Global 1940 Wittman and Private Panic vs Credulous and Elrood

I certainly agree, Seb, that change is inevitable. The free-marketeers within the brexit campaign see the EU as a barrier to changes that we need to adapt to rather than attempt in vain to deny. These will be the majority of the political class that campaigned against the EU.

Of course other elements of the brexit campaign object to the changes that membership of the EU foists upon us, such as migration. I believe these to be the majority of those that actually voted for brexit.

Within that mis-match will lie much frustration as we attempt to find a way forward.

I think our fundamental issue is that we have a significant and growing underclass with insufficient ability or motivation to succeed. We that “are hard working and never stop learning” leave that underclass ever further behind. Although successive governments have provided greater equality of opportunity through education and equal rights, these do not touch the true life chances of those unlucky enough to be born into dysfunctional families in slum housing estates, often encircled by gangs, violence, drugs and, worst of all perhaps, low aspirations.

Unless we find solutions to these intractable problems our social and political systems will be ever more challenged.

But then again, the US has these problems to an even greater degree, with an even greater divide between rich and poor, and yet manages to keep a lid on the pressure-cooker. Perhaps the American Dream still wields sufficient power to keep the disadvantaged hoping for a better future?

@Private:

But then again, the US has these problems to an even greater degree, with an even greater divide between rich and poor, and yet manages to keep a lid on the pressure-cooker. Perhaps the American Dream still wields sufficient power to keep the disadvantaged hoping for a better future?

Thats an interesting point. I never looked at it this way.

Before I heard in some comment that US population doesnt want to tax the “upper class” higher, because:
a) many middle class believe (wrongfully) they belong to that group
b) the american dream makes it possible (but very unlikely though) you belong to the upper class some day

Is somehow present in US sub-conscience.

At least that’s what was said in that comment/report. Dont know if its true, but it would also explain your statement above. Hmm

I think Mark & Leo have dozed off while we solve the problems of the world!

Perhaps it is time to wake them up with a game?

May be you are right!  :lol:

Test summary from TripleA, engine version: 1.8.0.9, time: 13:16:36

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            1 fighter moved from Norway to 111 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Germany to 111 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Holland Belgium to 109 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from Western Germany to 109 Sea Zone
            3 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 109 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 117 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 124 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 103 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 108 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 118 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 113 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone
            2 bombers moved from Germany to 111 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux
            3 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to France
            1 artillery, 3 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to France
            3 armour moved from Greater Southern Germany to France
            2 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from Greater Southern Germany to Yugoslavia
            1 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia
            1 infantry moved from Romania to Yugoslavia
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Poland to Yugoslavia
            1 fighter moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia

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Scramble?

Afternoon, my erudite and elitist loving, yet socialist, friends.
I believe I said Cred should be the oppressed Soviets, so will look at the scramble now.
I am glad you have awoken from your political reverie and got this started.

You, dirty, sneaky German: going after my Destroyers! No, thank you.

witt - you have lost the plot!

I believe the sides are as follows:

El Rude - G & I
witt - J
Cred - R, UK, F
PP - US, China, ANZAC

So unless you want to change things we should ask Mark a line to look at the scramble?

@Private:

witt - you have lost the plot!

Yeah… I bet by now that old man doesn’t even remember whether he voted for leave or stay.  :roll:

I am Japan again? Ok. Thought I was the Allies; had been a long time.

I have PMed mark so that he knows we have a game up and running awaiting his input.

Hopefully Leo will remember until the end of the game which side he is on? :roll:

The winning one, of course.

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            1 submarine moved from 117 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 124 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 108 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 103 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 118 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
            2 bombers moved from Germany to 109 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Norway to 111 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Germany to 111 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Holland Belgium to 111 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 111 Sea Zone
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 109 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux
            2 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to France
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Poland to Yugoslavia
            1 fighter moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia
            1 artillery, 3 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to France
            3 armour moved from Greater Southern Germany to France
            2 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from Greater Southern Germany to Yugoslavia
            1 armour moved from Poland to Yugoslavia
            1 infantry moved from Romania to Yugoslavia
            1 battleship moved from 113 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone

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I had to shift around some units from the attacks  :mrgreen:

Why? Because your ally would not scramble?

