americans: 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 2 submarines
            Battle in 105 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 bomber
                Germans defend with 1 destroyer
                Germans win with no units remaining. Battle score for attacker is -4
                Casualties for Germans: 1 destroyer
                Casualties for Americans: 1 bomber
            Moving scrambled unit from 6 Sea Zone back to originating territory: Japan

Non Combat Move - Americans
            1 battleship moved from 54 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            3 carriers moved from 54 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 54 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 54 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            2 cruisers moved from 54 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 55 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 54 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            1 carrier, 2 destroyers and 3 submarines moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Western United States to 26 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
            1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 89 Sea Zone to 28 Sea Zone
            1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 30 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 54 Sea Zone to Queensland
            1 destroyer moved from 92 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 92 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from Gibraltar to 98 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from 92 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from 98 Sea Zone to Egypt
            1 armour moved from Gibraltar to 92 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Gibraltar to 92 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Gibraltar to 92 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 92 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from 92 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from 98 Sea Zone to Egypt
            2 infantry moved from 98 Sea Zone to Egypt
            1 armour moved from 98 Sea Zone to Egypt
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands

Place Units - Americans
            1 destroyer and 4 submarines placed in 10 Sea Zone
            1 fighter placed in Western United States
            1 bomber placed in Eastern United States
            3 submarines placed in 101 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 54 PUs; end with 54 PUs total
            Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 59 PUs
            Objective Americans 4 Philippines: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 64 PUs
            Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 69 PUs
            Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 79 PUs

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 5

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
            Chinese buy 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese

Combat - Chinese

Place Units - Chinese
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Jehol: 1 mech_infantry
            EDIT: Changing ownership of Jehol from Japanese to Chinese
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Chinese from Manchuria: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            2 infantry placed in Jehol

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 4 PUs; end with 6 PUs total

i dont know what is going on. i did the chinese turn but seems like i am unable to post. i attack japan with thre inf and a fighter. loss one on each side

then during americas turn i must somehow not selected the scramble. i did not see any other option than reroll. but in any case my subs hit twice in both scenarios

i also rolled for the bomber/dest in first scenario. no need to reroll that in my opinion. if you are ok with that i will edit in my bomber

i tried two posts with the chinese at least the edited post is there

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 5

Purchase Units - British
            British buy 1 airfield, 1 armour, 1 fighter and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            2 infantry moved from Egypt to Alexandria
            1 bomber moved from Egypt to Alexandria
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Egypt to Alexandria
            1 fighter moved from Egypt to Alexandria

Combat - British
            Battle in Alexandria
                British attack with 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Italians defend with 1 infantry
                British win, taking Alexandria from Italians with 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - British
            1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Alexandria to Egypt
            1 infantry moved from Iraq to Northwest Persia
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Persia to Northwest Persia
            1 armour moved from Egypt to Iraq
            1 submarine moved from 81 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 76 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            2 transports moved from 76 Sea Zone to 71 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Belgian Congo to Egypt
            2 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Egypt
            1 destroyer moved from 92 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Gibraltar to 92 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Gibraltar to 92 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 92 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 92 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 98 Sea Zone to Trans-Jordan
            1 fighter moved from Persia to Russia
            1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to Egypt
            1 fighter moved from Iraq to Persia
            2 fighters moved from Egypt to Persia
            1 fighter moved from Persia to Eastern Persia
            1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 89 Sea Zone

Place Units - British
            1 armour, 1 fighter and 1 infantry placed in Persia
            1 airfield placed in Egypt
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from United Kingdom: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Gibraltar: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Turn Complete - British
            British collect 32 PUs; end with 32 PUs total
            Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 37 PUs

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific

all right, look at my mess and see what you think

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 5

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
            Chinese buy 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese

Combat - Chinese

Place Units - Chinese
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Jehol: 1 mech_infantry
            EDIT: Changing ownership of Jehol from Japanese to Chinese
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Chinese from Manchuria: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            2 infantry placed in Jehol

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 4 PUs; end with 6 PUs total

apparently. I did UK and posted it, but looks like it did not show up again. Dont know what is going on. Will have to do that tomorrow

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 5

Purchase Units - British
            British buy 1 airfield, 1 fighter and 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            2 infantry moved from Egypt to Alexandria
            1 bomber moved from Egypt to Alexandria
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Egypt to Alexandria

