Pherman1215 (Axis) vs JWW (Allies +20)


  • Hold on, go to show history and go look at where those planes appear to be located at the start of USA.  It looks like they are in Morocco under that black line and that was the impression I was under.  If I knew they were in Algeria I would have landed Cyprus with Germany.


  • TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

    Game History

    Round: 5

    Purchase Units - Japanese
                Japanese buy 1 factory_minor, 3 fighters, 7 infantry and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 0 PUs;

    Combat Move - Japanese
                2 infantry moved from South Australia to New South Wales
                1 infantry moved from Western Australia to 56 Sea Zone
                1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 56 Sea Zone to 62 Sea Zone
                1 infantry moved from 62 Sea Zone to New South Wales
                1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 54 Sea Zone to New South Wales
                2 fighters moved from 61 Sea Zone to New South Wales
                2 bombers moved from Philippines to New South Wales
                2 tactical_bombers moved from 56 Sea Zone to New South Wales
                1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone
                2 infantry moved from Northern Territory to Queensland
                1 artillery, 3 infantry and 2 transports moved from 35 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
                1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from 54 Sea Zone to Queensland
                1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Philippines to 46 Sea Zone
                1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Philippines to 46 Sea Zone
                1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
                1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
                1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Philippines to 46 Sea Zone
                1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Philippines to Kiangsi
                1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Kiangsi
                1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kiangsi to Hunan
                1 bomber moved from Japan to Kweichow
                2 infantry moved from Anhwe to Kweichow
                2 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hunan
                1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Kiangsi
                1 fighter moved from Japan to Kiangsi
                1 tactical_bomber moved from Philippines to Kiangsi
                1 artillery moved from Anhwe to Kiangsi
                1 bomber moved from Japan to Kiangsi
                1 bomber moved from Japan to Kweichow

    Combat - Japanese
                Battle in 46 Sea Zone
                    Japanese attack with 1 destroyer, 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 3 tactical_bombers
                    Americans defend with 1 carrier; ANZAC defend with 1 fighter
                    Japanese win with 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 18
                    Casualties for Americans: 1 carrier
                    Casualties for ANZAC: 1 fighter
                    Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer
                Battle in Kweichow
                    Japanese attack with 2 bombers and 2 infantry
                    Chinese defend with 1 infantry
                    Japanese win, taking Kweichow from Chinese with 2 bombers and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                    Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
                Battle in New South Wales
                    Japanese attack with 2 bombers, 3 fighters, 3 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers
                    ANZAC defend with 2 aaGuns, 1 armour, 1 factory_minor, 1 fighter, 1 harbour and 1 mech_infantry
                    Japanese captures 12PUs while taking ANZAC capital
                    Japanese win, taking New South Wales from ANZAC with 2 bombers, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 14
                    Casualties for ANZAC: 2 aaGuns, 1 armour, 1 fighter and 1 mech_infantry
                    Casualties for Japanese: 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                Battle in Hunan
                    Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                    Chinese defend with 1 infantry
                    Japanese win, taking Hunan from Chinese with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                    Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
                    Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
                Battle in Kiangsi
                    Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                    British defend with 2 mech_infantrys
                    Japanese win, taking Kiangsi from Chinese with 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
                    Casualties for British: 2 mech_infantrys
                    Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry
                Battle in Queensland
                    Japanese attack with 1 artillery and 5 infantry
                    ANZAC defend with 1 airfield, 1 artillery, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
                    Japanese win, taking Queensland from ANZAC with 1 artillery and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                    Casualties for ANZAC: 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                    Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Japanese
                1 carrier moved from 61 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
                1 destroyer and 1 transport moved from 61 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
                1 carrier moved from 56 Sea Zone to 62 Sea Zone
                2 tactical_bombers moved from New South Wales to 62 Sea Zone
                1 destroyer moved from 54 Sea Zone to 62 Sea Zone
                2 bombers moved from New South Wales to South Australia
                1 fighter moved from New South Wales to South Australia
                1 fighter moved from 46 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
                1 tactical_bomber moved from New South Wales to South Australia
                2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 46 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
                1 carrier moved from 35 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
                2 tactical_bombers moved from 46 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
                2 bombers moved from Kweichow to Anhwe
                1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kiangsi to Anhwe
                1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Hunan to Anhwe
                8 infantry moved from Manchuria to Jehol
                1 submarine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
                1 artillery moved from Sumatra to 41 Sea Zone
                1 artillery, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 transport moved from 41 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
                2 fighters moved from 41 Sea Zone to Philippines
                1 fighter moved from New South Wales to South Australia

