Teslas (Allies) vs Private Panic (Axis) in 1940 Global

If you were more afraid of one of these things happening than I seem to think them effective, let me know. If there was a choice I didn’t see, let me know. At this point, the deed is done. Spain killed most of my damn landing force and redeploying for something else a turn later isn’t an option. We’re committed now!

Stupid god damn Franco and his facist assholes.

fascist*

You are right, Japan mainland is not an option. It simply never is unless Japan falls asleep at the wheel.

Targets/Objectives for America in the upper Pacific for a distracted Japan:

-Korea is available if you let me hold it. An American factory there is hilarious, though Japan can usually knock America back out before it gets to be too troublesome.

-Japanese factory on Manchuria. Taking the territory blows it up and resurrects china.

-Giving Russia back some far east territories helps them against Germany a tiny bit, and slows down Japan a tiny bit.

-Japan proper is worth 8 IPCs (+3 from Korea if it’s not taken), meaning one round of convoys of a US fleet there can cost Japn a destroyer. Not bad.

-It pulls the IJN back from ANZAC/Middle East. It may also pull a portion of the airforce back, though an airbase on Kwangsi means that the Japanese can keep their options fairly well open.

-ANZAC, with Japan distracted, can attempt to expand a bit. If UK Pac is still alive, it can attempt the same, though to a lesser degree.

I also, still, don’t see it in terms of TUV swing. Far too crude of a measurement. Positioning matters in this game to such an extent as to rival that of any economical aspect. Rival, not supersede, mind you. The Swedes are nice, and save Norway forever, but they are not in a position to help on any active front (of which there are now three) until 3 turns from now. As such, their value is lessened. Indeed, the IPC difference is minor. UK gained 2, US 3, and Germany 3. At this particular stage of the game, I think that actually benefits Germany the most.

Fourth game? Well hot damn, son, you’re doing alright for yourself.

And aren’t you already in like 30 games on the forums by now? I don’t know how you can manage to keep them all in your head.

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 5

Purchase Units - ANZAC
            ANZAC buy 1 artillery, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - ANZAC

Non Combat Move - ANZAC
            2 infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan
            2 transports moved from 62 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from South Australia to Queensland
            1 transport moved from 39 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone

Place Units - ANZAC
            1 artillery placed in Queensland
            1 destroyer and 1 submarine placed in 54 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - ANZAC
            ANZAC collect 10 PUs; end with 10 PUs total

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 5

Combat Move - French

Non Combat Move - French
            1 infantry moved from Tanganyika Territory to Kenya
            1 infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan

Turn Complete - French

Alright, sorry it took so long to get around to that.

-Yes, all friendly fighters can intercept, so 7.

-I think that yes, tac bombers can also throw 1’s in the air battle, but please look this up in the rules to be sure. I’d do it now but I’m at work. Maybe even cite the text and page number here in this thread if you want to be friendly so I can remember it for later.

-The facility AA only shoots at what’s attacking it. TripleA does not handle this correctly I’ve heard. See below☼

-Tactical bombers can only bomb non-factory facilities, yes. They are subject to AA fire while doing so just like strat bombers are.

Questions are never a problem!

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Example 1:

1:
Combat move: 4 Strategic bombers descend on London with 4 fighters covering them.

2:
Air battle: Every plane participating rolls a 1. On a 1, they kill an enemy plane. You are allowed to choose whatever casualties here that you like.

3a:
The fighters are now finished with their combat move.

3b:
Surviving strategic bombers (and tactical bombers, but in this example we have none) must choose their target facilities. For this example, let’s say 2 bombers to the major factory, and 1 each to the air base and naval base.

4:
AA fire from facilities. Each facility fires at the plane or planes attacking it. If hit by AA fire, they are immediately destroyed. In TripleA, I believe this is handled all at once, and you may select your casualties in some way. In the actual rules, this is not the case. If the air base AA hits the bomber attacking it, you must lose the bomber attacking the air base. You could not instead choose to lose a bomber attacking the factory.

