GL40 Radiant (Axis) vs Milter (Allies+18)

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 4

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 1 artillery, 1 destroyer, 2 infantry and 2 submarines; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Alexandria to Egypt
            1 fighter moved from Libya to Egypt
            1 infantry moved from Tunisia to Algeria
                  Italians take Algeria from French
            1 artillery moved from Tunisia to 94 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 2 cruisers and 1 transport moved from 94 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from 92 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to Egypt
            1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland

Combat - Italians
            Battle in Gibraltar
            Battle in Egypt
                Italians attack with 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                British defend with 1 artillery, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                    Italians roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Egypt, round 2 :  3/5 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Egypt, round 2 :  1/2 hits
                    1 artillery owned by the British, 1 infantry owned by the Italians and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Egypt
                Italians win, taking Gibraltar from British, taking Egypt from British with 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
                Casualties for British: 1 artillery and 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Italians
            1 bomber moved from Egypt to Libya
            1 fighter moved from Egypt to Alexandria
            1 armour moved from Northern Italy to Slovakia Hungary
            1 armour moved from Northern Italy to Slovakia Hungary
            3 mech_infantrys moved from Southern France to Western Germany
            1 infantry moved from Southern France to France

Place Units - Italians
            1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Southern France
            1 destroyer and 2 submarines placed in 95 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Italians
            Italians collect 18 PUs; end with 19 PUs total
            Objective Italians 2 Roman Empire: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 24 PUs
            Objective Italians 1 Control The Mediterranean: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 29 PUs

Again another battle you are suppose to lose, and you win with prefect dice, your skill level with the dice is unreal.

Battle in Shantung
                ANZAC attack with 1 artillery and 3 infantry
                Japanese defend with 2 armour, 1 factory_minor and 1 mech_infantry
                ANZAC win, taking Shantung from Japanese with 1 artillery and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is  16
                Casualties for Japanese: 2 armour and 1 mech_infantry

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 5

Research Technology - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 2 armour, 8 infantry and 5 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Archangel
                  Germans take Archangel from Russians
            2 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Western Ukraine
            5 armour moved from Poland to Western Ukraine
            2 infantry moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 infantry moved from Belarus to Smolensk
            1 infantry moved from Belarus to Smolensk
            6 armour, 8 artilleries, 11 infantry and 9 mech_infantrys moved from Belarus to Bryansk
            1 bomber moved from Western Germany to Smolensk
            4 infantry moved from Romania to Bessarabia
            1 bomber moved from Western Germany to Bessarabia
            1 bomber moved from Western Germany to Bessarabia
            1 tactical_bomber moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 tactical_bomber moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux

Combat - Germans
            Battle in Bessarabia
                Germans attack with 2 bombers and 4 infantry
                Russians defend with 1 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 2 bombers and 4 infantry in Bessarabia, round 2 :  2/6 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Bessarabia, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Bessarabia
                Germans win, taking Bessarabia from Russians with 2 bombers and 4 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Battle in Normandy Bordeaux
                Germans attack with 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
                British defend with 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 :  1/4 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the British lost in Normandy Bordeaux
                Germans win, taking Normandy Bordeaux from British with 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
            Battle in Bryansk
                Germans attack with 6 armour, 8 artilleries, 11 infantry and 9 mech_infantrys
                Russians defend with 2 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 6 armour, 8 artilleries, 11 infantry and 9 mech_infantrys in Bryansk, round 2 :  10/34 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 2 infantry in Bryansk, round 2 :  0/2 hits
                    2 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Bryansk
                Germans win, taking Bryansk from Russians with 6 armour, 8 artilleries, 11 infantry and 9 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry
            Battle in Western Ukraine
                Germans attack with 7 armour and 1 mech_infantry
                Russians defend with 2 armour
                    Germans roll dice for 7 armour and 1 mech_infantry in Western Ukraine, round 2 :  3/8 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 2 armour in Western Ukraine, round 2 :  0/2 hits
                    2 armour owned by the Russians lost in Western Ukraine
                Germans win, taking Western Ukraine from Russians with 7 armour and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
                Casualties for Russians: 2 armour
            Battle in Smolensk
                Germans attack with 1 bomber and 2 infantry
                Russians defend with 1 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 infantry in Smolensk, round 2 :  0/3 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Smolensk, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Smolensk
                    Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Smolensk, round 3 :  1/2 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Smolensk, round 3 :  1/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Smolensk
                Germans win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3
                Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Germans
            1 bomber moved from Smolensk to Novgorod
            1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Novgorod to Karelia
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia
            3 infantry moved from Novgorod to Belarus
            1 fighter moved from Holland Belgium to Southern Italy
            1 fighter moved from Holland Belgium to Southern Italy
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Western Germany
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Western Germany
            6 aaGuns moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany
            1 mech_infantry moved from Germany to Eastern Poland
            1 bomber moved from Bessarabia to Novgorod
            1 bomber moved from Bessarabia to Novgorod
            5 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to Poland