    Place Units - Japanese
                1 factory_minor placed in Shantung
                3 infantry placed in Manchuria
                3 fighters and 4 infantry placed in Japan
                1 submarine placed in 6 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - Japanese
                Japanese collect 58 PUs; end with 70 PUs total
                Objective Japanese 3 Control Honolulu Or Sydney Or Calcutta Or Western United States: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 75 PUs
                Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 80 PUs
                Turning on Edit Mode
                EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Syria: 2 infantry
                EDIT: Changing ownership of Cyprus from British to Germans
                EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Cyprus: 2 infantry
                EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Iraq: 1 fighter
                EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Syria: 1 fighter
                EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Iraq: 1 tactical_bomber
                EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Syria: 1 tactical_bomber
                EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode


  • Pending your OK I posted a new turn with the edit I’d like to make.


  • It has a German fighter and tactical landing in Syria and the 2 German inf landing in Cyprus instead of Syria.

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    @Pherman1215:

    It has a German fighter and tactical landing in Syria and the 2 German inf landing in Cyprus instead of Syria.

    this is funny


  • @JWW:

    @Pherman1215:

    It has a German fighter and tactical landing in Syria and the 2 German inf landing in Cyprus instead of Syria.

    this is funny

    why is this funny?

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    @Pherman1215:

    @JWW:

    @Pherman1215:

    It has a German fighter and tactical landing in Syria and the 2 German inf landing in Cyprus instead of Syria.

    this is funny

    why is this funny?

    I’ve been doing this here before 2006, many, many games in the league, was an active MOD for many years as well and I can’t recall such a request in the league or in any tourneys. But, as my mother always said it does’t hurt to ask, right? So after just reading your recent pm to me…the only outstanding issue is whether you want to submerge the G subs and your OOL for the navy.


  • Dude, you clearly need this win way more than I do. GG WP.  To be clear that I’m conceding in order so I can get as far away from you as I can and not because of any game state that exists.  Enjoy your ill-gotten gains I hope they make you happy.

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    @Pherman1215:

    To be clear that I’m conceding in order so I can get as far away from you as I can and not because of any game state that exists.

    hmmm, ok? How old are you, 12? Things didn’t work out perfectly with your reasonable request so you are taking your ball and going home? Oh boy….

    @Pherman1215:

    Enjoy your ill-gotten gains I hope they make you happy.

    “ill gotten gains” What did I do? YOU didn’t pay close enough attention and therefore YOU misread the map, YOU didn’t properly protect your navy or for that matter your ITA ground forces in SYR. And then you are sore because I don’t let you change everything after the fact to your advantage once the USA attacked?

    If you were unaware, in the league, versus the other gaming thread, we play for a ranking and possible playoff spot. If this were in the gaming thread, where I sometimes help new players get started, I would also have allowed the “oops & redo”. I honestly hope this hasn’t tainted your experience here, there are many great people here, including myself! Who enjoy “matching wits” etc in this crazy game we all seemingly love and hate at times. I hope you continue to play and have fun here, GL & Take care, JWW


  • Don’t act like you’re somehow representative of the community on here.  Everyone else I’ve played has been super chill and want to play peoples best game and are liberal with edits that are not the result of combat.  I give the edits both ways too.  I had an Italian can open on Smolensk and Moscow plunder the guy didn’t see until way after Russia’s turn and I let him go back and edit Russian inf there.  And that wasn’t even a result of poor game visual representations, he just simple missed it.  I didn’t play edit Nazis on tripleaA and I see no reason to play them here either.  It’s not worth the time or the headache.  I just let them think they have won, put them on my don’t play again list and move on with my life.

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    sorry for my intrusion here, but i have to say pherman made a perfectly reasonable request. looking at the history, i can see how the map can easily be misread, and i think it’s perfectly good sportsmanship to give your opponent the benefit of the doubt. we’re not playing for gold here. sure this league is competitive, but i really don’t think that should get to our heads and come in the way of our being gaming friends and a fun community of gamers.

    jww i hope you don’t take this the wrong way, i really am not wanting to take sides or anything. i have played both of you and i respect both of you as really solid players. i know you both about the same, so i have no reason to pick a side at the expense of the other. it’s my hope that you guys can agree to let this one flow under the bridge and keep a strong spirit of competitive but fun-first gaming going.

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    @Pherman1215:

    Don’t act like you’re somehow representative of the community on here.

