Strategic Bomber in air-to-air combat SBR:
Attack 1
Bombard IC or AB or NB damage: 2D6
Fighter in air-to-air combat SBR:
Attack 2
Defend 2
Tactical Bomber in air-to-air combat SBR:
Attack 1
Bombard AB or NB damage: 1D6
IC’s AAA: @1 against each Strategic Bomber
Naval Base or Air Base: @1 against each Strategic Bomber or Tactical bomber
Global 1940 SBR HRules SBR damage 1D6+2 / Interceptor Def @2
Global40 SBR HRules : 1 StB doing SBR without interceptor, damage 1D6+2 / HR SBR = Damage 2D6 (avg 7 IPCs)
1D6+2: + 4.583 - 2 = +2.583 IPCs damage/SBR run 2D6: + 5.833 - 2 = +3.833 IPCs damage/SBR run
G40 SBR HRules :1 StB A1 regular vs 1 Fg D2
1D6+2: + 4.723 - 5.333 = - 0.61 IPC. damage/SBR 2D6: + 5.556 - 5.333 = + 0.223 IPC. damage/SBR
G40 SBR HR: 1 StB A1 regular doing SBR against 2 intercepting Fgs D2
1D6+2: +3.704- 7.556 = - 3.852 IPCs damage/SBR 2D6: +4.260- 7.556 = - 3.296 IPCs damage/SBR
G40 SBR HR: 1 StB A1 & 1 Fg A2 doing SBR against 2 intercepting Fgs D2
1D6+2: + 9.074 - 8.667 = + 0.407 IPC damage/SBR 2D6: + 10.185 - 8.667 = + 1.518 IPC damage/SBR
G40 SBR HR: 2 StBs A1 regular doing SBR against 2 intercepting Fgs D2
1D6+2: +9.445 - 10.667 = - 1.222 IPCs damage/SBR 2D6: +11.112 - 10.667 = + 0.445 IPCs damage/SBR
G40 HR: 1 StB A1 & 1 Fg A2 doing SBR against 1 intercepting Fgs D2
1D6+2: + 9.027 - 5.333 = + 3.694 IPCs damage/SBR 2D6: + 10.277 - 5.333 = + 4.944 IPCs damage/SBR
G40 SBR HR: 2 StBs A1 regular doing SBR against 1 intercepting Fgs D2
1D6+2: +10.639 - 7.334 = + 3.304 IPCs damage/SBR 2D6: +12.722 - 7.334 = + 5.388 IPCs damage/SBR
Here is some maths evaluation to compare with other actual rules (provided in the above quote) :
Global40 SBR HRules : 1 StB doing SBR without interceptor, damage 1D6+2 / damage 2D6
Regular SBRs / with special HR bonus damage to IC when StB is killed by IC’s AAA
5/6 StB survived *3.5 IPCs = +2.917 IPCs /+1 IPC = +0.167 IPC
5/6 StB survived *4.5 IPCs = +3.75 IPCs /+1 IPC = +0.167 IPC
5/6 StB survived *5.5 IPCs = +4.583 IPCs /+2 IPCs = +0.333 IPC
5/6 StB survived *6.5 IPCs = +5.417 IPCs /+3 IPCs = +0.500 IPC
5/6 StB survived *7.0 IPCs = + 5.833 IPCs /+3 IPCs = +0.500 IPC
1/6 StB killed *12 IPCs = -2 IPCs
Regular SBRs / with special HR bonus damage to IC when StB is killed by IC’s AAA
1D6 (avg 3.5 IPCs): +2.917 - 2 = +0.917 IPCs damage/SBR / +1.084 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+1 (avg 4.5 IPCs): +3.750 - 2 = +1.750 IPCs damage/SBR / +1.917 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2 (avg 5.5 IPCs): +4.583 - 2 = +2.583 IPCs damage/SBR / +2.916 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+3 (avg 6.5 IPCs): +5.417 - 2 = +3.417 IPCs damage/SBR / +3.917 IPCs damage/SBR
2D6 (avg 7 IPCs): +5.833 - 2 = +3.833 IPCs damage/SBR / +4.333 IPCs damage/SBR
G40 SBR HRules :1 StB A1 regular vs 1 Fg D2
StB roll /Fg roll / AAA roll = odds casualties
1/62/66/6= 12/216 1 StB killed by AAA vs 1 Fg killed: 5.556%
1/64/61/6= 4/216 1 StB killed by AAA vs 1 Fg killed: 1.852%
1/64/65/6= 20/216 no casualty vs 1 Fg killed: 9.259%
5/62/66/6= 60/216 StB killed by Fg: 27.778%
5/64/61/6= 20/216 StB killed by AAA: 9.259%
5/64/65/6= 100/216 both survived: 46.296%
Results:
Bombard on IC 120/216= 55.556% * ((1+2)+(6+2) IPCs)/2= +5.5 IPCs) = + 3.056 IPCs
killing Fg 36/216= 16.667% *+10 IPC = + 1.667 IPC
StB killed 96/216= 44.444% *-12 IPCs = - 5.333 IPCs
/ Damage by StB killed by AAA: 24/216 = 11.111% * x =
*3.5 IPCs = +1.944 / +1 IPC = +0.111 IPC
*4.5 IPCs = +2.500 / +1 IPC = +0.111 IPC
*5.5 IPCs = +3.056 / +2 IPCs = +0.222 IPC
*6.5 IPCs = +3.611 / +3 IPCs = +0.333 IPC
*7.0 IPCs = +3.889 / +3 IPCs = +0.333 IPC
Regular SBRs / with special HR bonus damage to IC when StB is killed by IC’s AAA
1D6: +3.611 - 5.333 = -1.722 IPCs damage/SBR / -1.611 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+1: +3.75 - 5.333 = -1.583 IPCs damage/SBR / -1.472 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2: +4.723 - 5.333 = -0.61 IPC damage/SBR / -0.388 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+3: +5.278 - 5.333 = -0.055 IPCs damage/SBR / +0.278 IPCs damage/SBR
2D6: +5.556 - 5.333 = +0.223 IPC damage/SBR / +0.556 IPCs damage/SBR
G40 SBR HR: 1 StB A1 regular doing SBR against 2 intercepting Fgs D2
StBs rolls/interceptors Fgs roll/ AAA roll = odds casualties
1/620/366/6 = 120/1296 1 StB killed by Fg vs 1 Fg
1/616/361/6= 16/1296 1 StB killed by AAA vs 1 Fg
1/616/365/6 = 80/1296 no casualty vs 1 Fg
5/620/366/6 = 600/1296 1 StB killed by Fg vs no casualty
5/616/361/6 = 80/1296 1 StB killed by AAA vs no casualty
5/616/365/6 = 400/1296 no casualty at all
Results:
Bombard on IC: 480/1296= 37.037% * ((3+8) IPCs)/2= +5.5 IPCs) = +2.037 IPCs
Killing 1 Fg: 216/1296= 16.667% +10 IPCs = + 1.667 IPCs
1 StB killed: 816/1296= 62.963%-12 IPCs = - 7.556 IPCs
/ Damage by StB killed by AAA: 96/1296 = + 7.407% * x =
*3.5 IPCs = +1.296 / +1 IPC = +0.074 IPC
*4.5 IPCs = +1.667 / +1 IPC = +0.074 IPC
*5.5 IPCs = +2.037 / +2 IPCs = +0.148 IPC
*6.5 IPCs = +2.407 / +3 IPCs = +0.222 IPC
*7.0 IPCs = +2.593 / +3 IPCs = +0.222 IPC
Regular SBRs / with special HR bonus damage to IC when StB is killed by IC’s AAA
1D6: +2.963 - 7.556 = -4.593 IPCs damage/SBR / -4.519 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+1: +3.334 - 7.556 = -4.222 IPCs damage/SBR / -4.148 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2: +3.704 - 7.556 = -3.852 IPCs damage/SBR / -3.704 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+3: +4.074 - 7.556 = -3.482 IPCs damage/SBR / -3.260 IPCs damage/SBR
2D6: +4.260 - 7.556 = -3.296 IPCs damage/SBR / -3.074 IPCs damage/SBR
G40 SBR HR: 1 StB A1 & 1 Fg A2 doing SBR against 2 intercepting Fgs D2
StB+Fg rolls/interceptors Fgs roll/ AAA roll = odds casualties
2/364/366/6 = 48/7776 1 Fg and 1 StB killed by Fgs vs 2 Fgs
2/3616/361/6 = 32/7776 1 Fg killed and 1 StB killed by AAA vs 2 Fgs
2/3616/365/6 = 160/7776 1 Fg killed vs 2 Fgs
2/3616/361/6 = 32/7776 1 StB killed by AAA vs 2 Fgs
2/3616/365/6 = 160/7776 no casualty vs 2 Fgs
14/364/366/6 = 336/7776 1 Fg and 1 StB killed by Fgs vs 1 Fg
14/3616/361/6 = 224/7776 1 Fg and 1 StB killed by AAA vs 1 Fg
14/3616/365/6 = 1120/7776 1 Fg vs 1 Fg
14/3616/361/6= 224/7776 1 StB killed by AAA vs 1 Fg
14/3616/365/6 = 1120/7776 no casualty vs 1 Fg
20/364/366/6 = 480/7776 1 Fg and 1 StB killed by Fg vs no casualty
20/3616/361/6 = 320/7776 1 Fg and 1 StB killed by AAA vs no casualty
20/3616/365/6 = 1600/7776 1 Fg vs no casualty
20/3616/361/6 = 320/7776 1 StB killed by AAA vs no casualty
20/3616/365/6 = 1600/7776 no casualty at all
Results:
Bombard on IC: 5760/7776= 74.074%* ((1+2)+(6+2) IPCs)/2= +5.5 IPCs) = + 4.074 IPCs
Killing 2 Fgs: 432/7776= 2.778%+20 IPCs = + 1.111 IPC
Killing 1 Fg: 3024/7776= 27.778% +10 IPCs = + 3.889 IPCs
Fg killed: 2880/7776= 37.04%-10 IPCs = - 3.704 IPCs
StB killed: 576/7776= 7.41%-12 IPCs = - 0.889 IPCs
StB & Fg killed: 1440/7776=18.52%*-22 IPCs = - 4.074 IPCs
/ Damage by 1 StB killed by AAA: 1152/7776 = + 14.815% * x =
*3.5 IPCs = +2.593 / +1 IPC = +0.148 IPC
*4.5 IPCs = +3.333 / +1 IPC = +0.148 IPC
*5.5 IPCs = +4.074 / +2 IPCs = +0.296 IPC
*6.5 IPCs = +4.815 / +3 IPCs = +0.444 IPC
*7.0 IPCs = +5.185 / +3 IPCs = +0.444 IPC
Regular SBRs / with special HR bonus damage to IC when 1 StB is killed by IC’s AAA
1D6: +7.593 - 8.667 = -1.074 IPCs damage/SBR / -0.926 IPC damage/SBR
1D6+1: +8.333 - 8.667 = -0.334 IPC damage/SBR / -0.186 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2: +9.074 - 8.667 = +0.407 IPC damage/SBR / +0.703 IPC damage/SBR
1D6+3: +9.815 - 8.667 = +1.148 IPCs damage/SBR / +1.592 IPCs damage/SBR
2D6: +10.185 - 8.667 = +1.518 IPCs damage/SBR / +1.962 IPCs damage/SBR
G40 SBR HR: 2 StBs A1 regular doing SBR against 2 intercepting Fgs D2
StBs rolls/interceptors Fgs roll/ AAA roll = odds casualties
1/364/3636/36 = 144/46656 2 StBs killed by Fg vs 2 Fgs: 0.309%
1/3616/366/36 = 96/46656 1 StB killed by Fg and 1 StB killed by AAA vs 2 Fgs : 0.206%
1/3616/3630/36 = 480/46656 1 StB killed by Fg vs 2 Fgs : 1.029%
1/3616/361/36 = 16/46656 2 StBs killed by AAA vs 2 Fgs : 0.034%
1/3616/3610/36 = 160/46656 1 StB killed by AAA vs 2 Fgs : 0.343%
1/3616/3625/36 = 400/46656 no casualty vs 2 Fgs : 0.857%
10/364/3636/36 = 1440/46656 2 StBs killed by Fg vs 1 Fg: 3.086%
10/3616/366/36 = 960/46656 1 StB killed by Fg and 1 StB killed by AAA vs 1 Fg : 2.058%
10/3616/3630/36 = 4800/46656 1 StB killed by Fg vs 1 Fg : 10.288%
10/3616/361/36= 160/46656 2 StBs killed by AAA vs 1 Fg : 0.343%
10/3616/3610/36= 1600/46656 1 StB killed by AAA vs 1 Fg : 3.429%
10/3616/3625/36 = 4000/46656 no casualty vs 1 Fg : 8.573%
25/364/3636/36 = 3600/46656 2 StBs killed by Fg vs no casualty : 7.716%
25/3616/366/36 = 2400/46656 1 StB killed by Fg and 1 StB killed by AAA vs no casualty : 5.144%
25/3616/3630/36 = 12000/46656 1 StBs killed by Fg vs no casualty : 25.72%
25/3616/361/36 = 400/46656 2 StBs killed by AAA vs no casualty : 0.857%
25/3616/3610/36 = 4000/46656 1 StB killed by AAA vs no casualty : 8.573%
25/3616/3625/36 = 10000/46656 no casualty at all : 21.433%
Results:
2x Bombard on IC: 14400/46656= 30.864% * ((6+16) IPCs)/2= +11 IPCs) = + 3.395 IPCs / +14 IPCs= + 4.321 IPCs
1x Bombard on IC: 23040/46656= 49.383% * ((3+8) IPCs)/2= +5.5 IPCs) = +2.716 IPCs / +7 IPCs = + 3.457 IPCs
Killing 2 Fgs: 1296/46656= 2.778%+20 IPCs = + 0.556 IPC
Killing 1 Fg: 12960/46656= 27.778% +10 IPCs = + 2.778 IPCs
2 StBs killed: 9216/46656= 19.753%-24 IPCs = - 4.741 IPCs
1 StB killed: 23040/46656= 49.383%-12 IPCs = - 5.926 IPCs
/ Damage by 1 StB killed by AAA: 9216/46656 = + 19.753% * 1x = 2 StBs killed by AAA: 576/46656 = + 1.235% * 2x =
*+7/+3.5 IPCs = +2.160 /+1.728 / +1 IPC = +0.198 / +0.025 IPC
*+9/+4.5 IPCs = +2.778 / +2.222 / +1 IPC = +0.198 / +0.025 IPC
*+11/+5.5 IPCs = +3.395 / +2.716 / +2 IPCs = +0.396 / +0.049 IPC
*+13/+6.5 IPCs = +4.012 / +3.210 /+3 IPCs = +0.594 / +0.074 IPC
*+14/+7.0 IPCs = +4.321 / +3.457 / +3 IPCs = +0.594 / +0.074 IPC
Regular SBRs / with special HR bonus damage to IC when 1 StB is killed by IC’s AAA
1D6: +7.222 - 10.667 = -3.445 IPCs damage/SBR / -3.222 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+1: +8.334 - 10.667 = -2.333 IPC damage/SBR / -2.110 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2: +9.445 - 10.667 = -1.222 IPCs damage/SBR / -0.336 IPC damage/SBR
1D6+3: +10.556 - 10.667 = -0.111 IPC damage/SBR / +0.557 IPCs damage/SBR
2D6: +11.112 - 10.667 = +0.445 IPC damage/SBR / +1.113 IPCs damage/SBR
G40 HR: 1 StB A1 & 1 Fg A2 doing SBR against 1 intercepting Fgs D2
StB+Fg rolls/interceptors Fgs roll/ AAA roll = odds casualties
16/362/61/6= 32/1296 1 Fg killed and 1 StB killed by AAA vs 1 Fg
16/362/65/6= 160/1296 1 Fg killed vs 1 Fg
16/364/61/6= 64/1296 1 StB killed by AAA vs 1 Fg
16/364/65/6 = 320/1296 no casualty vs 1 Fg
20/362/61/6 = 40/1296 1 Fg and 1 StB killed by AAA vs no casualty
20/362/65/6 = 200/1296 1 Fg vs no casualty
20/364/61/6 = 80/1296 1 StB killed by AAA vs no casualty
20/364/65/6 = 400/1296 no casualty at all
Results:
Bombard on IC: 1080/1296 = 83.333% * ((1+2)+(6+2) IPCs)/2= +5.5 IPCs) = + 4.583 IPCs
Killing 1 Fg: 576/1296 = 44.444% +10 IPCs = + 4.444 IPCs
Fg killed: 360/1296 = 27.778%-10 IPCs = - 2.778 IPCs
StB killed: 144/1296 = 11.111%-12 IPCs = - 1.333 IPCs
StB & Fg killed: 72/1296 = 5.556%-22 IPCs = - 1.222 IPCs
/ Damage by 1 StB killed by AAA: 216/1296 = + 16.667% * x =
*3.5 IPCs = +2.917 / +1 IPC = +0.167 IPC
*4.5 IPCs = +3.750 / +1 IPC = +0.167 IPC
*5.5 IPCs = +4.583 / +2 IPCs = +0.333 IPC
*6.5 IPCs = +5.417 / +3 IPCs = +0.500 IPC
*7.0 IPCs = +5.833 / +3 IPCs = +0.500 IPC
Regular SBRs / with special HR bonus damage to IC when 1 StB is killed by IC’s AAA
1D6: +7.361 - 5.333 = +2.028 IPCs damage/SBR / +2.195 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+1: +8.194 - 5.333 = +2.861 IPCs damage/SBR / +3.028 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2: +9.027 - 5.333 = +3.694 IPCs damage/SBR / +4.027 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+3: +9.861 - 5.333 = +4.528 IPCs damage/SBR / +5.028 IPCs damage/SBR
2D6: +10.277 - 5.333 = +4.944 IPCs damage/SBR / +5.444 IPCs damage/SBR
G40 SBR HR: 2 StBs A1 regular doing SBR against 1 intercepting Fgs D2
StBs rolls/interceptors Fgs roll/ AAA roll = odds casualties
11/362/66/36 = 132/7776 1 StB killed by Fg and 1 StB killed by AAA vs 1 Fg
11/362/630/36 = 660/7776 1 StB killed by Fg vs 1 Fg
11/364/61/36 = 44/7776 2 StBs killed by AAA vs 1 Fg
11/364/610/36 = 440/7776 1 StB killed by AAA vs 1 Fg
11/364/625/36 = 1100/7776 no casualty vs 1 Fg
25/362/66/36 = 300/7776 1 StB killed by Fg and 1 StB killed by AAA vs no casualty
25/362/630/36 = 1500/7776 1 StBs killed by Fg vs no casualty
25/364/61/36 = 100/7776 2 StBs killed by AAA vs no casualty
25/364/610/36 = 1000/7776 1 StB killed by AAA vs no casualty
25/364/625/36 = 2500/7776 no casualty at all