Place Units - Germans
            3 infantry placed in Novgorod
            5 infantry placed in Western Germany
            2 armour and 5 mech_infantrys placed in Germany

Turn Complete - Germans
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 1
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 125 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,4
            Germans collect 51 PUs (1 lost to blockades); end with 51 PUs total
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 56 PUs
            Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 61 PUs

It was a 45 %, which is obviously worth it. Very lucky in that battle, but youve won a few 10% yourself… It’s dice. Live with it

Do you really want to compare dice this game?  You sure you want to go down this road?  Love for you to post the “few 10% I won”

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 5

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 2 bombers, 1 factory_minor, 1 fighter and 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 6 PUs;

Combat Move - Japanese
            1 fighter moved from Japan to 19 Sea Zone
            5 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Yenisey
                  Japanese take Yenisey from Russians
            3 infantry moved from Anhwe to Shantung
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Anhwe to Kiangsu
            1 fighter moved from Japan to Kiangsu
            1 artillery, 5 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Kweichow to Yunnan
            1 mech_infantry moved from Szechwan to Sikang
                  Japanese take Sikang from Chinese
            1 artillery moved from Tsinghai to Kazakhstan
                  Japanese take Kazakhstan from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Amur to Buyant-Uhaa
                  Japanese take Buyant-Uhaa from Russians
            1 submarine moved from 41 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Sumatra to 41 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Malaya to Shan State
            1 fighter moved from Malaya to Shan State
            1 artillery, 2 battleships, 3 carriers, 2 cruisers, 4 destroyers, 4 fighters and 1 transport moved from 41 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
            1 fighter moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
            1 fighter moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
            1 fighter moved from Malaya to 42 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Malaya to 42 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Malaya to 43 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Anhwe to 43 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Anhwe to Kiangsu
            1 fighter moved from Anhwe to Kiangsu
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Anhwe to Kiangsu
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Anhwe to Kiangsu
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Anhwe to Kiangsu
            1 fighter moved from Anhwe to Kiangsu
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Anhwe to Shantung
            1 bomber moved from Anhwe to Shantung