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            1 submarine moved from 117 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 124 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 108 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 103 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 118 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
            2 bombers moved from Germany to 109 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Norway to 111 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Germany to 111 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Holland Belgium to 111 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 111 Sea Zone
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 109 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux
            2 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to France
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Poland to Yugoslavia
            1 fighter moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia
            1 artillery, 3 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to France
            3 armour moved from Greater Southern Germany to France
            2 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from Greater Southern Germany to Yugoslavia
            1 armour moved from Poland to Yugoslavia
            1 infantry moved from Romania to Yugoslavia
            1 battleship moved from 113 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone

Combat - Germans
            Battle in 106 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 2 submarines
                British defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport
                Germans win, taking 106 Sea Zone from Neutral with 2 submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 15
                Casualties for British: 1 destroyer and 1 transport
            Battle in 91 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 submarine
                British defend with 1 cruiser
                Germans win with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
                Casualties for British: 1 cruiser
            Battle in 111 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 battleship, 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 2 tactical_bombers
                British defend with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer
                Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British
                Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Germans
                Germans win with 1 battleship, 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 40
                Casualties for British: 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer
            Battle in 109 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 2 bombers, 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 2 tactical_bombers
                British defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport
                Germans win with 2 bombers, 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9
                Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine
                Casualties for British: 1 destroyer and 1 transport
            Battle in France
                Germans attack with 5 armour, 2 artilleries, 6 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys
                British defend with 1 armour and 1 artillery; French defend with 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 factory_major, 1 fighter and 6 infantry
                Germans captures 19PUs while taking French capital
                Germans converts factory_major into different units
                Germans win, taking France from French with 3 armour remaining. Battle score for attacker is -1
                Casualties for Germans: 2 armour, 2 artilleries, 6 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys
                Casualties for British: 1 armour and 1 artillery
                Casualties for French: 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 6 infantry
            Battle in Normandy Bordeaux
                Germans attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                French defend with 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                Germans win, taking Normandy Bordeaux from French with 1 armour remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Germans: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Casualties for French: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
            Battle in Yugoslavia
                Germans attack with 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 7 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Neutral_Allies defend with 5 infantry
                Germans win, taking Yugoslavia from Neutral_Allies with 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 6 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 5 infantry
            Trigger Germans Conquer France: Setting switch to true for conditionAttachment_French_1_Liberation_Switch attached to French
            triggerFrenchDestroyPUsGermans: Setting destroysPUs to true for playerAttatchment attached to French

Non Combat Move - Germans
            1 fighter moved from Yugoslavia to Tobruk
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Yugoslavia to Southern Italy
            2 bombers, 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 109 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium
            2 aaGuns moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 111 Sea Zone to Western Germany
            1 fighter moved from 111 Sea Zone to Western Germany
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 111 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser and 1 transport moved from 114 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Norway to Finland
                  Germans take Finland from Neutral_Axis
            2 infantry moved from Norway to Finland
            2 infantry moved from Denmark to Western Germany
            3 aaGuns moved from Germany to Slovakia Hungary
            1 infantry moved from Romania to Bulgaria
                  Germans take Bulgaria from Neutral_Axis
            3 infantry moved from Poland to Slovakia Hungary
            1 armour moved from Slovakia Hungary to Poland
            1 artillery moved from Germany to Slovakia Hungary
            6 infantry moved from Germany to Slovakia Hungary
            1 artillery moved from Germany to Slovakia Hungary
            1 infantry moved from Germany to Slovakia Hungary
            1 aaGun moved from Western Germany to Germany

Place Units - Germans
            1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine placed in 112 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Germans
            Germans collect 41 PUs; end with 60 PUs total
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 65 PUs
            Objective Germans 1 Trade with Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 70 PUs

triplea_36475_Ger1.tsvg

a bit unlucky in France… in the middle of the battle I thought I might even loose this (when my army hit once and defenders hit 4 units)

whew  :-o