Results:
2x Bombard on IC: 3600/7776= 46.296% * ((6+16) IPCs)/2= +11 IPCs) = + 5.093 IPCs / +14 IPCs= + 6.481 IPCs
1x Bombard on IC: 3600/7776= 46.296% * ((3+8) IPCs)/2= +5.5 IPCs) = + 2.546 IPCs / +7 IPCs = + 3.241 IPCs
Killing 1 Fg: 2332/7776= 29.999% +10 IPCs = + 3.00 IPCs
2 StBs killed: 576/7776= 7.407%-24 IPCs = - 1.778 IPCs
1 StB killed: 3600/7776= 46.296%*-12 IPCs = - 5.556 IPCs
/ Damage by 1 StB killed by AAA: 1872/7776 = + 24.074% * 1x = / 2 StBs killed by AAA: 144/7776 = + 1.852% * 2x =
*+7/+3.5 IPCs = +3.241 /+1.620 / +1 IPC = +0.241 / +0.037 IPC
*+9/+4.5 IPCs = +4.167 / +2.083 / +1 IPC = +0.241 / +0.037 IPC
*+11/+5.5 IPCs = +5.093 / +2.546 / +2 IPCs = +0.482 / +0.074 IPC
*+13/+6.5 IPCs = +6.019 / +3.009 /+3 IPCs = +0.722 / +0.111 IPC
*+14/+7.0 IPCs = +6.481 / +3.241 / +3 IPCs = +0.722 / +0.111 IPC
Regular SBRs / with special HR bonus damage to IC when 1 or 2 StBs are killed by IC’s AAA
1D6: +7.861 - 7.334 = +0.527 IPCs damage/SBR / +0.805 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+1: +9.250 - 7.334 = +1.916 IPCs damage/SBR / +2.194 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2: +10.639 - 7.334 = +3.304 IPCs damage/SBR / +3.860 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+3: +12.028 - 7.334 = +4.694 IPCs damage/SBR / +5.527 IPCs damage/SBR
2D6: +12.722 - 7.334 = +5.388 IPCs damage/SBR / +6.221 IPCs damage/SBR
SBR HRules : 2 StBs doing SBR without interceptor
Regular SBRs / with special HR bonus damage to IC when 1 or 2 STBs are killed by IC’s AAA
1D6 (avg 3.5 IPCs): +5.834 - 4 = +1.834 IPCs damage/SBR / +2.168 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+1 (avg 4.5 IPCs): +7.500 - 4 = +3.500 IPCs damage/SBR / +3.834 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2 (avg 5.5 IPCs): +9.166 - 4 = +5.166 IPCs damage/SBR / +5.832 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+3 (avg 6.5 IPCs): +10.834 - 4 = +6.834 IPCs damage/SBR / +7.834 IPCs damage/SBR
2D6 (avg 7 IPCs): +11.666 - 4 = +7.666 IPCs damage/SBR / +8.666 IPCs damage/SBR
@Baron:
Basically I never intercept. If Bombers were 0 and Fighters 1 then it would at least force the attacker to send more escorts, or maybe not force but encourage. IDK. I still like the idea of a scrambled fighter reducing a bombers dice roll by two on a 1:1 basis to encourage scrambling. Right now why do it unless you have the advantage?
Yeah, the bombers at 1 really sucks - they should be 0.
Unless I have some advantage in numbers, it seems like intercepting is only giving the attacker more opportunity to damage your force where it counts.
But it all depends on what’s going on in game… and if scrambling that fighter could mean allowing the Russians to place more units - maybe you do it. High risk game of Russian roulette.
@wittmann:
Afternoon Baron.
I would never intercept, if I had fewer planes than the attacker, unless he had no Fts in the battle and I could afford to lose (could replace) my losses.
As the agressor, I would also ensure I had a Ft to lose, if the defender had Fts which could intercept and would like 2 or 3 more planes than him.
As a rule, I don’t intercept, as the attacker can usually accompany his Bombers, with the canon fodder Fighters.
The new rules make it a raw deal for the defender. I do not like the change from Anniversary and 42, which saw the 2 in defence become a measly 1 in 1940.Hi, everyone.
A deeper question for all of you:
would you intercept or make a SBR on 1:1 ratio, if the following values were applied?
Or is this a major deterrent from the attacker POV?Defending interceptors get first strike @1 and always hit Bombers first, whether Tactical or Strategic (owner’s choice).
If intercepting, the Defender can also bring into combat his AAA units within the TT, each defend @1 against up to 1 plane.Strategic Bomber in air-to-air combat SBR:
Attack 1
Bombard IC or AB or NB damage: 1D6+2Fighter in air-to-air combat SBR:
Attack 1 First Strike
Defend 1 First Strike
Always hit Bombers first, whether Tactical or Strategic (owner’s choice).Tactical Bomber in air-to-air combat SBR:
Attack 1
Bombard AB or NB damage: 1D6It should be assumed that Tactical bombers can do escorting mission besides Strategic bombers, even when there is no Air Base or Naval Base.
Anti-Aircraft Artillery
Defense: 1 per unit and up to max 1 per enemy’s plane.
All Anti-Aircraft Artillery within the TT get 1@1 up to maximum of 1 defense roll per each attacking aircraft.
Planes’ casualties are the owner’s choice.
AAA unit can be chosen as casualty, if all defending interceptors are already taken as casualties.
If the territory is also under a regular attack, surviving AAA units can also be used against other airplanes, working as per OOB rules.IC’s AA gun: @1 against each Strategic Bomber
Naval Base or Air Base’s AA gun: @1 against each Strategic Bomber or Tactical bomber
G40.2 SBR HR
Bomber A1 Damage: 1D6+2
Fighter A1 First Strike D1 First Strike
I’m looking for a balance but more historical way of doing G40 SBR.
Would it be still balance and a good incentive for defender to intercept if the bombers are always the first hit amongst attacking planes?
Summary:
G1940 HR SBR with Fg A1 first strike D@1 first strike:
1 StB doing SBR without interceptor
Sum: 4.583 - 2 = +2.583 IPCs damage/StB
1 StB A1 against 1 Fg D1 first strike
Sum: + 5.208 - 3.667 = + 1.541 IPC damage/SBR run
1 StB A1 against 2 Fgs D1 first strike
Sum: + 4.340 - 5.056 = - 0.716 IPC damage/SBR run
1 StB A1 & 1 Fgs A1 first strike doing SBR against 2 intercepting Fg D1 first strike which always target bomber first
Sum: + 6.505 - 5.383= + 1.122 IPCs damage/SBR run
2 StB A1 against 2 Fgs D1 first strike
Sum: + 10.417 - 7.334 = + 3.083 IPCs damage/SBR run
1 StB A1 & 1 Fg A1 first strike doing SBR against 1 intercepting Fg D1 first strike which always target bomber first
Sum: + 6.875 - 3.667 = + 3.208 IPCs damage/SBR run
2 StB A1 against 1 Fg D1 first strike
Sum: + 11.227 - 5.666 = + 5.561 IPCs damage/SBR run
To get any conclusion about them, I must first make some stats table.
G1940 SBR with Fg A/D@1 first strike which always target bomber first:
1 StB doing SBR without interceptor
5/6 StB survived * 5.5 IPCs = 4.583 IPCs
1/6 StB killed *12 IPCs = -2 IPCsSum: 4.583 - 2 = +2.583 IPCs damage/StB
1 StB A1 against 1 Fg D1 first strike
StB roll / Fg roll / AAA roll = odds casualties
116= 6/216 1 StB killed by Fg vs no casualty
151= 5/216 1 StB killed by AAA vs 1 Fg killed
155= 25/216 no casualty vs 1 Fg killed516= 30/216 StB killed by Fg
551= 25/216 StB killed by AAA
555= 125/216 both survivedResults:
Bombard IC: 150/216= 69.444% * ((1+2)+(6+2)/2) IPCs= + 5.5 IPCs) = 3.819 IPCs
killing Fg: 30/216= 13.889% *+10 IPCs = + 1.389 IPC
StB killed: 66/216= 30.556% *-12 IPCs = - 3.667 IPCsSum: + 5.208 - 3.667 = + 1.541 IPC damage/SBR run
1 StB A1 against 2 Fgs D1 first strike
StB roll / Fg roll / AAA roll = odds casualties
1116= 66/216 1 StB killed by Fg vs no casualty
1251= 25/216 1 StB killed by AAA vs 1 Fg killed
1255= 125/216 no casualty vs 1 Fg killed5116= 330/216 StB killed by Fg
5251= 125/216 StB killed by AAA
5255= 625/216 both survivedResults:
Bombard IC: 750/1296= 57.87% * ((1+2)+(6+2)/2) IPCs= + 5.5 IPCs) = + 3.183 IPCs
killing 1 Fg: 150/1296= 11.574% *+10 IPCs = + 1.157 IPC
StB killed: 546/1296= 42.150% *-12 IPCs = - 5.056IPCsSum: + 4.340 - 5.056 = - 0.716 IPC damage/SBR run
1 StB A1 & 1 Fgs A1 first strike doing SBR against 2 intercepting Fg D1 first strike which always target bomber first
Interceptors Fgs roll/ StB+Fg rolls/ AAA roll = odds casualties
1/366/366/6 = 36/7776 1 Fg and 1 StB killed by Fgs vs 1 Fg
1/3630/366/6 = 180/7776 1 Fg and 1 StB killed by Fgs vs no casualty10/361/366/6 = 60/7776 1 StB killed by Fgs vs 2 Fgs
10/3610/366/6 = 600/7776 1 StB killed by Fgs vs 1 Fg
10/3625/366/6 = 1500/7776 1 StB killed by Fgs vs no casualty25/361/361/6 = 25/7776 1 StB killed by AAA vs 2 Fgs
25/361/365/6 = 125/7776 no casualty vs 2 Fgs
25/3610/361/6 = 250/7776 1 StB killed by AAA vs 1 Fg
25/3610/365/6 = 1250/7776 no casualty vs 1 Fg
25/3625/361/6 = 625/7776 1 StB killed by AAA vs no casualty
25/3625/365/6 = 3125/7776 no casualty at allResults:
Bombard on IC: 4550/7776 = 58.51% * ((3+8) IPCs)/2= +5.5 IPCs) = + 3.218 IPCs
Killing 1 Fg: 2136/7776 = 27.469%* +10 IPCs = + 2.747 IPCs
Killing 2 Fgs: 210/7776= 2.701* +20 IPCs = + 0.540 IPC
StB killed: 3060/7776 = 39.352%-12 IPCs = - 4.722 IPCs
StB & Fg killed: 216/7776 = 2.778%-22 IPCs = - 0.611 IPCsSum: + 6.505 - 5.383= + 1.122 IPCs damage/SBR run
1 StB A1 & 1 Fg A1 first strike doing SBR against 1 intercepting Fg D1 first strike which always target bomber first
StB+Fg rolls/interceptors Fgs roll/ AAA roll = odds casualties
11/361/66/6 = 66/1296 1 StB vs 1 Fg
11/365/61/6 = 55/1296 1 StB killed by AAA vs 1 Fg
11/365/65/6 = 275/1296 no casualty vs 1 Fg25/361/66/6 = 150/1296 1 StB vs no casualty
25/365/61/6 = 125/1296 1 StB killed by AAA vs no casualty
25/365/65/6 = 625/1296 no casualty at allResults:
Bombard on IC: 900/1296 = 69.444% * ((3+8) IPCs)/2= +5.5 IPCs) = + 3.819 IPCs
Killing 1 Fg: 396/1296 = 30.556%* +10 IPCs = + 3.056 IPCs
StB killed: 396/1296 = 30.556%*-12 IPCs = - 3.667 IPCsSum: + 6.875 - 3.667 = + 3.208 IPCs damage/SBR run
G40 HR Fg A1 regular D1 first strike 1 StB & 1 Fg A1 regular doing SBR against 1 intercepting Fg D1 first strike
interceptor Fg roll / Fg roll/ StB roll/ AAA roll = odds casualties
1611 = 6/1296 1 Fg killed and 1 StB killed by AAA vs 1 Fg
1615 = 30/1296 1 Fg killed vs 1 Fg
1651 = 30/1296 1 Fg killed and 1 StB killed by AAA vs no casualty
1655 = 150/1296 1 Fg killed vs no casualty5161 = 30/1296 1 StB killed by AAA vs 1 Fg
5165 = 150/1296 no casualty vs 1 Fg
5511 = 25/1296 1 StB killed by AAA vs 1 Fg
5515 = 125/1296 no casualty vs 1 Fg
5551 = 125/1296 1 StB killed by AAA vs no casualty
5555 = 625/1296 no casualty at allResults:
Bombard on IC: 1080/1296 = 83.333% * ((3+8) IPCs)/2= +5.5 IPCs) = + 4.583 IPCs
Killing 1 Fg: 366/1296 = 28.241%* +10 IPCs = + 2.824 IPCs
Fg killed: 180/1296 = 13.889%* -10 IPCs = - 1.389 IPCs
StB killed: 180/1296 = 13.889%-12 IPCs = - 1.667 IPCs
StB & Fg killed: 36/1296 = 2.778%-22 IPCs = - 0.611 IPCsSum: + 7.407 - 3.667 = + 3.740 IPCs damage/SBR run
2 StB A1 against 2 Fgs D1 first strike
Fg roll / StBs roll / AAA roll = odds casualties
1/3636/3636/36= 1296/46656 2 StBs killed by Fgs vs no casualty
106/366/36= 360/46656 1 StB killed by Fg and 1 StB by AAA vs 1 Fg killed
106/3630/36= 1800/46656 1 StB killed by Fg vs 1 Fg killed
1030/366/36= 1800/46656 1 StB killed by Fg and 1 StB by AAA vs no casualty
1030/3630/36= 9000/46656 1 StB killed by Fg vs no casualty251/361= 25/46656 2 StBs killed by AAA vs 2 Fgs
251/3610= 250/46656 1 StB killed by AAA vs 2 Fgs
251/3625= 625/46656 both survived vs 2 Fgs
2510/361= 250/46656 2 StBs killed by AAA vs 1 Fg
2510/3610= 2500/46656 1 StB killed by AAA vs 1 Fg
2510/3625= 6250/46656 both survived vs 1 Fg
2525/361= 625/46656 2 StBs killed by AAA vs no casualty
2525/3610= 6250/46656 1 StB killed by AAA vs no casualty
2525/3625= 15625/46656 no casualty at allResults:
2x Bombard IC: 22500/46656= 48.225%* ((2+4)+(12+4)/2) IPCs = + 11 IPCs) = + 5.305 IPCs
1x Bombard IC: 19800/46656= 42.438% * ((1+2)+(6+2)/2) IPCs= + 5.5 IPCs) = + 2.334 IPCs
Killing 1 Fg: 11160/46656= 23.920% *+10 IPCs = + 2.392 IPC
Killing 2 Fg: 900/46656= 1.929% * + 20 IPCs = + 0.386 IPCs
1 StB killed: 19800/46656= 42.438% *-12 IPCs = -5.093 IPCs
2 StB killed: 4356/46656 = 9.336% * -24 IPCs = -2.241 IPCs
Sum: + 10.417 - 7.334 = + 3.083 IPCs damage/SBR run2 StB A1 against 1 Fg D1 first strike
Fg roll / StBs roll / AAA roll = odds casualties
16/366/36= 36/7776 1 StB killed by Fg and 1 StB by AAA vs 1 Fg killed
16/3630/36= 180/7776 1 StB killed by Fg vs 1 Fg killed
130/366/36= 180/7776 1 StB killed by Fg and 1 StB by AAA vs no casualty
130/3630/36= 900/7776 1 StB killed by Fg vs no casualty511/361= 55/7776 2 StBs killed by AAA vs 1 Fg
511/3610= 550/7776 1 StB killed by AAA vs 1 Fg
511/3625= 1375/7776 both survived vs 1 Fg
525/361= 125/7776 2 StBs killed by AAA vs no casualty
525/3610= 1250/7776 1 StB killed by AAA vs no casualty
525/3625= 3125/7776 no casualty at allResults:
2x Bombard IC: 4500/7776= 57.870%* ((2+4)+(12+4)/2) IPCs = + 11 IPCs) = + 6.366 IPCs
1x Bombard IC: 2880/7776= 37.037% * ((1+2)+(6+2)/2) IPCs= + 5.5 IPCs) = + 2.037 IPCs
1 killing Fg: 2196/7776= 28.241% *+10 IPCs = + 2.824 IPC
1 StB killed: 2880/7776= 37.037% *-12 IPCs = - 4.444 IPCs
2 StB killed: 396/7776 = 5.093% * -24 IPCs = -1.222 IPCs
Sum: + 11.227 - 5.666 = + 5.561 IPCs damage/SBR run
G40 HR Fg A1 reg or first strike D1 first strike: 2 StBs A1 regular doing SBR against 1 intercepting Fgs D1 first strike
With optional limitation rule: in air-to-air combat, bombers cannot get more rolls than the numbers of defending Fgs interceptors.
