G40 Redesign (currently taking suggestions)

heh heh tried a few G1 openers. Think the Bmbrs could prove quite entertaining. Still not sure on the M3 naval, but bringing the CA keeps 110 and 111 about the same.

Haven’t tried a SL or slamming a bunch of subs at the UK CA in 91 yet. Anyway keeps ya from being lazy and makes you think anew : )

Sorry to spam out here but if you haven’t tried it, these bombers are a lot of fun. This is the closest I’ve seen a A&A game come to as far as representing SBR. Having them cheaper means you use them more. It’s no big deal if one gets shot down (except to the poor bastards in it), interceptors are protected, unless there are escorts, and the UK has been taking a heck of a lot more damage than usual :)

I could see the US actually being able to bomb Germany to effect. I wonder if we should give minors, AB and NB max damage 8 ? Make bombers a little more powerful. I left Tacs with SBR ability. Was that desired ? Seems ok to me if it was.

Anyway, give it a spin. Haven’t messed with naval M3 too much yet. Don’t want my brain to go into Fukushima mode : )

@barney:

Sorry to spam out here but if you haven’t tried it, these bombers are a lot of fun. This is the closest I’ve seen a A&A game come to as far as representing SBR. Having them cheaper means you use them more. It’s no big deal if one gets shot down (except to the poor bastards in it), interceptors are protected, unless there are escorts, and the UK has been taking a heck of a lot more damage than usual :)

I could see the US actually being able to bomb Germany to effect. I wonder if we should give minors, AB and NB max damage 8 ? Make bombers a little more powerful. I left Tacs with SBR ability. Was that desired ? Seems ok to me if it was.

Anyway, give it a spin. Haven’t messed with naval M3 too much yet. Don’t want my brain to go into Fukushima mode : )

Interesting feedback
I believe TcBs C12 with SBR A1 D0 should allow bombing on IC too now.
Since it is so a high cost compared to 5 IPCs, why make such a difference to limit against AB or NB?
After all, StB C5 Dmg 6 now are 2.4 stronger than TcB C12 Dmg 6.
Or, on  60 IPCs basis, 12 SBs gives 12 D6 compared to 5 TcBs giving 5 D6 damage.

On damage, any Maxed out facilities is an incentive to repair.
Better to maxing out more easily I believe.

@Baron
so give Tac a hit at 1 when battling interceptors and let it bomb factories too ? Sounds good to me.
I was thinking max 8 damage on minors and bases but still have them operational at 2 damage. Might be too much. With these cheaper bombers bases should take more of a pounding anyway. It’s always seemed a little to easy to get them (bases) back in operation to me.

@Black_Elk
Glorious is right ! You’ll have a blast ! I haven’t played a whole turn let alone a game yet but might need to trade a German bomber in for a sub and give Japan an extra inf or two for the Yunnan attack. As you know a few minor tweaks might be necessary to the start but after that let it Roll !

I’m really surprised by how well this seems to work. Is still early but seems way cool to me :-D

Great. Looking forward to more reports on this.

As long as the SBR damage is between 7 - 14 a turn on a Major Factory. I don’t want to see max damage every turn.

I know ave. damage per bomber is 3.

Baron, no need to post numbers. I saw them. Just thinking if went to 1D6 +2 may be to strong.

@SS:

As long as the SBR damage is between 7 - 14 a turn on a Major Factory. I don’t want to see max damage every turn.

I know ave. damage per bomber is 3.

Once you get a D6 damage roll, it is 3.5, precisely.

But, from a Strategic POV, it is probably better to see it as a TUV swing of 2 IPCs per StBs.
This taking into account your bomber losses over a longer period.

So if you went 1D6 +2 be TUV swing of 3 or 4 ICPs ?

@SS:

So if you went 1D6 +2 be TUV swing of 3 or 4 ICPs ?

If you suppose most of SBR are against IC’s AAA only.
If you play within combat values Bomber A0 C5.
Using D6 damage (recommended ) avg TUV swing going to be 2.084 IPCs.
Using D6+2 damage (OP) avg TUV swing will be 3.750 IPCs.
(OOB G40 is actually 2.583 IPCs)

SBR HRules with StB A0 C5 and Fg A1 D1 C10: damage 1D6 or 1D6+2

1 Strategic Bomber doing SBR against no interceptor

AAA roll = odds casualties

5/6 StB survived * 5.5 IPCs = +4.583 IPCs or (D6) 5/6*3.5= +2.917
1/6 StB killed *5 IPCs = -0.833 IPCs