The same goes for bringing tacs/strategic bombers. You must roll a die per plane. If all incoming planes are of the same type and coming from the same place (IE, all strategic bombers, and all from the same territory), then you can save time by just rolling all at once–indeed, they can only lose strategic bombers, and it doesn’t really matter which one if they’re all coming from the same place. But if both types of bombers are going after a facility, or planes are coming from multiple territories, you should keep track of that, and roll them 1 by 1. Maybe you’d prefer your strat bomber flying from 6 spaces away is lost, and not the one that still has 5 more range to play with on the noncom, but too bad.

5:
Any surviving bombers then roll for damage on the facilities.

6:
On the noncom, planes fly home as normal.

What I don’t know for sure:

Q1:
Can planes be sent as escort even if they don’t bomb? For instance, if I have 15 french strategic bombers in Paris, and I want to bomb the major factory in Western Germany, but Germany has 5 fighters there, may I send all 15 french strat bombers to take place in the air battle or to discourage one, but then after that only have 3 of those bombers actually bomb a facility and risk dying to AA fire?

Q2:
The tactical bombers can be asked the same question. Can they be sent only as escorts, or must they bomb a facility if sent?

Maybe check the FAQ thread over in the global forum, or just ask. Again, I’m at work, and spent all my damn lunch time writing this post :p

Woops, I am wrong. And a co-worker I play with has a copy of the PDF on his machine.

Okay, from the rules:

Each industrial complex, air base, and naval base has its
own antiaircraft system. If there is an AAA (antiaircraft
artillery) unit in the targeted territory, don’t roll for
it. Those units are used to protect combat units. Each
complex and base rolls one die against each bomber
directly attacking it (regardless of the number of
bombers). For each “1” rolled, a bomber of the attacker’s
choice is immediately removed.

Emphasis mine. So, you still must subdivide into groups, but you can, indeed, choose which AA casualties you want to lose, per facility.

In response to my above to questions (Q1 and Q2),

After the air battle is complete, or if there were no
defending fighter interceptors, surviving fighter escorts
are considered to have retreated. They don’t participate
in the actual bombing raid, are not subject to antiaircraft
fire, and will remain in the territory until the Noncombat
Move phase. Any surviving attacking bombers carry out
the bombing raid. If the territory offers more than one
target, the bombers may be divided into groups, and each
assigned a specific target (tactical bombers may not attack
industrial complexes).

Emphasis mine. This could imply that any surviving bombers must carry out a bomber raid, but that is not entirely clear. It does not say anything about “may carry out”, either. So this is up for some bit of interpretation. By the direct, 100% syntactical reading of it, however, I would lean toward it meaning that they must. However, in the interest of what I think (which has no bearing on how it actually is), it makes more sense to have the player be able to decide to scrub the bombing mission if he so chose for any or all of the bombers present.

So I still have no answers for either of my questions. Maybe you can ask like I said, or check the FAQ thread?

@teslas:

-I think that yes, tac bombers can also throw 1’s in the air battle, but please look this up in the rules to be sure. I’d do it now but I’m at work. Maybe even cite the text and page number here in this thread if you want to be friendly so I can remember it for later.

Attacking tactical bombers do indeed roll 1’s. Whether or not they must continue on to bomb something, or may only do escort runs like fighters can, plays back on to my two questions above.

What we can do: manually correct.

Send what you’re going to send, and have the air battle, if any, take place. Then assign all of your tac/strat bombers to bomb the air base, regardless of what their actual target is.

The AA dice will be rolled for all of your planes. You will take losses. Ignore these losses. At the end of your combat move, replace them.

Then post here what groups of what planes you’re sending against which facilities. I will then use the in-game diceroller to roll the AA guns correctly. I will list the order in a thread for what facilities I rolled.

With those results, you can then use the ingame dice roller to roll for damage in the same order as I rolled AA.

Now, if you are just sending a bunch of strat bombers to the major factory, then we don’t have to do this at all, the way TripleA handles it is fine. If you’re going to be bombing the air base in moscow as well, then we’ll have to do this.

What all are you thinking about bombing? Maybe we don’t have to worry about all of that.