StBs rolls/interceptors Fgs roll/ AAA roll = odds casualtiesFg roll / StBs roll / AAA roll = odds casualties
11/66/36= 6/7776 1 StB killed by Fg and 1 StB by AAA vs 1 Fg killed
11/630/36=30/7776 1 StB killed by Fg vs 1 Fg killed
15/66/36= 30/7776 1 StB killed by Fg and 1 StB by AAA vs no casualty
15/630/36= 150/7776 1 StB killed by Fg vs no casualty51/61= 5/7776 2 StBs killed by AAA vs 1 Fg
51/610= 50/7776 1 StB killed by AAA vs 1 Fg
51/625= 125/7776 both survived vs 1 Fg
55/61= 25/7776 2 StBs killed by AAA vs no casualty
55/610= 250/7776 1 StB killed by AAA vs no casualty
55/625= 625/7776 no casualty at allResults:
2x Bombard IC: 750/1296= 57.870%* ((2+4)+(12+4)/2) IPCs = + 11 IPCs) = + 6.366 IPCs
1x Bombard IC: 480/1296= 37.037% * ((1+2)+(6+2)/2) IPCs= + 5.5 IPCs) = + 2.037 IPCs
1 killing Fg: 216/1296= 16.667% *+10 IPCs = + 1.667 IPC
1 StB killed: 480/1296= 37.037% *-12 IPCs = - 4.444 IPCs
2 StB killed: 66/7776 = 5.093% * -24 IPCs = -1.222 IPCs
Sum: + 10.07 - 5.666 = + 4.404 IPCs damage/SBR run
Comparative summary:
G40 House Rule SBR giving all Fgs @1 first strike compared to G40 OOB SBR all planes @1.
G1940 HR SBR with Fg A/D@1 first strike:
1 StB doing SBR without interceptor
Sum: 4.583 - 2 = +2.583 IPCs damage/SBR run OOB: Sum: +4.583 - 2 = +2.583 IPCs damage/SBR run
1 StB A1 against 1 Fg D1 first strike
Sum: + 5.208 - 3.667 = + 1.541 IPC damage/SBR run OOB: Sum: + 5.486 - 3.667 = + 1.819 IPC damage/SBR run
1 StB A1 against 2 Fgs D1 first strike
Sum: + 4.340 - 5.056 = - 0.716 IPC damage/SBR run OOB: Sum: + 4.85 - 5.056 = - 0.206 IPCs damage/SBR run
1 StB A1 & 1 Fgs A1 first strike doing SBR against 2 intercepting Fg D1 first strike which always target bomber first
Sum: + 6.505 - 5.383= + 1.122 IPCs damage/SBR run OOB: Sum: +7.775 - 5.33 = + 2.445 IPCs damage/SBR run
2 StB A1 against 2 Fgs D1 first strike
Sum: + 10.417 - 7.334 = + 3.083 IPCs damage/SBR run OOB: Sum: +10.973 - 7.334 = + 3.639 IPCs damage/SBR run
1 StB A1 & 1 Fg A1 first strike doing SBR against 1 intercepting Fg D1 first strike which always target bomber first
Sum: + 6.875 - 3.667 = + 3.208 IPCs damage/SBR run OOB: Sum: + 7.639 - 3.667 = + 3.972 IPCs damage/SBR run
Sum: + 7.407 - 3.667 = + 3.740 IPCs damage/SBR run Fighter is first casualty.
2 StB A1 against 1 Fg D1 first strike
Sum: + 11.227 - 5.666 = + 5.561 IPCs damage/SBR run OOB: Sum: +11.459 - 5.666 = + 5.793 IPCs damage/SBR run
OK, everyone. I have some really big statements on a truly better SBR, and not so different from the basics OOB game mechanics.
First a few principles about what can make a good incentive to make SBR or to intercept an SBR attack.
1- A massive number of Strategic Bombers with each an attacking factor @1 is a pretty big deterrent for any TT with fewer Fighter defending @1.
This create an historical aberration in which all air defense stay grounded and let the bombers do the destruction over IC, AB and NB.
2- This situation is created by the fact that intercepting bombers is a worse situation than being bombed up to the maximum damage allowance. Loosing Fighters which can be useful on regular defense (@4) while achieving almost nothing to destroy incoming bombers is also a major deterrent.
3- For an optimized play, on statistical POV, a good player should ponder whether intercepting the bombers really lowering their odds of loosing IPCs over the other way of letting Bombers directly under IC’s AA gun fire. So, a player must calculate how many IPCs will be lost on average if he intercepts against how many direct bombing damage can be done against him.
4- To prevent the fear of massive attacking bombers (acting like fighters attacking enemy’s fighters) most of you people assumed that a Strategic bomber with an attack factor @0 is part of the whole solution. (I agree, so I make a lot of table to find the perfect balance in regard to the usual odds of G40 OOB SBR.)
They should be defenseless in dogfight. But with more destructive power.
5- To see if a given SBR mechanics could work, it should also compare the bare SBR value of Bombers raiding without interference and the TUV lost if a given number of Fighter(s) intercept(s) the bomber. To get an incentive mechanics, the defending player must see a real interest to intercept on a mathematical POV.
Here is the basic OOB reference with a single bomber making an OOB G40 SBR without interference:
1 StB doing SBR without interceptor
Sum: +4.583 - 2 = +2.583 IPCs damage/SBR run
In OOB situation, intercepting with a single Fighter gives lesser damage for the defender.
1 StB A1 against 1 Fg D1 damage: 1D6+2
Sum: + 5.486 - 3.667 = + 1.819 IPC damage/SBR run
And when an escort and an additional interceptor are part of the raid the maths say that it is almost similar to not intercept option (2.583 vs 2.445):
1 StB & 1 Fg A1 doing SBR against 2 intercepting Fgs D1 damage: 1D6+2
Sum: +7.775 - 5.33 = + 2.445 IPCs damage/SBR run
So, on a 1:1 basis, the actual system is broken since their is no real advantage for the defender to risk his precious fighters against such attack.
Here is the first system which I believe can create a better incentive to SBR or intercept without too much turmoil:
Strategic Bomber in air-to-air combat SBR:
Attack 0
Bombard IC or AB or NB damage: D6+3
Fighter in air-to-air combat SBR:
Attack 1
Defend 1
Tactical Bomber in air-to-air combat SBR:
Attack 1
Bombard AB or NB damage: 1D6
IC’s AA gun: @1 against each Strategic Bomber
Naval Base or Air Base’s AA gun: @1 against each Strategic Bomber or Tactical bomber
@Baron:
How can I be convincing? It is needed to compare a few situations between OOB and this new set of values.
First situation, risking a bomber? For the attacker, it is clearly better, the reward is basicaly near 1 IPC higher over OOB (+ 0.8 IPC):
3.417 IPCs/SBR against 2.583 IPCs/SBR.1 Strategic Bomber doing SBR against no interceptor
Sum: + 5.417 - 2 = +3.417 IPCs damage/SBR
OOB G40: +4.583 - 2 = +2.583 IPCs damage/SBRDoes it worth it to intercept? Of, course there is no risk against any number of bombers. Their attack factor is @0.
On a 1:1 ratio, the attacker can still have better odds (but less than OOB) and there is a chance he can loose the bomber. So intercepting is always better.1 Strategic Bomber A0 doing SBR against 1 interceptor D1
Sum: + 4.514 - 3.667 = + 0.847 IPC. damage/SBR
OOB G40: + 5.486 - 3.667 = + 1.819 IPC damage/SBRBut, usually the attacker have more tactical options and can choose what will be the ratio he will commit into the SBR. And he can wait a 2:1 ratio by bringing in an escorting Fighter:
1 Fighter A1 and 1 Strategic Bomber A0 doing SBR against 1 interceptor D1
Fg A1 D1 regular: + 7.084 - 3.667 = + 3.417 IPC damage/SBR
OOB G40: + 7.639 - 3.667 = + 3.972 IPCs damage/SBR
This show odds just a bit lower than OOB (a slightly better situation for defender) while the attacking escort provides the casualty buffer needed to make this case at similar odds as a no intercept situation. So, it is up to the defender to choose, both situations are similar: does he believe in his luck or not?When it is a 1:1 ratio with 1 escort against 2 intercepting Fgs, this new SBR values are much more tempting for an interception (1.6 IPCs vs 2.442 IPCs) and letting the bomber directly attack IC it would rise to 3.417 IPCs/SBR , but still 1 attacking Fighter acting as a casualty fodder is pretty acceptable:
1 Fighter A1 and 1 Strategic Bomber A0 doing SBR against 2 interceptors D1
Fg A1 D1 regular: + 6.933 - 5.333 = + 1.600 IPCs damage/SBR
OOB G40: +7.775 - 5.333 = + 2.442 IPCs damage/SBRAlso, this show that escorting 1 bomber (1.6 IPCs/SBR) gives as much reward than attacking only with bombers (1.693 IPCs/SBR):
2 Strategic Bombers A0 doing SBR against 2 interceptors D1
Sum: + 9.027 - 7.334 = + 1.693 IPCs damage/SBR
OOB G40: +10.973 - 7.334 = + 3.639 IPCs damage/SBROnly the 2:1 ratio is better with bombers only:
2 Strategic Bombers A0 doing SBR against 1 interceptor D1
Sum: + 9.930 - 5.666 = + 4.264 IPCs damage/SBR
OOB G40: +11.459 - 5.666 = + 5.793 IPCs damage/SBRbut now the defender will not fear to loose his single intercepting Fighter and will commit it to reduce the attackers odds:
2 Strategic Bombers doing SBR against no interceptor
Sum: + 10.834 - 4 = +6.834 IPCs damage/SBR
OOB G40: +9.167 - 4 = +5.167 IPCs damage/SBRNow, are you convinced that this little twist (bomber A0, +3 damage) will give more dog-fighting situations?
One last word about the chart down below.
It can be used to get pretty good average calculation for more complex situations:
3 bombers and 1 Fgs vs 3 Fgs. This can be obtained with 1 bomber+1 Fg against 2 Fgs and 2 bombers against 1 Fgs:1 Fighter A1 and 1 Strategic Bomber A0 doing SBR against 2 interceptors D1
Fg A1 D1 regular: + 6.933 - 5.333 = + 1.600 IPCs damage/SBR
+
2 Strategic Bombers A0 doing SBR against 1 interceptor D1
Sum: + 9.930 - 5.666 = + 4.264 IPCs damage/SBR
- 16.863 - 10.999 = + 5.864 IPCs/SBR
Which means: be prepare to loose either a bomber or a Fighter (-11 IPCs) and too inflict around 17 IPCs of damage, probably due to bombing.
Hope this can be found useful somehow.