    :? did this somehow offend you, I honestly hope this hasn’t tainted your experience here, there are many great people here, including myself! Who enjoy “matching wits” etc in this crazy game we all seemingly love and hate at times. I hope you continue to play and have fun here, GL & Take care, JWW

    @Pherman1215:

    Everyone else I’ve played has been super chill

    I guess I am guilty as charged, not “super chill”.  :lol:

    @Pherman1215:

    and want to play peoples best game

    Agreed, and perhaps your BEST GAME will now include being more observant so you don’t find yourself in these situations again.

    @Pherman1215:

    just let them think they have won, put them on my don’t play again list and move on with my life.

    Sounds like a wise philosophy my friend. Take care

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    Hello axis-dominion, I hope you are well

    @axis-dominion:

    sorry for my intrusion here, but i have to say pherman made a perfectly reasonable request.

    No need to apologize and I appreciate your opinion. Not that I need to provide clarification on my decision but in the league or in tourneys I simply draw the line at requests such as this, that are made a few turns down the road and only after after your opponent realizes their “blunder”. We all make mistakes such as this, I certainly do and I live with them once they get to this point. This is my internal guidebook and as all of our rules allow, I hold my opponents to the same standard. If that means I am not Super Chill, well then I am guilty as charged.  8-)

    @axis-dominion:

    i really don’t think that should get to our heads and come in the way of our being gaming friends and a fun community of gamers.

    I have been doing this here for WAY too long, played thousands of games against thousands of opponents and I have never found myself in this situation. You would be extremely hard pressed to find anyone that would say anything negative about my history here or doubt that I am not all about contributing to an active and fun gaming experience for all. I contribute both my time and money on this site. I welcome newbies and help them along and find their way. In my many years as an active MOD I have seen people throwing tantrums like this before, sorry, this qualifies as a tantrum. And typically the second or third tantrum is days, weeks, months away and then they leave. Time will tell if this is the last such issue for our gaming friend.

    @axis-dominion:

    i hope you don’t take this the wrong way, i really am not wanting to take sides or anything. i have played both of you and i respect both of you as really solid players. i know you both about the same, so i have no reason to pick a side at the expense of the other. it’s my hope that you guys can agree to let this one flow under the bridge and keep a strong spirit of competitive but fun-first gaming going.

    No worries brother, I can respect your opinion here. Ya know, It’s really quite simple. We have a set of rules, all we need to do is follow them…mistakes are made when we play, abide by the rules that govern us, get over your mistakes, I do &  carry on. simple…DarthMaximus and myself drafted our first set of league rules back in 08-09. Following them has served us well. No need to change now.


  • Yes you did in many ways. I particular by laughing at me when I asked for a perfectly reasonable edit.  But also I find your overly legalistic attitude nauseating.  I’ve also changed my mind about conceding.  The opportunity to whoop on you a bit before never playing you again sounds like too much fun.  OOL is max defense and lose subs if possible.

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    My unsolicited thoughts on what appears to be a pretty tight game…

    Had pherman known that the planes were all in algeria he would not likely have left his fleet to die at their hands.  While his request to change did come multiple turns down the road, it wasn’t until he was attacked by planes he thought could not reach that he realized his misreading of the map.  Tough one - I’ve been there.  I’ve learned to carefully confirm what is where on the map using the “territory” tool - when you don’t, things get into the gray which is where y’all are.  Hope you can work it out.


  • Just wanted to make sure you are aware that I did not post this game and that we’re continuing.


  • OK, I feel bad for getting personal I apologize.  Let’s have some détente.  You caught me off guard a bit by not allowing the edit and then trying to leverage back to Anzac’s turn in exchange.  It felt rather shallow to me, but I get that you don’t know me so the edit might be an issue to you.  I’m used to playing with people who know me and would have no problem with an edit like that.  Just proceed with your turn and let’s both agree to not get mouthy about it again.

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    I trust you can agree to these terms going forward?

    Editing

    • We agree to allow any ncm or troop placement edits prior to the immediate next adversary players turn. i.e. Germany prior to Russia or America prior to Italy etc
    • The same rules would apply to -walk-in- combat movements.
    • All other edits are not allowed.

  • I understand that those are your terms on me.  I will still have a more liberal view on edits.  But I understand your position and we are good to go.

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    TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

    Game History

    Round: 5

    Purchase Units - Americans
                Americans buy 6 fighters and 2 submarines; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

    Combat Move - Americans
                8 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Algeria to 99 Sea Zone
                2 bombers moved from Morocco to 99 Sea Zone
                1 submarine moved from 81 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone

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