Combat - Japanese
            Battle in 43 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 2 bombers
                Americans defend with 1 destroyer
                    Japanese roll dice for 2 bombers in 43 Sea Zone, round 2 :  2/2 hits
                    Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 43 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 destroyer owned by the Americans lost in 43 Sea Zone
                Japanese win with 2 bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer
            Battle in 42 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 2 battleships, 3 carriers, 2 cruisers, 4 destroyers, 3 fighters, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport
                Americans defend with 1 destroyer; ANZAC defend with 1 transport
                    Japanese roll dice for 2 battleships, 3 carriers, 2 cruisers, 4 destroyers, 3 fighters, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport in 42 Sea Zone, round 2 :  5/12 hits
                    Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 42 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 destroyer owned by the Americans and 1 transport owned by the ANZAC lost in 42 Sea Zone
                Japanese win, taking 42 Sea Zone from Americans with 2 battleships, 3 carriers, 2 cruisers, 4 destroyers, 3 fighters, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 15
                Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer
                Casualties for ANZAC: 1 transport
            Battle in Java
                Japanese attack with 1 artillery and 2 fighters
                ANZAC defend with 1 artillery
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 fighters in Java, round 2 :  1/3 hits
                    ANZAC roll dice for 1 artillery in Java, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 artillery owned by the ANZAC lost in Java
                Japanese win, taking Java from ANZAC with 1 artillery and 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for ANZAC: 1 artillery
            Battle in Kiangsu
                Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 4 fighters, 2 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers
                Americans defend with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry; Chinese defend with 1 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 4 fighters, 2 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers in Kiangsu, round 2 :  6/10 hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Kiangsu, round 2 :  1/4 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Japanese, 1 infantry owned by the Chinese, 1 armour owned by the Americans, 1 artillery owned by the Americans and 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Kiangsu
                Japanese win, taking Kiangsu from Chinese with 1 artillery, 4 fighters, 1 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 13
                Casualties for Americans: 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Battle in Shantung
                Japanese attack with 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
                ANZAC defend with 1 artillery and 3 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Shantung, round 2 :  6/8 hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 1 artillery and 3 infantry in Shantung, round 2 :  1/4 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Japanese, 1 artillery owned by the ANZAC and 3 infantry owned by the ANZAC lost in Shantung
                Japanese win, taking Shantung from Chinese with 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 10
                Casualties for ANZAC: 1 artillery and 3 infantry
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Battle in Yunnan
                Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 5 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys
                British defend with 2 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 5 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys in Yunnan, round 2 :  1/8 hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 2 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 :  0/2 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the British lost in Yunnan
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 5 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys in Yunnan, round 3 :  0/8 hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Yunnan, round 3 :  0/1 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 5 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys in Yunnan, round 4 :  0/8 hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Yunnan, round 4 :  0/1 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 5 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys in Yunnan, round 5 :  2/8 hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Yunnan, round 5 :  1/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Yunnan
                Japanese win, taking Yunnan from Chinese with 1 artillery, 4 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for British: 2 infantry
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Battle in Shan State
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
                British defend with 1 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in Shan State, round 2 :  2/2 hits
                    UK_Pacific roll dice for 1 infantry in Shan State, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    1 tactical_bomber owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Shan State
                Japanese win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is -8
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 tactical_bomber
            Battle in 19 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter
                Americans defend with 2 transports; ANZAC defend with 2 transports
                    2 transports owned by the Americans and 2 transports owned by the ANZAC lost in 19 Sea Zone
                Japanese win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 28
                Casualties for Americans: 2 transports
                Casualties for ANZAC: 2 transports
            Battle in 36 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 submarine
                British defend with 1 destroyer
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 36 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 destroyer in 36 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 36 Sea Zone, round 3 :  1/1 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 destroyer in 36 Sea Zone, round 3 :  0/1 hits
                    1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 36 Sea Zone
                Japanese win, taking 36 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for British: 1 destroyer

Non Combat Move - Japanese
            1 bomber moved from 43 Sea Zone to French Indo China
            1 bomber moved from 43 Sea Zone to French Indo China
            1 fighter moved from Shan State to French Indo China
            3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Kiangsu to French Indo China
            1 fighter moved from Kiangsu to Hopei
            1 fighter moved from Shantung to Hopei
            1 fighter moved from Shantung to Hopei
            1 fighter moved from 19 Sea Zone to Japan
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Shantung to Hopei
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Shantung to Hopei
            1 bomber moved from Shantung to French Indo China
            1 fighter moved from Java to 42 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Java to 42 Sea Zone

Place Units - Japanese
            1 factory_minor placed in French Indo China
            2 bombers, 1 fighter and 3 infantry placed in Japan