@Baron:
Summary: StB A0 Damage: 1D6**+3**, Fg A1_fs_D1
1 Strategic Bomber doing SBR against no interceptor
Sum: + 5.417 - 2 = +3.417 IPCs damage/SBR
OOB G40: +4.583 - 2 = +2.583 IPCs damage/SBR1 Strategic Bomber A0 doing SBR against 1 interceptor D1
Sum: + 4.514 - 3.667 = + 0.847 IPC. damage/SBR
OOB G40: + 5.486 - 3.667 = + 1.819 IPC damage/SBR1 Strategic Bomber A0 doing SBR against 2 interceptors D1
Sum: + 3.762 - 5.056 = - 1.294 IPC. damage/SBR
OOB G40: + 4.85 - 5.056 = - 0.206 IPCs damage/SBR1 Fighter A1 First Strike and 1 Strategic Bomber A0 doing SBR against 2 interceptors D1
Sum: + 6.958 - 5.055 = + 1.903 IPC damage/SBR run
Fg A1_fs_D1 Bomber first: + 5.554 - 5.055 = + 0.499 IPC damage/SBR
StB A1 D6+3, Fg A1 D1 Bomber first: +7.094 - 5.333 = + 1.761 IPCs damage/StB
Fg A1 D1 regular: + 6.933 - 5.333 = + 1.600 IPC damage/SBR
OOB G40: +7.775 - 5.333 = + 2.442 IPCs damage/SBR2 Strategic Bombers A0 doing SBR against 2 interceptors D1
Sum: + 9.027 - 7.334 = + 1.693 IPCs damage/SBR
OOB G40: +10.973 - 7.334 = + 3.639 IPCs damage/SBR1 Fighter A1 First Strike and 1 Strategic Bomber A0 doing SBR against 1 interceptor D1
Sum: + 7.084 - 3.388 = + 3.696 IPC damage/SBR
Fg A1_fs_D1 Bomber first: + 6.331 - 3.389 = + 2.942 IPC damage/SBR
StB A1 D6+3, Fg A1 D1 Bomber first: +7.570 - 3.667 = + 3.903 IPCs damage/StB
Fg A1 D1 regular: + 7.084 - 3.667 = + 3.417 IPC damage/SBR
OOB G40: + 7.639 - 3.667 = + 3.972 IPCs damage/SBR2 Strategic Bombers A0 doing SBR against 1 interceptor D1
Sum: + 9.930 - 5.666 = + 4.264 IPCs damage/SBR
OOB G40: +11.459 - 5.666 = + 5.793 IPCs damage/SBR2 Strategic Bombers doing SBR against no interceptor
Sum: + 10.834 - 4 = +6.834 IPCs damage/SBR
OOB G40: +9.167 - 4 = +5.167 IPCs damage/SBR
There is another more challenging way to do SBR, for instance by always letting interceptor hit takes a bomber casualty before any escorting Fgs, but I will explain it on the next post.
A more historical depiction of SBR which keeps interesting odds compared to G40 OOB.
In this one, intercepting Fighters are targeting attacking Bombers (TcBs or StBs) first, then escorting Fighters.
There is also a combined arms bonus for Strategic bomber in air-to-air combat which is consistent with an older HR invented when talking about Bombers spamming strategies (Darken skies), see down below:
Strategic Bomber
Attack 3-4, gets A4 if paired 1:1 with Fighter
Defense 1
Move 6
Cost 12
Damage 1D6+3.
Tactical Bomber
Attack 4
Defense 3
Move 4
Cost 11
Damage 1D6.
Strategic Bomber in air-to-air combat SBR:
Attack 0 or 1 when paired 1:1 with Fighter
Bombard IC or AB or NB damage: D6+3
Fighter in air-to-air combat SBR:
Attack 1
Gives +1A to 1 Strategic Bomber when paired 1:1 with.
Defend 1
Always hit Bombers first, whether Tactical or Strategic (owner’s choice).
Tactical Bomber in air-to-air combat SBR:
Attack 1
Bombard AB or NB damage: 1D6
IC’s AA gun: @1 against each Strategic Bomber
Naval Base or Air Base’s AA gun: @1 against each Strategic Bomber or Tactical bomber
@Baron:
Summary: StB A0 Damage: 1D6**+3**, Fg A1_fs_D1
1 Strategic Bomber doing SBR against no interceptor
Sum: + 5.417 - 2 = +3.417 IPCs damage/SBR
OOB G40: +4.583 - 2 = +2.583 IPCs damage/SBR1 Strategic Bomber A0 doing SBR against 1 interceptor D1
Sum: + 4.514 - 3.667 = + 0.847 IPC. damage/SBR
OOB G40: + 5.486 - 3.667 = + 1.819 IPC damage/SBR1 Strategic Bomber A0 doing SBR against 2 interceptors D1
Sum: + 3.762 - 5.056 = - 1.294 IPC. damage/SBR
OOB G40: + 4.85 - 5.056 = - 0.206 IPCs damage/SBR1 Fighter A1 First Strike and 1 Strategic Bomber A0 doing SBR against 2 interceptors D1
Sum: + 6.958 - 5.055 = + 1.903 IPC damage/SBR run
Fg A1_fs_D1 Bomber first: + 5.554 - 5.055 = + 0.499 IPC damage/SBR
StB A1 D6+3, Fg A1 D1 Bomber first: +7.094 - 5.333 = + 1.761 IPCs damage/StB
Fg A1 D1 regular: + 6.933 - 5.333 = + 1.600 IPC damage/SBR
OOB G40: +7.775 - 5.333 = + 2.442 IPCs damage/SBR2 Strategic Bombers A0 doing SBR against 2 interceptors D1
Sum: + 9.027 - 7.334 = + 1.693 IPCs damage/SBR
OOB G40: +10.973 - 7.334 = + 3.639 IPCs damage/SBR1 Fighter A1 First Strike and 1 Strategic Bomber A0 doing SBR against 1 interceptor D1
Sum: + 7.084 - 3.388 = + 3.696 IPC damage/SBR
Fg A1_fs_D1 Bomber first: + 6.331 - 3.389 = + 2.942 IPC damage/SBR
StB A1 D6+3, Fg A1 D1 Bomber first: +7.570 - 3.667 = + 3.903 IPCs damage/StB
Fg A1 D1 regular: + 7.084 - 3.667 = + 3.417 IPC damage/SBR
OOB G40: + 7.639 - 3.667 = + 3.972 IPCs damage/SBR2 Strategic Bombers A0 doing SBR against 1 interceptor D1
Sum: + 9.930 - 5.666 = + 4.264 IPCs damage/SBR
OOB G40: +11.459 - 5.666 = + 5.793 IPCs damage/SBR2 Strategic Bombers doing SBR against no interceptor
Sum: + 10.834 - 4 = +6.834 IPCs damage/SBR
OOB G40: +9.167 - 4 = +5.167 IPCs damage/SBR
@Baron:
I like the idea of bomber A3 +1 when paired with a fighter Baron. It’s the same way TACs are used. Also like the idea of fighter intercepts and escorts A2.
The increased range would be bombers greatest asset as well as being able to hit factories.Nothing too radical and should be easy to adjust to.
I also like the +1 when no enemy planes are present as well.
I think deeper about this Strategic and Tactical Bomber issue.
I believe the right historically inspired rules for them should have been the following, but the StB was too iconic to make such a change:TACTICAL BOMBER
ATTACK 4
DEFENSE 3
MOVE 4
COST 11
Paired 1:1 with Tank, gives +1D to Tank (an historical point which I kept on defense to counter-balance the Attack @4 in all situations.)
TBR Attack 1 Damage 1D6STRATEGIC BOMBER
Attack 3 rise to 4
when no enemy’s plane (+1 Attack due to Air Supremacy bonus) or
when paired 1:1 with Fighter
Defense 1
Move 6
Cost 12
SBR Attack 1 Damage 1D6+2That way, when StBs are attacking a SZ without any Fighter support, then their attack value will be 3 while the defending Fg will keep their high Defense @4.
It will be only when they are paired with 1 Fighter escort per StB, that they can rise to an even combat Attack 4 against Defense @4.
I said more historical combat value because between TcBs and StBs, it seems to me that StBs were much more sitting duck than TcBs. So, it should have been StB which clearly needs a combined arms for Fighter support. Many TacBs types of Fg-bomber or Light-Bomber were able to fly without escort.
Here is what I would prefer as Fg unit to fix the other balance issue in SBR:
FIGHTER
Attack 3
Defense 4
Move 4
Cost 10
Gives +1A to StB when paired 1:1
SBR Attack 2 Defense 2
Working on the most balanced SBR with Fighter A2 D2, a complete table is needed to make any useful comparison:
Comparison of various SBR OOB & HRules StB A1 damage 1D6+2 /1D6+3 / 2D6 / Fg escort A2 Interceptor D2
SBR HRules : 1 StB doing SBR without interceptor, various damage:
D6+2 (avg 5.5 IPCs): : +4.583 - 2 = +2.583 IPCs damage/SBR
D6+3 (avg 6.5 IPCs): +5.417 - 2 = +3.417 IPCs damage/SBR
2D6 (avg 7 IPCs): : +5.833 - 2 = +3.833 IPCs damage/SBR
G40 OOB D6+2: +4.583 - 2 = +2.583 IPCs damage/SBR
Triple A 1942.2 D6 (avg 3.5 IPCs): +2.917 - 2 = +0.917 IPC damage/SBR
OOB 1942.2 D6: +2.917 - 2 = +0.917 IPC damage/SBR
1942.2 D6+2: +4.583 - 2 = +2.583 IPCs damage/SBR
SBR HRules :1 StB A1 vs 1 Fg D2
D6+2: +4.723 - 5.333 = -0.61 IPC. damage/SBR
D6+2 (First target: StB A1fs =2AA@1): +4.977 - 4.778 = +0.199 IPC damage/SBR
D6+3: +5.278 -5.333 = -0.055 IPC damage/SBR
D6+3 (First target: StB A1fs =2AA@1): +5.579 - 4.778 = +0.801 IPC damage/SBR
2D6: + 5.556 - 5.333 = +0.223 IPC. damage/SBR
2D6 (First target: StB A1fs =2AA@1): +5.880 - 4.778 = +1.102 IPCs damage/SBR
G40 OOB D6+2: + 5.486 - 3.667 = +1.819 IPC damage/SBR
Triple A 1942.2 D6: +3.69 - 3.667 = +0.023 IPC damage/SBR
OOB 1942.2 D6: +3.8 - 4.8 = -1 IPC damage/SBR
1942.2 D6+2: +4.977 - 4.778 = +0.199 IPC damage/StB
SBR HR: 1 StB A1 doing SBR against 2 intercepting Fgs D2
D6+2: +3.704- 7.556 = -3.852 IPCs damage/SBR
D6+2 (StB=2AA@1): +5.093- 7.556 = -2.463 IPCs damage/SBR
D6+2 (First target: StB A1fs =2AA@1): +5.659 - 6.321 = -0.662 IPCs damage/SBR
D6+3: +4.074- 7.556 = -3.482 IPCs damage/SBR
D6+3 (StB=2AA@1): +5.463 -7.556= -2.093 IPCs damage/SBR
D6+3 (First target: StB A1fs =2AA@1): +6.132 -6.321 = -0.189 IPCs damage/SBR
2D6: +4.260- 7.556 = -3.296 IPCs damage/SBR
2D6 (StB=2AA@1): +5.649- 7.556 = -1.907 IPCs damage/SBR
2D6 (First target: StB A1fs =2AA@1): +6.369 - 6.321 = +0.048 IPCs damage/SBR
G40 OOB D6+2: +4.85 - 5.056 = -0.206 IPCs damage/SBR
Triple A 1942.2 D6: +2.025 - 5.056 = -3.031 IPCs damage/SBR
OOB 1942.2 D6:+3.071 - 7.185 = -4.114 IPC. damage/SBR
1942.2 D6+2: +3.874 - 7.185 = -3.311 IPCs damage/SBR
SBR HR: 1 StB A1 & 1 Fg A2 doing SBR against 2 intercepting Fgs D2
D6+2: +9.074 - 8.667 = +0.407 IPC damage/SBR
D6+2 (StB=2AA@1): +10.648 - 8.667 = +1.981 IPC damage/SBR
D6+2 (First target: StB=2AA@1): +8.611 - 8.667 = -0.056 IPC damage/SBR
D6+2 (First target: StB A1fs =2AA@1): +8.965 - 7.556 = +1.409 IPC damage/SBR
D6+3: +9.815 - 8.667 = +1.148 IPC damage/SBR
D6+3 (StB=2AA@1): +11.389 - 8.667= +2.722 IPCs damage/SBR
D6+3 (First target: StB=2AA@1): +8.981 - 8.667 = +0.314 IPCs damage/SBR
D6+3 (First target: StB A1fs =2AA@1): +9.399 - 7.556 = +1.843 IPCs damage/SBR
2D6: +10.185 - 8.667 = +1.518 IPC damage/SBR
2D6 (StB=2AA@1): +11.759 - 8.667 = +3.092 IPCs damage/SBR
2D6 (First target: StB=2AA@1): +9.167- 8.667 = +0.500 IPCs damage/SBR
2D6 (First target: StB A1fs =2AA@1): +9.617- 7.556 = +2.061 IPCs damage/SBR
OOB G40 D6+2: +7.775 - 5.33 = +2.445 IPCs damage/SBR
Triple A 1942.2 D6: +6.155 - 5.33 = +0.825 IPC damage/SBR
OOB 1942.2 D6: +6.018 - 7.555 = -1.537 IPCs damage/SBR
1942.2 D6+2: +7.554 - 7.564 = -0.01 IPC damage/SBR
SBR HR: 2 StBs A1 doing SBR against 2 intercepting Fgs D2
D6+2: +9.445 - 10.667 = -1.222 IPCs damage/SBR
D6+2 (First target: StB A1fs =2AA@1): +9.954 - 9.556 = +0.398 IPC damage/StB
D6+3: +10.556 - 10.667 = -0.111 IPCs damage/SBR
D6+3 (First target: StB A1fs =2AA@1): +11.158 - 9.556 = +1.602 IPCs damage/SBR
2D6: +11.112 - 10.667 = +0.445 IPCs damage/SBR
2D6 (First target: StB A1fs =2AA@1): +11.760 - 9.556 = +2.204 IPCs damage/SBR
G40 OOB D6+2: +10.973 - 7.334 = +3.639 IPCs damage/SBR
Triple A 1942.2 D6: +8.195 - 7.334 = +0.861 IPC damage/SBR
OOB 1942.2 D6: +7.547 - 9.556 = -2.009 IPCs damage/SBR
1942.2 D6+2: +9.954 - 9.556 = +0.398 IPC damage/StB
SBR HR: 1 StB A1 & 1 Fg A2 doing SBR against 1 intercepting Fgs D2
D6+2: +9.027 - 5.333 = +3.694 IPCs damage/SBR
D6+2 (First target: StB=2AA@1): +7.500 -5.333 = +2.167 IPCs damage/SBR
D6+2 (First target: StB A1fs =2AA@1): +7.754 -4.777 = +2.977 IPCs damage/SBR
D6+3: +9.861 - 5.333 = +4.528 IPCs damage/SBR
D6+3 (First target: StB=2AA@1): +6.5= +8.055 -5.333 = +2.722 IPCs damage/SBR
D6+3 (First target: StB A1fs =2AA@1): +8.356 -4.777 = +3.579 IPCs damage/SBR
2D6: + 10.277 - 5.333 = +4.944 IPCs damage/SBR
2D6 (First target: StB=2AA@1): +8.333 -5.333 = +3 IPCs damage/SBR
2D6 (First target: StB A1fs =2AA@1): +8.657 -4.777 = +3.880 IPCs damage/SBR
G40 OOB D6+2: +7.639 - 3.667 = +3.972 IPCs damage/SBR
Triple A 1942.2 D6: +5.973 - 3.667 = +2.306 IPCs damage/SBR
OOB 1942.2 D6: +5.973 - 5.159 = +0.814 IPCs damage/SBR
1942.2 D6+2: +7.639 -5.159 = +2.480 IPCs damage/SBR
SBR HR: 2 StBs A1 doing SBR against 1 intercepting Fgs D2
D6+2: +10.639 - 7.334 = +3.304 IPCs damage/SBR
D6+2 (StB=2AA@1): +9.306 - 7.334 = +1.972 IPCs damage/SBR
D6+2 (First target: StB A1fs =2AA@1): +9.561 - 6.778 = +2.783 IPCs damage/SBR
D6+3: +12.027 - 7.334 = +4.693 IPCs damage/SBR
D6+3 (StB=2AA@1):+10.695 - 7.334 = +3.361 IPCs damage/SBR
D6+3 (First target: StB A1fs =2AA@1): +10.996 - 6.778 = +4.218 IPCs damage/SBR
2D6: +12.722 - 7.334 = +5.388 IPCs damage/SBR
2D6 (StB=2AA@1): +11.389 - 7.334 = +4.055 IPCs damage/SBR
2D6 (First target: StB A1fs =2AA@1): +11.714 - 6.778 = +4.936 IPCs damage/SBR
G40 OOB D6+2: +11.459 - 5.666 = +5.793 IPCs damage/SBR
Triple A 1942.2 D6: +8.403 - 5.666 = +2.737 IPCs damage/StB
OOB 1942.2 D6: +8.214 - 6.315 = +1.899 IPCs damage/SBR
1942.2 D6+2: +11.162 - 6.315 = +4.847 IPCs damage/SBR
SBR HRules : 2 StBs doing SBR without interceptor
D6+2 (avg 5.5 IPCs): +9.166 - 4 = +5.166 IPCs damage/SBR
D6+3 (avg 6.5 IPCs): +10.834 - 4 = +6.834 IPCs damage/SBR
2D6 (avg 7 IPCs): +11.666 - 4 = +7.666 IPCs damage/SBR
OOB G40 D6+2: +9.166 - 4 = +5.166 IPCs damage/SBR
Triple A 1942.2 D6: +5.834 - 4 = +1.834 IPCs damage/SBR
OOB 1942.2 D6: +5.834 - 4 = +1.834 IPCs damage/SBR
1942.2 D6+2: +9.166 - 4 = +5.166 IPCs damage/SBR
Working on the most balanced SBR with Fighter A2 D2, and the winner is…
A more historical depiction of SBR which keeps interesting odds compared to G40 OOB.
