Victory Conditions w/ Russian Revolution

@krieghund

Yeah, but in reality it wouldn’t make any sense.

Anyhow, it’s good to clarify.

@krieghund ok, I think I got it. Thanks a bunch! :+1:

Russia needs to have at least one unit in territories shared between it and the Central Powers, in order to indicate this shared status. However, there’s no reason why you need to leave any units in territories that Russia has full control of, other than simply not taking the time to remove them during the game.

Adding write-up of procedure we use…
Divided into 2 parts, territory is either Original or Non-Original.

PROCEDURE:

The Revolution can occur at the end of any Russian turn starting with turn 4.
At that time an Armistice is offered FROM the new Soviet Russia power TO the Central Powers.  
The offer is NOT optional and is a ONE time offer, that is accepted or rejected.  
IF ACCEPTED…

No further battle against Russian units is permitted.  Travel into territories with ONLY Russian units is forbidden.

Non-Original Russian Territories and Sea Zones (including Serbia and Romania)
1.  Remove all Russian units.
2.  Remove all Russian sea units.
3.  Remove all Russian control tokens, plus, as applies after step 1, if territory is…
a.  Contested…
    No further action.
b.  Other AP or CP powers only…
    Captured territories goes to remaining power, or if multiple, their choice.
    Original territories, control goes to original power. Exception: If original AP
               power’s capital is captured, then control goes to other AP power (if any).
       c.  No units of any power…
            Original territories, control goes to original power.
            All other territories are uncontrolled.

Original Russian Territories
1.  Remove all Russian units, except leave 1 infantry unit where units exist.
2.  Establish territory control…
    a.  Controlled by a CP power…
         The territory remains in that CP power’s control.  The CP power will continue
 to collect IPC income.  Treat these same as any other neutral territory.  These
          can never become Russian territories again.
    b.  Contested, but only with non-Russian powers…
         1.  Add 1 Russian infantry unit.
         2.  Follow step c.
    c.  Contested…
         Territory remains contested for remainder of game.  However the CP player
  is allowed movement through the territory if it maintains a garrison.  AP players
  cannot enter these territories. Plus see step e. ** If CP leaves, it cannot re-enter.**
    d.  Occupied with other AP power(s) only…
         1.  Add 1 Russian infantry unit.
         2.  Follow step e.          
    e.  Shared with other AP power(s) (with or without CP powers)…
         AP player must leave Russia by end of their next move once the revolution
 has occurred or they will be removed from the board.  No battle is allowed in
these territories.  Contested movement restriction (pg 15) does not apply.
    f.  Controlled by Russians only…
        1.  Add 1 Russian infantry in none exists.  Entry by AP/CP powers is forbidden.

I favour a system where the CPs have to hold X number of VCs at the end of turn Y to have won. It is essentially a curve based on the extent of expansion they are expected to have reached after a specific number of rounds.

I envisioned calvary working like this.

Attack at a 2
Move at a 2
Defend at a 3 (If on a territory containing defending infantry)
Defend at a 2 otherwise.

Cavalry played a minor role during the entire war. (Lawrence of Arabia for example)

Cavalry would have one other feature. They alone would be able to leave a contested zone and attack an empty adjacent enemy controlled territory.

By turn 4 they would no longer allowed to be built.

I do agree the game is great as is.

They probably should have, but they didn’t, so as the rules read right now (and even as they read in the book) there are plenty of situations when the Russian player might voluntarily choose not to counterattack a province because the Revolution is preferable to the capture of Moscow from an Allied standpoint.

At least they fixed the other problems with the Russian Revolution as written in the rulebook.

No Dreadnoughts should ever be built in the game since it takes 3+ years from start to finish. I understand it makes the game unplayable, but accuracy and not fun must be part of the game.

Extrapolating this further all other naval units take 6-8 turns to build. I understand this means that half the game will have empty oceans, but oh well. Accuracy and not fun is whats important.

Limits on how many of one type of unit get built would also presumably be part of Larry’s rules.

If one thing we know is Axis and Allies is a perfect representation of Historical accuracy, and not fun anymore.

Enjoy the game.