Turn Complete - Japanese
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 4
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 6 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,6,5,1
            Japanese collect 63 PUs (4 lost to blockades); end with 69 PUs total

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TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 5

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 3 armour, 1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            1 artillery moved from Gibraltar to 92 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Algeria to 92 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 2 cruisers, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 92 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
                  Italians take 98 Sea Zone from British
            1 bomber moved from Libya to Egypt
            1 fighter moved from Alexandria to Egypt
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 98 Sea Zone to Egypt
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 mech_infantry moved from Western Germany to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 infantry moved from France to Holland Belgium
            1 mech_infantry moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
            1 mech_infantry moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
            1 armour moved from Eastern Poland to Ukraine
                  Italians take Ukraine from Russians
            2 armour moved from Slovakia Hungary to Western Ukraine
            1 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Western Ukraine

Combat - Italians
            Battle in Normandy Bordeaux
                Italians attack with 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                British defend with 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
                    Italians roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 :  1/4 hits
                    British roll dice for 2 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 :  1/2 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Italians and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Normandy Bordeaux
                    Italians roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 3 :  1/3 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 3 :  1/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Italians and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Normandy Bordeaux
                Italians win, taking Normandy Bordeaux from British with 1 artillery and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Italians: 2 infantry
                Casualties for British: 2 infantry
            Battle in Holland Belgium
                Italians attack with 1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys
                British defend with 1 infantry
                    Italians roll dice for 1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys in Holland Belgium, round 2 :  1/3 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 infantry in Holland Belgium, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the British lost in Holland Belgium
                Italians win, taking Holland Belgium from British with 1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
            Battle in Egypt
                Italians attack with 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 infantry
                British defend with 1 harbour, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                    Italians roll dice for 2 cruisers in Egypt, round 2 :  0/2 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Egypt, round 2 :  3/4 hits
                    British roll dice for 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Egypt, round 2 :  2/4 hits
                    1 artillery owned by the Italians, 1 infantry owned by the Italians and 3 infantry owned by the British lost in Egypt
                    Italians roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 fighter in Egypt, round 3 :  1/2 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Egypt, round 3 :  1/1 hits
                    1 mech_infantry owned by the British and 1 fighter owned by the Italians lost in Egypt
                Italians win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is -4
                Casualties for Italians: 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 infantry
                Casualties for British: 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry

Non Combat Move - Italians
            1 bomber moved from Egypt to Alexandria

Place Units - Italians
            3 armour, 1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys placed in Northern Italy

Turn Complete - Italians
            Italians collect 19 PUs; end with 19 PUs total
            Objective Italians 2 Roman Empire: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 24 PUs
            Objective Italians 1 Control The Mediterranean: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 29 PUs

Dice Statistics:

Total
            1 was rolled 6 times
            2 was rolled 7 times
            3 was rolled 2 times
            4 was rolled 5 times
            5 was rolled 2 times
            6 was rolled 5 times
        Average roll : 3.185
        Median : 3.000
        Variance : 0.885
        Standard Deviation : 0.941
        Total rolls : 27

Italians Combat
            1 was rolled 5 times
            2 was rolled 3 times
            3 was rolled 2 times
            4 was rolled 3 times
            5 was rolled 1 times
            6 was rolled 4 times
        Average roll : 3.222
        Median : 3.000
        Variance : 0.588
        Standard Deviation : 0.767
        Total rolls : 18

British Combat
            1 was rolled 1 times
            2 was rolled 4 times
            4 was rolled 2 times
            5 was rolled 1 times
            6 was rolled 1 times
        Average roll : 3.111
        Median : 2.000
        Variance : 1.375
        Standard Deviation : 1.173
        Total rolls : 9

Okay that was the last straw, I keep losing battles that I am suppose to win, and your taking almost zero caustlies.
Blah, Blah, Blah what a waste of time…