In this one, intercepting Fighters are targeting attacking Bombers (TcBs or StBs) first, then escorting Fighters.
There is also a special attack (as an AA gun @1 first strike against up to 2 Fighters) for each Strategic bomber (whichever the lesser number between Fgs or StBs) in air-to-air combat which provides some restriction about Bombers spamming strategies (Darken skies), see above chart for comparisons:
Strategic Bomber
Attack 4
Defense 1
Move 6
Cost 12
SBR or TBR damage 1D6+2.
Tactical Bomber
Attack 3-4
Defense 3
Move 4
Cost 11
TBR damage 1D6.
Fighter in air-to-air combat SBR:
Attack 2
Defend 2
Always hit Bombers as first target, whether Tactical or Strategic (owner’s choice).
Strategic Bomber in air-to-air combat SBR:
Attack 1 first strike* as an AA gun @1 against up to 2 intercepting Fighters, whichever the lesser
Bombard Industrial Complex or Air Base or Naval Base, damage: 1D6+2
Tactical Bomber in air-to-air combat SBR:
Attack 1 first strike
Bombard Air Base or Naval Base, damage: 1D6
IC’s AA gun: @1 against each Strategic Bomber
Naval Base or Air Base’s AA gun: @1 against each Strategic Bomber or Tactical bomber
I will explain sooner how I came to this conclusion.
Follow this line in each combat situation (fs= first strike):
D6+2 (First target: StB A1fs =2AA@1)
@Baron:
Working on the most balanced SBR with Fighter A2 D2, a complete table is needed to make any useful comparison:
Comparison of various SBR OOB & HRules StB A1 damage 1D6+2 / Fg escort A2 Interceptor D2SBR HRules : 1 StB doing SBR without interceptor, various damage:
D6+2 (avg 5.5 IPCs): : +4.583 - 2 = +2.583 IPCs damage/SBR
G40 OOB D6+2: +4.583 - 2 = +2.583 IPCs damage/SBR
1942.2 D6+2: +4.583 - 2 = +2.583 IPCs damage/SBRSBR HRules :1 StB A1 vs 1 Fg D2
D6+2 (First target: StB A1fs =2AA@1): +4.977 - 4.778 = +0.199 IPC damage/SBR
G40 OOB D6+2: + 5.486 - 3.667 = +1.819 IPC damage/SBR
1942.2 D6+2: +4.977 - 4.778 = +0.199 IPC damage/StBSBR HR: 1 StB A1 doing SBR against 2 intercepting Fgs D2
D6+2 (First target: StB A1fs =2AA@1): +5.659 - 6.321 = -0.662 IPCs damage/SBR
G40 OOB D6+2: +4.85 - 5.056 = -0.206 IPCs damage/SBR
1942.2 D6+2: +3.874 - 7.185 = -3.311 IPCs damage/SBRSBR HR: 1 StB A1 & 1 Fg A2 doing SBR against 2 intercepting Fgs D2
D6+2 (First target: StB A1fs =2AA@1): +8.965 - 7.556 = +1.409 IPC damage/SBR
OOB G40 D6+2: +7.775 - 5.33 = +2.445 IPCs damage/SBR
1942.2 D6+2: +7.554 - 7.564 = -0.01 IPC damage/SBRSBR HR: 2 StBs A1 doing SBR against 2 intercepting Fgs D2
D6+2 (First target: StB A1fs =2AA@1): +9.954 - 9.556 = +0.398 IPC damage/StB
G40 OOB D6+2: +10.973 - 7.334 = +3.639 IPCs damage/SBR
1942.2 D6+2: +9.954 - 9.556 = +0.398 IPC damage/StBSBR HR: 1 StB A1 & 1 Fg A2 doing SBR against 1 intercepting Fgs D2
D6+2 (First target: StB A1fs =2AA@1): +7.754 -4.777 = +2.977 IPCs damage/SBR
G40 OOB D6+2: +7.639 - 3.667 = +3.972 IPCs damage/SBR
1942.2 D6+2: +7.639 -5.159 = +2.480 IPCs damage/SBRSBR HR: 2 StBs A1 doing SBR against 1 intercepting Fgs D2
D6+2 (First target: StB A1fs =2AA@1): +9.561 - 6.778 = +2.783 IPCs damage/SBR
G40 OOB D6+2: +11.459 - 5.666 = +5.793 IPCs damage/SBR
1942.2 D6+2: +11.162 - 6.315 = +4.847 IPCs damage/SBRSBR HRules : 2 StBs doing SBR without interceptor
D6+2 (avg 5.5 IPCs): +9.166 - 4 = +5.166 IPCs damage/SBR
OOB G40 D6+2: +9.166 - 4 = +5.166 IPCs damage/SBR
1942.2 D6+2: +9.166 - 4 = +5.166 IPCs damage/SBR
Totally different suggestion I have been considering.
Bombers ALWAYS do their +2 damage, even if hit by AAA.
To make SBR more attractive.
You could consider this rule to offset your beefing up of fighters.
From a realistic standpoint it has always been gut-wrenching to send over 2 bombers and get snake-eyed. Knowing that you just sent over probably 1000 bombers and not a single bomb fell on anything important.
Totally different suggestion I have been considering.
Bombers ALWAYS do their +2 damage, even if hit by AAA.
To make SBR more attractive.You could consider this rule to offset your beefing up of fighters.
From a realistic standpoint it has always been gut-wrenching to send over 2 bombers and get snake-eyed. Knowing that you just sent over probably 1000 bombers and not a single bomb fell on anything important.
The main issue was about making an incentive for dogfight.
OOB G40 bombers are abusive against intercepting fighters.
If you feel the most repelling is the IC’s AA gun, this probably can be work out in the way you suggested, but clearly the attack factor of bomber will be probably zero to not be OP.
I will try to check out how this “D6+2 damage OR only +2 damage” can be calculated and what is a balance mechanics between StBs, escorts and interceptors.
The snake eyes are probably another non-neglectable deterrent aspect which can be most frustrating for attacking player.
A minimum damage sounds like a consolation prize, at least, it let’s the steam out a bit. :-)
Thanks.
Totally different suggestion I have been considering.
Bombers ALWAYS do their +2 damage, even if hit by AAA.
To make SBR more attractive.You could consider this rule to offset your beefing up of fighters.
From a realistic standpoint it has always been gut-wrenching to send over 2 bombers and get snake-eyed. Knowing that you just sent over probably 1000 bombers and not a single bomb fell on anything important.
Bombers ALWAYS do their +2 damage, even if hit by AAA.
Do you also imply when destroyed by interceptors, Bombers can still do +2 damage?
After a fast review, I think I would add your idea as integrated part of the above SBR HR, since it has a small statistical impact (approx. 3,00 IPCs/SBR instead of 2,583 IPCs/SBR.)
I would keep the +2 damage only if hit by AAA exclusively, when an interceptor hit bombers, it is destroyed with no compensation.
That way, it would provide an additional incentive to intercept bombers to wholy protect IC.
And this is a double lever effect.
Attacker will more willingly commit bombers and defender will be more incline to throw fighters against them.
And this is in addition to the fact, that interceptor’s hit must be on bombers first.
It is a much more interesting target.
Working on the most balanced SBR with Fighter A2 D2, a more complete table is needed to make for additional options:
Comparison of various SBR OOB & HRules StB A1 damage 1D6+2 /1D6+3 / 2D6 / Fg escort A2 Interceptor D2
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Here is the minimum damage for each StB killed by AAA according to SBR basic damage:
D6: +1 IPC
D6+1: +1 IPC
D6+2: +2 IPCs
D6+3: +3 IPCs
2D6:+3 IPCs
SBR HRules : 1 StB doing SBR without interceptor, various damage:
Regular SBRs / with special HR bonus damage to IC when STB is killed by IC’s AAA
1D6 (avg 3.5 IPCs): +2.917 - 2 = +0.917 IPCs damage/SBR / +1.084 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+1 (avg 4.5 IPCs): +3.750 - 2 = +1.750 IPCs damage/SBR / +1.917 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2 (avg 5.5 IPCs): +4.583 - 2 = +2.583 IPCs damage/SBR / +2.916 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+3 (avg 6.5 IPCs): +5.417 - 2 = +3.417 IPCs damage/SBR / +3.917 IPCs damage/SBR
2D6 (avg 7 IPCs): +5.833 - 2 = +3.833 IPCs damage/SBR / +4.333 IPCs damage/SBR
G40 OOB D6+2: +4.583 - 2 = +2.583 IPCs damage/SBR
Triple A 1942.2 D6: +2.917 - 2 = +0.917 IPC damage/SBR
OOB 1942.2 D6: +2.917 - 2 = +0.917 IPC damage/SBR
1942.2 D6+2: +4.583 - 2 = +2.583 IPCs damage/SBR
SBR HRules :1 StB A1 doing SBR against 1 intercepting Fg D2
Regular SBRs / with special HR bonus damage to IC when STB is killed by IC’s AAA
1D6: +3.611 - 5.333 = -1.722 IPCs damage/SBR / -1.611 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+1: +3.75 - 5.333 = -1.583 IPCs damage/SBR / -1.472 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2: +4.723 - 5.333 = -0.61 IPC damage/SBR / -0.388 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+3: +5.278 - 5.333 = -0.055 IPCs damage/SBR / +0.278 IPCs damage/SBR
2D6: +5.556 - 5.333 = +0.223 IPC damage/SBR / +0.556 IPCs damage/SBR
Regular SBRs (First target: StB A1_first strike_ =2AA@1) / with special HR bonus damage to IC when 1 StB is killed by IC’s AAA
1D6: +4.712 - 6.321 = -1.609 IPCs damage/SBR / -1.514 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+1: +4.375 - 4.778 = -0.403 IPC damage/SBR / -0.283 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2: +4.977 - 4.778 = +0.199 IPCs damage/SBR / +0.440 IPC damage/SBR
1D6+3: +5.579 - 4.778 = +0.801 IPCs damage/SBR / +1.162 IPCs damage/SBR
2D6: +5.880 - 4.778 = +1.102 IPCs damage/SBR / +1.463 IPCs damage/SBR
G40 OOB D6+2: + 5.486 - 3.667 = +1.819 IPC damage/SBR
Triple A 1942.2 D6: +3.69 - 3.667 = +0.023 IPC damage/SBR
OOB 1942.2 D6: +3.8 - 4.8 = -1 IPC damage/SBR
1942.2 D6+2: +4.977 - 4.778 = +0.199 IPC damage/StB
SBR HR: 1 StB A1 doing SBR against 2 intercepting Fgs D2
Regular SBRs / with special HR bonus damage to IC when StB is killed by IC’s AAA
1D6: +2.963 - 7.556 = -4.593 IPCs damage/SBR / -4.519 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+1: +3.334 - 7.556 = -4.222 IPCs damage/SBR / -4.148 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2: +3.704 - 7.556 = -3.852 IPCs damage/SBR / -3.704 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+3: +4.074 - 7.556 = -3.482 IPCs damage/SBR / -3.260 IPCs damage/SBR
2D6: +4.260 - 7.556 = -3.296 IPCs damage/SBR / -3.074 IPCs damage/SBR
D6+2 (StB=2AA@1): +5.093- 7.556 = -2.463 IPCs damage/SBR
D6+3 (StB=2AA@1): +5.463 -7.556= -2.093 IPCs damage/SBR
2D6 (StB=2AA@1): +5.649- 7.556 = -1.907 IPCs damage/SBR
First target: StB A1fs =2AA@1: as AA against up to 2 Fgs / with special HR bonus damage to IC when 1 StB is killed by IC’s AAA
1D6: +4.712 - 6.321 = -1.609 IPCs damage/SBR / -1.514 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+1: +5.186 - 6.321 = -1.135 IPC damage/SBR / -1.040 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2: +5.659 - 6.321 = -0.662 IPCs damage/SBR / -0.473 IPC damage/SBR
1D6+3: +6.132 -6.321 = -0.189 IPCs damage/SBR / +0.095 IPCs damage/SBR
2D6: +6.369 - 6.321 = +0.048 IPCs damage/SBR / +0.764 IPCs damage/SBR
G40 OOB D6+2: +4.85 - 5.056 = -0.206 IPCs damage/SBR
Triple A 1942.2 D6: +2.025 - 5.056 = -3.031 IPCs damage/SBR
OOB 1942.2 D6:+3.071 - 7.185 = -4.114 IPC. damage/SBR
1942.2 D6+2: +3.874 - 7.185 = -3.311 IPCs damage/SBR
SBR HR: 1 StB A1 & 1 Fg A2 doing SBR against 2 intercepting Fgs D2
Regular SBRs / with special HR bonus damage to IC when 1 StB is killed by IC’s AAA
1D6: +7.593 - 8.667 = -1.074 IPCs damage/SBR / -0.926 IPC damage/SBR
1D6+1: +8.333 - 8.667 = -0.334 IPC damage/SBR / -0.186 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2: +9.074 - 8.667 = +0.407 IPC damage/SBR / +0.703 IPC damage/SBR
1D6+3: +9.815 - 8.667 = +1.148 IPCs damage/SBR / +1.592 IPCs damage/SBR
2D6: +10.185 - 8.667 = +1.518 IPCs damage/SBR / +1.962 IPCs damage/SBR
D6+2 (StB=2AA@1): +10.648 - 8.667 = +1.981 IPC damage/SBR
D6+3 (StB=2AA@1): +11.389 - 8.667= +2.722 IPCs damage/SBR
2D6 (StB=2AA@1): +11.759 - 8.667 = +3.092 IPCs damage/SBR
(First target: StB=2AA@1): StB A1 as AAA against up to 2 Fgs / with special HR bonus damage to IC when 1 StB is killed by IC’s AAA
1D6: +7.870 - 8.667 = -0.797 IPCs damage/SBR / -0.723 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+1: +8.241 - 8.667 = -0.426 IPC damage/SBR / -0.352 IPCs damage/SBR
D6+2: +8.611 - 8.667 = -0.056 IPC damage/SBR / +0.092 IPC damage/SBR
1D6+3:+8.981 - 8.667 = +0.314 IPCs damage/SBR / +0.536 IPCs damage/SBR
2D6: +9.167- 8.667 = +0.500 IPCs damage/SBR / +0.722 IPCs damage/SBR
(First target: StB A1_first strike_ as AAA vs up to 2 Fgs) / with special HR bonus damage to IC when 1 StB is killed by IC’s AAA
1D6: +8.095 - 7.556 = +0.539 IPC damage/SBR / +0.626 IPC damage/SBR
1D6+1: +8.530 - 7.556 = +0.974 IPC damage/SBR / +1.061 IPCs damage/SBR
D6+2: 8.965 - 7.556 = +1.409 IPC damage/SBR / +1.583 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+3:+9.399 - 7.556 = +1.843 IPCs damage/SBR / +2.104 IPCs damage/SBR
2D6: +9.617- 7.556 = +2.061 IPCs damage/SBR / +2.322 IPCs damage/SBR
OOB G40 D6+2: +7.775 - 5.33 = +2.445 IPCs damage/SBR