Combat - British
            Battle in Alexandria
                British attack with 1 bomber, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Italians defend with 1 infantry
                British win, taking Alexandria from Italians with 1 bomber, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - British
            1 armour moved from Gibraltar to 92 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Gibraltar to 92 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 92 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Gibraltar to 92 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 transport moved from 92 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from 98 Sea Zone to Trans-Jordan
            1 artillery moved from 98 Sea Zone to Trans-Jordan
            1 infantry moved from 98 Sea Zone to Trans-Jordan
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Persia to Northwest Persia
            1 infantry moved from Iraq to Northwest Persia
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Persia to Russia
            1 bomber and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Alexandria to Egypt
            2 fighters moved from Egypt to Persia
            1 fighter moved from Iraq to Persia
            1 fighter moved from Egypt to Persia
            1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to Egypt
            1 destroyer moved from 92 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Gibraltar
            1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 76 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            2 transports moved from 76 Sea Zone to 71 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Belgian Congo to Egypt
            2 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Egypt
            1 armour moved from Egypt to Iraq
            1 mech_infantry moved from Egypt to Iraq

Place Units - British
            1 fighter and 2 infantry placed in Persia
            1 infantry placed in Union of South Africa
            1 airfield placed in Egypt
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from 81 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to 98 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to United Kingdom: 1 bomber
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Turn Complete - British
            British collect 32 PUs; end with 32 PUs total
            Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 37 PUs

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific

i took the liberty of adding the american bomber to london as indicated above

@Pherman1215:

I have issues with your USA turn.  First that I would not have lost a dd before a fighter in SZ 6 while you still had a submarine left.  The 2nd is why does the turn you posted show my DD hitting but you editing your USA bomber back on to UK?  You don’t get to roll a battle twice and pick which outcome you like best.Â

First of all I wont be able to post before sunday

Then to your issues. I did not see the need to reroll the bomber combat from the original turn. The SZ 6 battled had to be rerolled because your scramble was not selected. I believe the bomber combat was done before the sz 6 battle. But in any case loosing the bomber is no big deal if you think this is the way to go. I am fine with that, but I disagree with the statement that I roll twice and pick the best outcome. I have played with open cards and told you what is going on.

Then to the sz 6 battle. I think this is a little more tricky. I ask you for scramble and tokens. You answer that and if you wanted a spesific OOL you could have indicated that. In any case I pick what I think makes the most sense for you in the given situation. You have a carrier, a destroyer and 3 fighters. Total defending value of 16 so you easily score 3 hits in round 1, killing all my subs. When you only happen to score 2 hits I understand your frustration. But if you want to keep your destroyer then you will have to loose a fighter to my third hit

If you won’t accept the way the slection is done. We can reroll, but then I will insist that round 1 stands. I score 3 hits and you score 2 hits. You are left with 2 fighters and a destroyer. I have a sub, 2 fighers and a bomber. I don’t think this is a better battle for you than the actual battle fought. But in any case this can be resolved by forum dice. Let me know what you like to do!

@Pherman1215:

You can’t “insist” that round one stands.  By league rules I would be allowed to have the battle re rolled from the beginning since I wasn’t given the option to keep my dd.  It’s fine though, we can just play sz 6 as is.  The bomber still confuses me because you claim you “saw no reason” to re-roll the battle, but then you re-rolled the battle.  Â

I will take the bomber out. I can be wrong here. Please remove the bomber. I will also be carefull with giving you OOL in all future battles

If you are fine with this, remove the bomber from London and go ahead with Italy

Ok. So what happened was this:
1. I declared all battles for USA
2. I roll the bomber combat, 1 hit for USA, 0 for germany
3. I start sz 6, but realize the scramble was not selected
4. I start over again
5. I believe at this point only sz 6 need to be rerolled
6. However,  for whatever reason I rolled the bomber combat over again and now both hits.
7. I understand that this can come across as picking the best out of two.
8. It seems like you are fair with the sz6, and when I look back at what happened it is reasonable to take off the bomber.

I hope this makes it easier to understand

Ok. I think my previous post describe how I look at the situations. I understand it is possible to look differently at this and in any situation it is desirable to avoid what happened during USA turn, both for the attacker but also from the defender point of view. Now I am “giving” you the option to remove the bomber or not. I think the most fair thing is to have you make the call.