D6: +2.917-0.833= +2.084 IPCs
D6+2: + 4.583 - 0.833 = +3.750 IPCs damage/SBR

Global40 SBR HRules : 1 StB doing SBR without interceptor, damage 1D6+2 / damage 1D6

5/6 StB survived *3.5 IPCs = +2.917 IPCs

5/6 StB survived *5.5 IPCs = +4.583 IPCs

1/6 StB killed *5 IPCs = -0.833 IPCs
1/6 StB killed *6 IPCs = -1 IPCs
1/6 StB killed *8 IPCs = -1.333 IPCs

Cost 5
1D6 (avg 3.5 IPCs): +2.917 - 0.833 = +2.084 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2 (avg 5.5 IPCs): +4.583 - 0.833 = +3.750 IPCs damage/SBR
Cost 6
1D6 (avg 3.5 IPCs): +2.917 - 1 = +1.917 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2 (avg 5.5 IPCs): +4.583 - 1 = +3.583 IPCs damage/SBR
Cost 8
1D6 (avg 3.5 IPCs): +2.917 - 1.333 = +1.584 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2 (avg 5.5 IPCs): +4.583 - 1.333 = +3.250 IPCs damage/SBR
G40 BMode
1D6+2: + 4.583 - 2 = +2.583 IPCs damage/SBR run

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Thank You Baron.  :-D

Updated so Tacs can bomb factories and hit at 1 in air battle. Added Objectives tab.
Open the zip and put the folder inside the downloaded maps folder which is inside your triplea folder.

SBR Only
https://www.sendspace.com/file/a8173i

w/naval M3
https://www.sendspace.com/file/zi1i53

What version is 42.2 ? v4 ?

here’s 42.2

https://www.sendspace.com/file/30jr8m

Delete your existing v5 zip in the downloaded maps folder inside triplea folder. This one has the original and the two mods.

I didn’t see any intercepting. The xml has it listed. It didn’t work in the original either though, so don’t know whats up with that

edit: fix bmbr price

Oops ! Totally spaced the price

https://www.sendspace.com/file/30jr8m

@Baron:

@barney:

Sorry to spam out here but if you haven’t tried it, these bombers are a lot of fun. This is the closest I’ve seen a A&A game come to as far as representing SBR. Having them cheaper means you use them more. It’s no big deal if one gets shot down (except to the poor bastards in it), interceptors are protected, unless there are escorts, and the UK has been taking a heck of a lot more damage than usual :)

I could see the US actually being able to bomb Germany to effect. I wonder if we should give minors, AB and NB max damage 8 ? Make bombers a little more powerful. I left Tacs with SBR ability. Was that desired ? Seems ok to me if it was.

Anyway, give it a spin. Haven’t messed with naval M3 too much yet. Don’t want my brain to go into Fukushima mode : )

Interesting feedback
I believe TcBs C12 with SBR A1 D0 should allow bombing on IC too now. Since it is so a high cost compared to 5 IPCs, why make such a difference to limit against AB or NB?
After all, StB C5 Dmg 6 now are 2.4 stronger than TcB C12 Dmg 6.
Or, on  60 IPCs basis, 12 SBs gives 12 D6 compared to 5 TcBs giving 5 D6 damage.

On damage, any Maxed out facilities is an incentive to repair.
Better to maxing out more easily I believe.

Any POV on giving TcB A4 D3 M4-6 C12, SBR A1 damage D6 access to bombing ICs or Factories?
For me, it simplify things, less exceptional rules. No more distinction on SBR (IC or AB or NB) vs TcBR (AB or NB).
It increase the possibility to use at full potential all bombers units available.
That way, it is an incentive to more SBRs and dogfight. TcBs is not an optimized choice, for sure, but you have no special irregular inability to not throw TcBs in Air Raid.
(12 SBs gives 12 D6 compared to 5 TcBs giving 5 D6 damage)
For instance, I’m thinking of some Russian Ukrainian IC with no AB or NB.

Of course, it gets A1 like other Fg escort, but it cost 12 IPCs now.
And TcB will not be use as a fodder to protect StBs A0 C5. (YG often dislikes this feature of 11 IPCs TcBs.)
The advantage of cheaper StB is that it is becoming the main cannon fodder in dogfight, as it always should be the prey of intercepting Fighters.
In addition, TcB A1 can also be seen as attacking landing fields, which can explain why it still get A1 vs Fg D1.

Is there any reason to forbid TcBs to attack IC?
From a game POV I don’t see.
From an historical POV? Stukas were not deploy against Stalingrad or London?