Triple A 1942.2 D6: +6.155 - 5.33 = +0.825 IPC damage/SBR
OOB 1942.2 D6: +6.018 - 7.556 = -1.538 IPCs damage/SBR
1942.2 D6+2: +7.557 - 7.556 = +0.001 IPCs damage/StB
G40 SBR HR: 1 StB A1 & 1 Fg A2 doing SBR against 3 intercepting Fgs D2
1D6+2: +8.395 - 11.630 = -3.235 IPC damage/SBR / -2.988 IPC damage/SBR
Regular SBRs with special HR bonus damage to IC when 1 StB is killed by IC’s AAA
1D6: +7.160 - 11.630 = -4.470 IPCs damage/SBR / -4.347 IPC damage/SBR
1D6+1: +7.778 - 11.630 = -3.852 IPC damage/SBR / -3.729 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2: +8.395 - 11.630 = -3.235 IPC damage/SBR / -2.988 IPC damage/SBR
1D6+3: +9.012 - 11.630 = -2.618 IPCs damage/SBR / -2.248 IPCs damage/SBR
2D6: +9.321 - 11.630 = -2.309 IPCs damage/SBR / -1.939 IPCs damage/SBR
SBR HR: 2 StBs A1 doing SBR against 2 intercepting Fgs D2
Regular SBRs / with special HR bonus damage to IC when 1 StB or 2 STB are killed by IC’s AAA
1D6: +7.222 - 10.667 = -3.445 IPCs damage/SBR / -3.222 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+1: +8.334 - 10.667 = -2.333 IPC damage/SBR / -2.110 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2: +9.445 - 10.667 = -1.222 IPCs damage/SBR / -0.336 IPC damage/SBR
1D6+3: +10.556 - 10.667 = -0.111 IPC damage/SBR / +0.557 IPCs damage/SBR
2D6: +11.112 - 10.667 = +0.445 IPC damage/SBR / +1.113 IPCs damage/SBR
First target: StB A1 first strike, as AAA up to 2 Fgs / with special HR bonus damage to IC when 1 or 2 StBs are killed by IC’s AAA
1D6: +7.547 - 9.556 = -2.009 IPCs damage/SBR / -1.835 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+1: +8.751 - 9.556 = -0.805 IPCs damage/SBR / -0.631 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2: +9.954 - 9.556 = +0.398 IPCs damage/SBR / +0.746 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+3: +11.158 - 9.556 = +1.602 IPCs damage/SBR / +2.124 IPCs damage/SBR
2D6: +11.760 - 9.556 = +2.204 IPCs damage/SBR / +2.726 IPCs damage/SBR
G40 OOB D6+2: +10.973 - 7.334 = +3.639 IPCs damage/SBR
Triple A 1942.2 D6: +8.195 - 7.334 = +0.861 IPC damage/SBR
OOB 1942.2 D6: +7.547 - 9.556 = -2.009 IPCs damage/SBR
1942.2 D6+2: +9.954 - 9.556 = +0.398 IPC damage/StB
SBR HR: 1 StB A1 & 1 Fg A2 doing SBR against 1 intercepting Fgs D2
Regular SBRs / with special HR bonus damage to IC when 1 StB is killed by IC’s AAA
1D6: +7.361 - 5.333 = +2.028 IPCs damage/SBR / +2.195 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+1: +8.194 - 5.333 = +2.861 IPCs damage/SBR / +3.028 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2: +9.027 - 5.333 = +3.694 IPCs damage/SBR / +4.027 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+3: +9.861 - 5.333 = +4.528 IPCs damage/SBR / +5.028 IPCs damage/SBR
2D6: +10.277 - 5.333 = +4.944 IPCs damage/SBR / +5.444 IPCs damage/SBR
D6+2 (First target: StB=2AA@1): +7.500 -5.333 = +2.167 IPCs damage/SBR
D6+3 (First target: StB=2AA@1): +6.5= +8.055 -5.333 = +2.722 IPCs damage/SBR
2D6 (First target: StB=2AA@1): +8.333 -5.333 = +3 IPCs damage/SBR
(First target: StB A1fs =2AA@1): / with special HR bonus damage to IC when 1 StB is killed by IC’s AAA
1D6: +6.550 - 4.777 = +1.773 IPCs damage/SBR / +1.893 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+1: +7.152 - 4.777 = +2.375 IPCs damage/SBR / +2.495 IPCs damage/SBR
D6+2: +7.754 -4.777 =+2.977 IPCs damage/SBR / +3.218 IPC damage/SBR
1D6+3:+8.356 -4.777 = +3.579 IPCs damage/SBR / +3.940 IPCs damage/SBR
2D6: +8.657 -4.777 = +3.880 IPCs damage/SBR / +4.241 IPCs damage/SBR
G40 OOB D6+2: +7.639 - 3.667 = +3.972 IPCs damage/SBR
Triple A 1942.2 D6: +5.973 - 3.667 = +2.306 IPCs damage/SBR
OOB 1942.2 D6: +5.973 - 5.159 = +0.814 IPCs damage/SBR
1942.2 D6+2: +7.639 -5.159 = +2.480 IPCs damage/SBR
SBR HR: 2 StBs A1 doing SBR against 1 intercepting Fgs D2
Regular SBRs / with special HR bonus damage to IC when 1 or 2 StBs are killed by IC’s AAA
1D6: +7.861 - 7.334 = +0.527 IPCs damage/SBR / +0.805 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+1: +9.250 - 7.334 = +1.916 IPCs damage/SBR / +2.194 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2: +10.639 - 7.334 = +3.304 IPCs damage/SBR / +3.860 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+3: +12.028 - 7.334 = +4.694 IPCs damage/SBR / +5.527 IPCs damage/SBR
2D6: +12.722 - 7.334 = +5.388 IPCs damage/SBR / +6.221 IPCs damage/SBR
D6+2 (StB=2AA@1): +9.306 - 7.334 = +1.972 IPCs damage/SBR
D6+3 (StB=2AA@1):+10.695 - 7.334 = +3.361 IPCs damage/SBR
2D6 (StB=2AA@1): +11.389 - 7.334 = +4.055 IPCs damage/SBR
First target: StB A1 first strike, as AAA against up to 2 Fgs / with special HR bonus damage to IC when 1 or 2 StBs are killed by IC’s AAA
1D6: +6.690 - 6.778 = -0.088 IPCs damage/SBR / +0.153 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+1: +8.125 - 6.778 = +1.347 IPCs damage/SBR / +1.588 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2: +9.561 - 6.778 = +2.783 IPCs damage/SBR / +3.264 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+3: +10.996 - 6.778 = +4.218 IPCs damage/SBR / +4.940 IPCs damage/SBR
2D6: +11.714 - 6.778 = +4.936 IPCs damage/SBR / +5.658 IPCs damage/SBR
G40 OOB D6+2: +11.459 - 5.666 = +5.793 IPCs damage/SBR
Triple A 1942.2 D6: +8.403 - 5.666 = +2.737 IPCs damage/StB
OOB 1942.2 D6: +8.214 - 6.315 = +1.899 IPCs damage/SBR
1942.2 D6+2: +11.162 - 6.315 = +4.847 IPCs damage/SBR
SBR HRules : 2 StBs doing SBR without interceptor
Regular SBRs / with special HR bonus damage to IC when 1 or 2 STBs are killed by IC’s AAA
1D6 (avg 3.5 IPCs): +5.834 - 4 = +1.834 IPCs damage/SBR / +2.168 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+1 (avg 4.5 IPCs): +7.500 - 4 = +3.500 IPCs damage/SBR / +3.834 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2 (avg 5.5 IPCs): +9.166 - 4 = +5.166 IPCs damage/SBR / +5.832 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+3 (avg 6.5 IPCs): +10.834 - 4 = +6.834 IPCs damage/SBR / +7.834 IPCs damage/SBR
2D6 (avg 7 IPCs): +11.666 - 4 = +7.666 IPCs damage/SBR / +8.666 IPCs damage/SBR
OOB G40 D6+2: +9.166 - 4 = +5.166 IPCs damage/SBR
Triple A 1942.2 D6: +5.834 - 4 = +1.834 IPCs damage/SBR
OOB 1942.2 D6: +5.834 - 4 = +1.834 IPCs damage/SBR
1942.2 D6+2: +9.166 - 4 = +5.166 IPCs damage/SBR
@Baron:
Working on the most balanced SBR with Fighter A2 D2, and the winner is…
A more historical depiction of SBR which keeps interesting odds compared to G40 OOB.
In this one, intercepting Fighters are targeting attacking Bombers (TcBs or StBs) first, then escorting Fighters.There is also a special attack (as an AA gun @1 first strike against up to 2 Fighters) for each Strategic bomber (whichever the lesser number between Fgs or StBs) in air-to-air combat which provides some restriction about Bombers spamming strategies (Darken skies), see above chart for comparisons:
Strategic Bomber
Attack 4
Defense 1
Move 6
Cost 12
SBR or TBR damage 1D6+2.Tactical Bomber
Attack 3-4
Defense 3
Move 4
Cost 11
TBR damage 1D6.
Fighter in air-to-air combat SBR:
Attack 2
Defend 2
Always hit Bombers as first target, whether Tactical or Strategic (owner’s choice).Strategic Bomber in air-to-air combat SBR:
Attack 1 first strike* as an AA gun @1 against up to 2 intercepting Fighters, whichever the lesser
Bombard Industrial Complex or Air Base or Naval Base, damage: 1D6+2Tactical Bomber in air-to-air combat SBR:
Attack 1 first strike
Bombard Air Base or Naval Base, damage: 1D6IC’s AA gun: @1 against each Strategic Bomber
Naval Base or Air Base’s AA gun: @1 against each Strategic Bomber or Tactical bomber
I will explain sooner how I came to this conclusion.
Follow this line in each combat situation (fs= first strike):
D6+2 (First target: StB A1fs =2AA@1)@Baron:
Working on the most balanced SBR with Fighter A2 D2, a complete table is needed to make any useful comparison:
Comparison of various SBR OOB & HRules StB A1 damage 1D6+2 / Fg escort A2 Interceptor D2SBR HRules : 1 StB doing SBR without interceptor, various damage:
D6+2 (avg 5.5 IPCs): : +4.583 - 2 = +2.583 IPCs damage/SBR
G40 OOB D6+2: +4.583 - 2 = +2.583 IPCs damage/SBR
1942.2 D6+2: +4.583 - 2 = +2.583 IPCs damage/SBRSBR HRules :1 StB A1 vs 1 Fg D2
D6+2 (First target: StB A1fs =2AA@1): +4.977 - 4.778 = +0.199 IPC damage/SBR
G40 OOB D6+2: + 5.486 - 3.667 = +1.819 IPC damage/SBR
1942.2 D6+2: +4.977 - 4.778 = +0.199 IPC damage/StBSBR HR: 1 StB A1 doing SBR against 2 intercepting Fgs D2
D6+2 (First target: StB A1fs =2AA@1): +5.659 - 6.321 = -0.662 IPCs damage/SBR
G40 OOB D6+2: +4.85 - 5.056 = -0.206 IPCs damage/SBR
1942.2 D6+2: +3.874 - 7.185 = -3.311 IPCs damage/SBRSBR HR: 1 StB A1 & 1 Fg A2 doing SBR against 2 intercepting Fgs D2
D6+2 (First target: StB A1fs =2AA@1): +8.965 - 7.556 = +1.409 IPC damage/SBR
OOB G40 D6+2: +7.775 - 5.33 =+2.445 IPCs damage/SBR
1942.2 D6+2: +7.557 - 7.556 = +0.001 IPC damage/SBRSBR HR: 2 StBs A1 doing SBR against 2 intercepting Fgs D2
D6+2 (First target: StB A1fs =2AA@1): +9.954 - 9.556 = +0.398 IPC damage/StB
G40 OOB D6+2: +10.973 - 7.334 = +3.639 IPCs damage/SBR
1942.2 D6+2: +9.954 - 9.556 = +0.398 IPC damage/StBSBR HR: 1 StB A1 & 1 Fg A2 doing SBR against 1 intercepting Fgs D2
D6+2 (First target: StB A1fs =2AA@1): +7.754 -4.777 = +2.977 IPCs damage/SBR
G40 OOB D6+2: +7.639 - 3.667 = +3.972 IPCs damage/SBR
1942.2 D6+2: +7.639 -5.159 = +2.480 IPCs damage/SBRSBR HR: 2 StBs A1 doing SBR against 1 intercepting Fgs D2
D6+2 (First target: StB A1fs =2AA@1): +9.561 - 6.778 = +2.783 IPCs damage/SBR
G40 OOB D6+2: +11.459 - 5.666 = +5.793 IPCs damage/SBR
1942.2 D6+2: +11.162 - 6.315 = +4.847 IPCs damage/SBRSBR HRules : 2 StBs doing SBR without interceptor
D6+2 (avg 5.5 IPCs): +9.166 - 4 = +5.166 IPCs damage/SBR
OOB G40 D6+2: +9.166 - 4 = +5.166 IPCs damage/SBR
1942.2 D6+2: +9.166 - 4 = +5.166 IPCs damage/SBR
G40 SBR HR: 1 StB A1 & 1 Fg A2 doing SBR against 3 intercepting Fgs D2
1D6+2: +8.395 - 11.630 = -3.235 IPC damage/SBR / -2.988 IPC damage/SBR
G40 SBR HR: 1 StB A1 & 1 Fg A2 doing SBR against 3 intercepting Fgs D2
StB+Fg rolls/interceptors Fgs roll/ AAA roll = odds casualties
2/3656/2166/6 = 672/46656 1 Fg and 1 StB killed by Fgs vs 2 Fgs
2/3696/2161/6 = 192/46656 1 Fg killed and 1 StB killed by AAA vs 2 Fgs
2/3696/2165/6 = 960/46656 1 Fg killed vs 2 Fgs
2/3664/2161/6 = 128/46656 1 StB killed by AAA vs 2 Fgs
2/3664/2165/6 = 640/46656 no casualty vs 2 Fgs
14/3656/2166/6 = 4704/46656 1 Fg and 1 StB killed by Fgs vs 1 Fg
14/3696/2161/6 = 1344/46656 1 Fg and 1 StB killed by AAA vs 1 Fg
14/3696/2165/6 = 6720/46656 1 Fg vs 1 Fg
14/3664/2161/6= 896/46656 1 StB killed by AAA vs 1 Fg
14/3664/2165/6 = 4480/46656 no casualty vs 1 Fg
20/3656/2166/6 = 6720/46656 1 Fg and 1 StB killed by Fg vs no casualty
20/3696/2161/6 = 1920/46656 1 Fg and 1 StB killed by AAA vs no casualty
20/3696/2165/6 = 9600/46656 1 Fg vs no casualty
20/3664/2161/6 = 1280/46656 1 StB killed by AAA vs no casualty
20/3664/2165/6 = 6400/46656 no casualty at all
Results:
Bombard on IC: 28800/46656= 61.728%* ((1+2)+(6+2) IPCs)/2= +5.5 IPCs) = + 3.395 IPCs
Killing 2 Fgs: 2592/46656= 5.556%+20 IPCs = + 1.111 IPC
Killing 1 Fg: 18144/46656= 38.889% +10 IPCs = + 3.889 IPCs
Fg killed: 17280/46656= 37.037%-10 IPCs = - 3.704 IPCs
StB killed: 2304/46656= 4.938%-12 IPCs = - 0.593 IPCs
StB & Fg killed: 15552/46656= 33.333%*-22 IPCs = - 7.333 IPCs
/ Damage by 1 StB killed by AAA: 5760/46656 = + 12.346% * x =
*3.5 IPCs = +2.160 / +1 IPC = +0.123 IPC
*4.5 IPCs = +2.778 / +1 IPC = +0.123 IPC
*5.5 IPCs = +3.395 / +2 IPCs = +0.247 IPC
*6.5 IPCs = +4.012 / +3 IPCs = +0.370 IPC
*7.0 IPCs = +4.321 / +3 IPCs = +0.370 IPC
Regular SBRs with special HR bonus damage to IC when 1 StB is killed by IC’s AAA
1D6: +7.160 - 11.630 = -4.470 IPCs damage/SBR / -4.347 IPC damage/SBR
1D6+1: +7.778 - 11.630 = -3.852 IPC damage/SBR / -3.729 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2: +8.395 - 11.630 = -3.235 IPC damage/SBR / -2.988 IPC damage/SBR
1D6+3: +9.012 - 11.630 = -2.618 IPCs damage/SBR / -2.248 IPCs damage/SBR
2D6: +9.321 - 11.630 = -2.309 IPCs damage/SBR / -1.939 IPCs damage/SBR
@Baron:
Totally different suggestion I have been considering.
Bombers ALWAYS do their +2 damage, even if hit by AAA.
To make SBR more attractive.You could consider this rule to offset your beefing up of fighters.
From a realistic standpoint it has always been gut-wrenching to send over 2 bombers and get snake-eyed. Knowing that you just sent over probably 1000 bombers and not a single bomb fell on anything important.
Bombers ALWAYS do their +2 damage, even if hit by AAA.
Do you also imply when destroyed by interceptors, Bombers can still do +2 damage?After a fast review, I think I would add your idea as integrated part of the above SBR HR, since it has a small statistical impact (approx. 3,00 IPCs/SBR instead of 2,583 IPCs/SBR.)
I would keep the +2 damage only if hit by AAA exclusively, when an interceptor hit bombers, it is destroyed with no compensation.
That way, it would provide an additional incentive to intercept bombers to wholy protect IC.
And this is a double lever effect.
Attacker will more willingly commit bombers and defender will be more incline to throw fighters against them.
And this is in addition to the fact, that interceptor’s hit must be on bombers first.
It is a much more interesting target.
2 IPCs even for a destroyed Strategic bomber is not so overpowered, if we consider that SBR should be the main use of Bombers.
In regular combat, a bomber is rarely bring alone. There is usually fodder to fight against ground units.
An attack @4 out of 6 against 1 infantry at 3 IPCs give 4/6*3= 2 IPCs.
This means that a bomber on average is able to destroy 2 IPCs in a single combat, and there is often more than 1 combat round, to the contrary of SBR.
So, there is many interesting good points in your idea oztea, and it doesn’t require to change radically SBR to add into already working optimized SBR values.
The table above showed that even Fgs A2 D2 in air-to-air combat can stay within the, generous, parameters of G40 OOB SBR.
Nice work Baron. Good idea on the +2 Oz. I wonder if the interceptor hitting bmbr first is too much. A dozen fighters hitting at 2 could do some serious damage to a bmbr fleet. The interceptors might get slaughtered as well, but … Maybe hit bmbr first then alternate to escort? Or if the interceptors score more hits than the escorts the difference is applied to the bmbrs? Or just have it random?
3 bmbrs, 3 escorts against 4 interceptors. 1 hit for the bmbrs/escorts and 2 hits for the interceptors. 1 escort and 1 bmbr are killed. If the escort misses and the bmbr hits then both interceptor hits could be applied to bmbrs.
Hate to make things too complicated, but escorts would probably never get shot down, which doesn’t seem quite right.
Nice work Baron. Good idea on the +2 Oz. I wonder if the interceptor hitting bmbr first is too much. A dozen fighters hitting at 2 could do some serious damage to a bmbr fleet. The interceptors might get slaughtered as well, but … Maybe hit bmbr first then alternate to escort? Or if the interceptors score more hits than the escorts the difference is applied to the bmbrs? Or just have it random?
3 bmbrs, 3 escorts against 4 interceptors. 1 hit for the bmbrs/escorts and 2 hits for the interceptors. 1 escort and 1 bmbr are killed. If the escort misses and the bmbr hits then both interceptor hits could be applied to bmbrs.
Hate to make things too complicated, but escorts would probably never get shot down, which doesn’t seem quite right.
Thanks Barney,
To get an answer, we need to compare the SBR House rule with G40 OOB SBR.
To get the numbers in your example:
1 StB + 1 Fg against 2 Fgs interceptors
1 StB + 1 Fg against 1 Fg interceptor
1 StB + 1 Fg against 1 Fg interceptor.
House rule (Bomber target first, A1 first strike as an AAA against up to 2 Fgs, whichever the lesser.)
Regular SBR / with +2 special HR bonus damage to IC when STB is killed by IC’s AAA
1 StB +1 Fg vs 2 Fgs, 1D6+2: 8.965 - 7.556 = +1.409 IPC damage/SBR / +1.583 IPCs damage/SBR
1 StB +1 Fg vs 1 Fg, 1D6+2: +4.977 - 4.778 = +0.199 IPCs damage/SBR / +0.440 IPC damage/SBR
1 StB +1 Fg vs 1 Fg, 1D6+2: +4.977 - 4.778 = +0.199 IPCs damage/SBR / +0.440 IPC damage/SBR
SUM: +18.919 - 17.112 = +1.807 IPCs damage/SBR / +2.463 IPCs damage/SBR
With Oztea option: +19.575 -17.112 = +2.463 IPCs damage/SBR
1 StB +1 Fg vs 2 Fgs, G40 OOB: +7.775 - 5.33 = +2.445 IPCs damage/SBR
1 StB +1 Fg vs 1 Fg, G40 OOB: +7.639 - 3.667 = +3.972 IPCs damage/SBR
1 StB +1 Fg vs 1 Fg, G40 OOB: +7.639 - 3.667 = +3.972 IPCs damage/SBR
SUM: +23.053 - 12.664 = +10.389 IPCs damage/SBR
No intercept: 3 StBs = 7.749 IPCs damage/SBR
G40 OOB D6+2, 1 StB: +4.583 - 2 = +2.583 IPCs damage/SBR
1942.2 D6+2: +3.874 - 7.185 = -3.311 IPCs damage/SBR
1942.2 D6+2: +7.557 - 7.556 = +0.001 IPCs damage/StB
1942.2 D6+2: +7.557 - 7.556 = +0.001 IPCs damage/StB
SUM: +18.988 - 22.297 = -3.309 IPCs damage/StB
This HR with Oztea option is clearly positive and dangerous as well for both attacker and defender.
Under G40 OOB, you wouldn’t even risk interception, too bad odds: +10.389 IPCs instead of +7.749 IPCs damage/SBR for no intercept.
This HR SBR stay in positive for attacker and below the no intercept ceiling, making it a must to do so for defender:
Oztea option: +19.575 -17.112 = +2.463 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2 (avg 5.5 IPCs): +4.583 - 2 = +2.583 IPCs damage/SBR /
+2.916 IPCs damage/SBR*3= +8.748 IPCs if no interception.
The interceptors might get slaughtered as well, but …
Hate to make things too complicated, but escorts would probably never get shot down, which doesn’t seem quite right.
Thanks for your point.
You are assuming that you will always have more Strategic bombers than defending Fgs.
It is not always the case, especially when you bring Fighters escort and also Tactical Bombers.
Also, you can minimize somehow the damage to Strategic bomber (doing D6+2, minimum 2 if hit by AAA) by using Tactical (doing only D6, zero if hit by AAA) as fodder.
In this balance SBR HR, bombers are the bait but, with preemptive strike @1 for bombers and Fighter escort attacking @2, it is no piece of cake for the defender.
The defender know that he can exchange Fg interceptors (10 IPCs, defense @4) for bombers (12 IPCs, attack @4) when casualties are even on a 1:1.
But the attacker still get the damage on IC, AB and NB, with surviving bombers.
What is the point to intercept when you can never hit bombers if there is too much escorting fighters?
Your are trading a 10 IPCs (defense @4) for a 10 IPCs (attack @3). This is not as interesting from defender’s POV.
There will be no interception at all, most of the time.
The problem with AAs entire economic warfare model is, more often than not, the attacker runs the risk of losing more material in the bombing run than he causes in damage.
If you send in two bombers, and lose one to AA fire, you just lost 12 dollars and reduced your max damage from 16 to 8. Then, to add insult to injury you roll a 1 and do 3 damage.
SBR is a mess. I don’t think taking away the advantages for the attacker of bombers shooting in dogfight is a good idea, because it will just make SBR even worse of an option.
I have also for a while been dabbling in the concept of changing how AA works drastically that on rolls of ‘2’ it “scares away” an air unit. Meaning the unit simply doesn’t participate in combat but survives. A roll of ‘1’ would still be a kill shot. In all honestly this would eventually lead me to what my next idea was, which was another change. That facility AA can only “scare away” bombers, never kill them. and actual AAA gun pieces had to be at a factory to get kill shots during SBR and they fire after the dogfight step (if present). And even further (getting out of hand here) rolls of ‘1’ to hit during SBR count as a “hit” the bomber may allocate to a unit corresponding to their bombing target INSTEAD of damage.
So to summarize my wild and crazy SBR house rules.
Dogfight as normal. All air units fire at ‘1’ in one round.
AAA guns fire (if present) at Bombers/Tac Bombers only. Rolls of ‘1’ kill, rolls of ‘2’ “scare away” a bomber, forcing it to retreat.
Bombers select targets. Strategic bombers deal an automatic 2 damage to targets they select.
Facility AA fires. The weaker AA equipment can only deal “scare aways” on ‘1’ to bombers.
Bombers then roll for damage.
Rolls of ‘1’ count as bombing “hits”, all other rolls as pure damage.
An allocated hit can be:
If a factory was targeted, a land unit, AAA, Tank, Infantry, Mech, Artillery
If an Air Base was targeted, a Fighter, Bomber or Tactical Bomber
If an Port was targeted, an adjacent Sub, Transport, Destroyer, Cruiser, Carrier or Battleship.
This addition is bonkers, but has been on my mind for a while. Take it for what its worth.
The problem with AAs entire economic warfare model is, more often than not, the attacker runs the risk of losing more material in the bombing run than he causes in damage.
This addition is bonkers, but has been on my mind for a while. Take it for what its worth.
With your first idea, you cut a direct loss of 12 IPCs to 10 IPCs.
There must be some hazardous risk, it is part of the whole game.
Attacker can control a good part of it by choosing where and when making an attack or an SBR.
If you really feel that StBs doesn’t deliver enough damage, simply keep the mechanics and values I suggested and deal D6+3 damage with a 3 IPCs minimum, even if taken down by AA gun fire.
I selected D6+2, since it was an OOB value and in most configurations there is pretty positive odds.
Of course, they are no more as high as with G40 OOB SBR, but these odds (with attack and defense parity @1 between StBs and Fgs) were more deterrent to dogfight than incentive.
So, do you still feel that the OOB SBR at D6+2 wasn’t enough damaging for the risk involve with IC’s AA guns, from an attacker POV?
From an attackers POV he can lose 12 IPCs or destroy 18 IPCs (if his bomber shoots down a dogfighter and rolls 6+2)
That’s a window of 30 ipcs that comes down to a few die rolls either saving you the game, or sending you up shit creek.
In all honesty, the bomber piece in AA should really be this
Bomber
8 IPCs
Attack 3 Defense 2 Move 6
Special Rule: Air Superiority - While a battle involves hostile enemy air units, bombers attack value is reduced to ‘2’ representing the interference from enemy aircraft.
Black Elk Strategic Bomber 5 IPC A1 D1
Strategic Bomber in air-to-air combat SBR:
Attack 1
Bombard IC or AB or NB damage: 1D6
Fighter in air-to-air combat SBR:
Attack 2
Defend 2
Tactical Bomber in air-to-air combat SBR:
Attack 1
Bombard AB or NB damage: 1D6
IC’s AAA: @1 against each Strategic Bomber
Naval Base or Air Base: @1 against each Strategic Bomber or Tactical bomber
Break even ratio: 2 StBs A1 C8 vs 3 Fgs D2: 2/3= 0.667 Stb/Fg [Diff. -0.166]
1 C8 vs 1 Fg 1D6+2: +4.723 - 3.556 = +1.167 IPCs damage/SBR1
1 C8 vs 2 Fgs 1D6+2: +3.704 - 5.037 = -1.333 IPCs damage/SBR1
Global40 SBR HRules : 1 StB doing SBR without interceptor, damage 1D6+2 / damage 1D6
5/6 StB survived *3.5 IPCs = +2.917 IPCs
5/6 StB survived *5.5 IPCs = +4.583 IPCs
1/6 StB killed *5 IPCs = -0.833 IPCs
1/6 StB killed *6 IPCs = -1 IPCs
1/6 StB killed *8 IPCs = -1.333 IPCs
Cost 5
1D6 (avg 3.5 IPCs): +2.917 - 0.833 = +2.084 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2 (avg 5.5 IPCs): +4.583 - 0.833 = +3.750 IPCs damage/SBR
Cost 6
1D6 (avg 3.5 IPCs): +2.917 - 1 = +1.917 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2 (avg 5.5 IPCs): +4.583 - 1 = +3.583 IPCs damage/SBR
Cost 8
1D6 (avg 3.5 IPCs): +2.917 - 1.333 = +1.584 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2 (avg 5.5 IPCs): +4.583 - 1.333 = +3.250 IPCs damage/SBR
G40 BMode
1D6+2: + 4.583 - 2 = +2.583 IPCs damage/SBR run
1 StB A1 regular vs 1 Fg D2
Cost 5
1D6: +3.611 - 2.222 = +1.389 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2: +4.723 - 2.222 = +2.501 IPC damage/SBR
Cost 6
1D6: +3.611 - 2.667 = +0.944 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2: +4.723 - 2.667 = +2.056 IPC damage/SBR
Cost 8
1D6: +3.611 - 3.556 = +0.055 IPC damage/SBR
1D6+2: +4.723 - 3.556 = +1.167 IPCs damage/SBR
G40 BMode
1D6+2:+ 4.723 - 5.333 = - 0.61 IPC damage/SBR
G40 OOB
1 StB A1 regular doing SBR against 2 intercepting Fgs D2
StBs rolls/interceptors Fgs roll/ AAA roll = odds casualties
Cost 5
1D6: +2.963 - 3.148 = -0.185 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2: +3.704 - 3.148 = +0.556 IPCs damage/SBR
Cost 6
1D6: +2.963 - 3.778 = -0.815 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2: +3.704 - 3.778 = -0.074 IPCs damage/SBR
Cost 8
1D6: +2.963 - 5.037 = -2.074 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2: +3.704 - 5.037 = -1.333 IPCs damage/SBR
G40 BMode
1D6+2: +3.704- 7.556 = - 3.852 IPCs damage/SBR
G40 OOB
+4.85 - 5.056 = -0.206 IPC damage/SBR
1 StB A1 & 1 Fg A2 doing SBR against 2 intercepting Fgs D2
StB+Fg rolls/interceptors Fgs roll/ AAA roll = odds casualties
Cost 5
1D6: +7.593 - 3.148 = +4.445 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2: +9.074 - 3.148 = +5.926 IPCs damage/SBR
Cost 6
1D6: +7.593 - 3.407 = +4.186 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2: +9.074 - 3.407 = +5.667 IPC damage/SBR
Cost 8
1D6: +7.593 - 3.926 = +3.667 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2: +9.074 - 3.926 = +5.148 IPCs damage/SBR
G40 BMode
1D6+2: + 9.074 - 8.667 = + 0.407 IPC damage/SBR
G40 OOB
+7.775 - 5.33 = +2.445 IPCs damage/SBR
2 StBs A1 regular doing SBR against 2 intercepting Fgs D2
StBs rolls/interceptors Fgs roll/ AAA roll = odds casualties
Cost 5
1D6: +7.222 - 4.444 = +2.778 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2: +9.445 - 4.444 = +5.001 IPCs damage/SBR
Cost 6
1D6: +7.222 - 5.333 = +1.889 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2: +9.445 - 5.333 = +4.112 IPCs damage/SBR
Cost 8
1D6: +7.222 - 7.083 = +0.139 IPC damage/SBR
1D6+2: +9.445 - 7.083 = +2.362 IPCs damage/SBR
G40 BMode
1D6+2: +9.445 - 10.667 = - 1.222 IPCs damage/SBR
G40 OOB
+10.973 - 7.334 = +3.639 IPCs damage/SBR
1 StB A1 & 1 Fg A2 doing SBR against 1 intercepting Fgs D2
StB+Fg rolls/interceptors Fgs roll/ AAA roll = odds casualties
Cost 5
1D6: +7.361 - 1.389 = +5.972 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2: +9.027 - 1.389 = +7.638 IPCs damage/SBR
Cost 6
1D6: +7.361 - 1.556 = +5.805 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2: +9.027 - 1.556 = +7.471 IPCs damage/SBR
Cost 8
1D6: +7.361 - 1.889 = +5.472 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2: +9.027 - 1.889 = +7.138 IPCs damage/SBR
G40 BMode
1D6+2: + 9.027 - 5.333 = + 3.694 IPCs damage/SBR
G40 OOB
+7.639 - 3.667 = +3.972 IPCs damage/SBR
2 StBs A1 regular doing SBR against 1 intercepting Fgs D2
StBs rolls/interceptors Fgs roll/ AAA roll = odds casualties
Cost 5
1D6: +7.861 - 3.056 = +4.805 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2: +10.639 - 3.056 = +7.583 IPCs damage/SBR
Cost 6
1D6: +7.861 - 3.667 = +4.194 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2: +10.639 - 3.667 = +6.972 IPCs damage/SBR
Cost 8
1D6: +7.861 - 4.889 = +2.972 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2: +10.639 - 4.889 = +5.750 IPCs damage/SBR
G40 BMode
1D6+2: +10.639 - 7.334 = + 3.304 IPCs damage/SBR
G40 OOB
+11.459 - 5.666 = +5.793 IPCs damage/SBR
2 StBs doing SBR without interceptor
Cost 5
1D6 (avg 3.5 IPCs): +5.834 - 1.667 = +4.167 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2 (avg 5.5 IPCs): +9.166 - 1.667 = +7.50 IPCs damage/SBR
Cost 6
1D6 (avg 3.5 IPCs): +5.834 - 2 = +3.834 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2 (avg 5.5 IPCs): +9.166 - 2 = +7.166 IPCs damage/SBR
Cost 8
1D6 (avg 3.5 IPCs): +5.834 - 2.667 = +3.167 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2 (avg 5.5 IPCs): +9.166 - 2.667 = +6.499 IPCs damage/SBR
G40 BMode
Global 1940 SBR BMode SBR damage 1D6+2 / Interceptor Def @2
1 StB doing SBR without interceptor, damage 1D6+2
1D6+2: + 4.583 - 2 = +2.583 IPCs damage/SBR run 1D6: + 5.833 - 2 = +3.833 IPCs damage/SBR run
1 StB A1 regular vs 1 Fg D2
1D6+2: + 4.723 - 5.333 = - 0.61 IPC. damage/SBR / 1D6: + 5.556 - 5.333 = + 0.223 IPC. damage/SBR
1 StB A1 regular doing SBR against 2 intercepting Fgs D2
1D6+2: +3.704- 7.556 = - 3.852 IPCs damage/SBR / 1D6: +4.260- 7.556 = - 3.296 IPCs damage/SBR
1 StB A1 & 1 Fg A2 doing SBR against 2 intercepting Fgs D2
1D6+2: + 9.074 - 8.667 = + 0.407 IPC damage/SBR / 1D6: + 10.185 - 8.667 = + 1.518 IPC damage/SBR
2 StBs A1 regular doing SBR against 2 intercepting Fgs D2
1D6+2: +9.445 - 10.667 = - 1.222 IPCs damage/SBR / 1D6: +11.112 - 10.667 = + 0.445 IPCs damage/SBR
1 StB A1 & 1 Fg A2 doing SBR against 1 intercepting Fgs D2
1D6+2: + 9.027 - 5.333 = + 3.694 IPCs damage/SBR / 1D6: + 10.277 - 5.333 = + 4.944 IPCs damage/SBR
2 StBs A1 regular doing SBR against 1 intercepting Fgs D2
1D6+2: +10.639 - 7.334 = + 3.304 IPCs damage/SBR / 1D6: +12.722 - 7.334 = + 5.388 IPCs damage/SBR
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Here is some maths evaluation to compare with other actual rules (provided in the above quote) :
1 StB doing SBR without interceptor, damage 1D6+2 / damage 1D6
5/6 StB survived *3.5 IPCs = +2.917 IPCs
5/6 StB survived *5.5 IPCs = +4.583 IPCs
1/6 StB killed *5 IPCs = -0.833 IPCs
1/6 StB killed *6 IPCs = -1 IPCs
1/6 StB killed *8 IPCs = -1.333 IPCs
Cost 5
1D6 (avg 3.5 IPCs): +2.917 - 0.833 = +2.084 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2 (avg 5.5 IPCs): +4.583 - 0.833 = +3.750 IPCs damage/SBR
Cost 6
1D6 (avg 3.5 IPCs): +2.917 - 1 = +1.917 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2 (avg 5.5 IPCs): +4.583 - 1 = +3.583 IPCs damage/SBR
Cost 8
1D6 (avg 3.5 IPCs): +2.917 - 1.333 = +1.584 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2 (avg 5.5 IPCs): +4.583 - 1.333 = +3.250 IPCs damage/SBR
1 StB A1 regular vs 1 Fg D2
StB roll /Fg roll / AAA roll = odds casualties
1/62/66/6= 12/216 1 StB killed by AAA vs 1 Fg killed: 5.556%
1/64/61/6= 4/216 1 StB killed by AAA vs 1 Fg killed: 1.852%
1/64/65/6= 20/216 no casualty vs 1 Fg killed: 9.259%
5/62/66/6= 60/216 StB killed by Fg: 27.778%
5/64/61/6= 20/216 StB killed by AAA: 9.259%
5/64/65/6= 100/216 both survived: 46.296%
Results:
D6 Bombard on IC … 120/216…*3.5 IPCs = +1.944 IPCs
D6+2 Bombard on IC 120/216= 55.556% * ((1+2)+(6+2) IPCs)/2= +5.5 IPCs) = + 3.056 IPCs
killing Fg 36/216= 16.667% *+10 IPC = + 1.667 IPC
StB killed 96/216= 44.444% *-5 IPCs = - 2.222 IPCs
OR
StB killed 96/216= 44.444% *-6 IPCs = - 2.667 IPCs
OR
StB killed 96/216= 44.444% *-8 IPCs = - 3.556 IPCs
Cost 5
1D6: +3.611 - 2.222 = +1.389 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2: +4.723 - 2.222 = +2.501 IPCs damage/SBR
Cost 6
1D6: +3.611 - 2.667 = +0.944 IPC damage/SBR
1D6+2: +4.723 - 2.667 = +2.056 IPCs damage/SBR
Cost 8
1D6: +3.611 - 3.556 = +0.055 IPC damage/SBR
1D6+2: +4.723 - 3.556 = +1.167 IPCs damage/SBR
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1 StB A1 regular doing SBR against 2 intercepting Fgs D2
StBs rolls/interceptors Fgs roll/ AAA roll = odds casualties
1/620/366/6 = 120/1296 1 StB killed by Fg vs 1 Fg
1/616/361/6= 16/1296 1 StB killed by AAA vs 1 Fg
1/616/365/6 = 80/1296 no casualty vs 1 Fg
5/620/366/6 = 600/1296 1 StB killed by Fg vs no casualty
5/616/361/6 = 80/1296 1 StB killed by AAA vs no casualty
5/616/365/6 = 400/1296 no casualty at all
Results:
D6 Bombard on IC … 480/1296…*3.5 IPCs = +1.296 IPCs
D6+2 Bombard on IC: 480/1296= 37.037% * ((3+8) IPCs)/2= +5.5 IPCs) = +2.037 IPCs
Killing 1 Fg: 216/1296= 16.667% +10 IPCs = + 1.667 IPCs
1 StB killed: 816/1296= 62.963%-5 IPCs = - 3.148 IPCs
OR
1 StB killed: 816/1296= 62.963%-6 IPCs = - 3.778 IPCs
OR
1 StB killed: 816/1296= 62.963%-8 IPCs = - 5.037 IPCs
Cost 5
1D6: +2.963 - 3.148 = -0.185 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2: +3.704 - 3.148 = +0.556 IPCs damage/SBR
Cost 6
1D6: +2.963 - 3.778 = -0.815 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2: +3.704 - 3.778 = -0.074 IPCs damage/SBR
Cost 8
1D6: +2.963 - 5.037 = -2.074 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2: +3.704 - 5.037 = -1.333 IPCs damage/SBR
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1 StB A1 & 1 Fg A2 doing SBR against 2 intercepting Fgs D2
StB+Fg rolls/interceptors Fgs roll/ AAA roll = odds casualties
2/364/366/6 = 48/7776 1 Fg and 1 StB killed by Fgs vs 2 Fgs
2/3616/361/6 = 32/7776 1 Fg killed and 1 StB killed by AAA vs 2 Fgs
2/3616/365/6 = 160/7776 1 Fg killed vs 2 Fgs
2/3616/361/6 = 32/7776 1 StB killed by AAA vs 2 Fgs
2/3616/365/6 = 160/7776 no casualty vs 2 Fgs
14/364/366/6 = 336/7776 1 Fg and 1 StB killed by Fgs vs 1 Fg
14/3616/361/6 = 224/7776 1 Fg and 1 StB killed by AAA vs 1 Fg
14/3616/365/6 = 1120/7776 1 Fg vs 1 Fg
14/3616/361/6= 224/7776 1 StB killed by AAA vs 1 Fg
14/3616/365/6 = 1120/7776 no casualty vs 1 Fg
20/364/366/6 = 480/7776 1 Fg and 1 StB killed by Fg vs no casualty
20/3616/361/6 = 320/7776 1 Fg and 1 StB killed by AAA vs no casualty
20/3616/365/6 = 1600/7776 1 Fg vs no casualty
20/3616/361/6 = 320/7776 1 StB killed by AAA vs no casualty
20/3616/365/6 = 1600/7776 no casualty at all
Results:
Bombard on IC: 5760/7776= 74.074%* ((1+2)+(6+2) IPCs)/2= +5.5 IPCs) = + 4.074 IPCs
Killing 2 Fgs: 432/7776= 2.778%*+20 IPCs = + 1.111 IPC
Killing 1 Fg: 3024/7776= 27.778% +10 IPCs = + 3.889 IPCs
Fg killed: 2880/7776= 37.04%-10 IPCs = - 3.704 IPCs
StB killed: 576/7776= 7.41%-5 IPCs = - 0.370 IPCs
StB & Fg killed: 1440/7776=18.52%-15 IPCs = - 2.778 IPCs
StB killed: 576/7776= 7.41%-6 IPCs = - 0.444 IPCs
StB & Fg killed: 1440/7776=18.52%-16 IPCs = - 2.963 IPCs
StB killed: 576/7776= 7.41%-8 IPCs = - 0.593 IPCs
StB & Fg killed: 1440/7776=18.52%-18 IPCs = - 3.333 IPCs
Cost 5
1D6: +7.593 - 3.148 = +4.445 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2: +9.074 - 3.148 = +5.926 IPCs damage/SBR
Cost 6
1D6: +7.593 - 3.407 = +4.186 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2: +9.074 - 3.407 = +5.667 IPCs damage/SBR
Cost 8
1D6: +7.593 - 3.926 = +3.667 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2: +9.074 - 3.926 = +5.148 IPCs damage/SBR
2 StBs A1 regular doing SBR against 2 intercepting Fgs D2
StBs rolls/interceptors Fgs roll/ AAA roll = odds casualties
1/364/3636/36 = 144/46656 2 StBs killed by Fg vs 2 Fgs: 0.309%
1/3616/366/36 = 96/46656 1 StB killed by Fg and 1 StB killed by AAA vs 2 Fgs : 0.206%
1/3616/3630/36 = 480/46656 1 StB killed by Fg vs 2 Fgs : 1.029%
1/3616/361/36 = 16/46656 2 StBs killed by AAA vs 2 Fgs : 0.034%
1/3616/3610/36 = 160/46656 1 StB killed by AAA vs 2 Fgs : 0.343%
1/3616/3625/36 = 400/46656 no casualty vs 2 Fgs : 0.857%
10/364/3636/36 = 1440/46656 2 StBs killed by Fg vs 1 Fg: 3.086%
10/3616/366/36 = 960/46656 1 StB killed by Fg and 1 StB killed by AAA vs 1 Fg : 2.058%
10/3616/3630/36 = 4800/46656 1 StB killed by Fg vs 1 Fg : 10.288%
10/3616/361/36= 160/46656 2 StBs killed by AAA vs 1 Fg : 0.343%
10/3616/3610/36= 1600/46656 1 StB killed by AAA vs 1 Fg : 3.429%
10/3616/3625/36 = 4000/46656 no casualty vs 1 Fg : 8.573%
25/364/3636/36 = 3600/46656 2 StBs killed by Fg vs no casualty : 7.716%
25/3616/366/36 = 2400/46656 1 StB killed by Fg and 1 StB killed by AAA vs no casualty : 5.144%
25/3616/3630/36 = 12000/46656 1 StBs killed by Fg vs no casualty : 25.72%
25/3616/361/36 = 400/46656 2 StBs killed by AAA vs no casualty : 0.857%
25/3616/3610/36 = 4000/46656 1 StB killed by AAA vs no casualty : 8.573%
25/3616/3625/36 = 10000/46656 no casualty at all : 21.433%
Results:
2x Bombard on IC: 14400/46656= 30.864% * ((6+16) IPCs)/2= +11 IPCs) = + 3.395 IPCs / *+7 = +2.160
1x Bombard on IC: 23040/46656= 49.383% * ((3+8) IPCs)/2= +5.5 IPCs) = +2.716 IPCs / +3.5 = +1.728
Killing 2 Fgs: 1296/46656= 2.778%+20 IPCs = + 0.556 IPC
Killing 1 Fg: 12960/46656= 27.778% *+10 IPCs = + 2.778 IPCs
2 StBs killed: 9216/46656= 19.753%-10 IPCs = - 1.975 IPCs
1 StB killed: 23040/46656= 49.383%-5 IPCs = - 2.469 IPCs
2 StBs killed: 9216/46656= 19.753%-12 IPCs = - 2.370 IPCs
1 StB killed: 23040/46656= 49.383%-6 IPCs = - 2.963 IPCs
2 StBs killed: 9216/46656= 19.753%-16 IPCs = - 3.132 IPCs
1 StB killed: 23040/46656= 49.383%-8 IPCs = - 3.951 IPCs
Cost 5
1D6: +7.222 - 4.444 = +2.778 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2: +9.445 - 4.444 = +5.001 IPCs damage/SBR
Cost 6
1D6: +7.222 - 5.333 = +1.889 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2: +9.445 - 5.333 = +4.112 IPCs damage/SBR
Cost 8
1D6: +7.222 - 7.083 = +0.139 IPC damage/SBR
1D6+2: +9.445 - 7.083 = +2.362 IPCs damage/SBR
1 StB A1 & 1 Fg A2 doing SBR against 1 intercepting Fgs D2
StB+Fg rolls/interceptors Fgs roll/ AAA roll = odds casualties
16/362/61/6= 32/1296 1 Fg killed and 1 StB killed by AAA vs 1 Fg
16/362/65/6= 160/1296 1 Fg killed vs 1 Fg
16/364/61/6= 64/1296 1 StB killed by AAA vs 1 Fg
16/364/65/6 = 320/1296 no casualty vs 1 Fg
20/362/61/6 = 40/1296 1 Fg and 1 StB killed by AAA vs no casualty
20/362/65/6 = 200/1296 1 Fg vs no casualty
20/364/61/6 = 80/1296 1 StB killed by AAA vs no casualty
20/364/65/6 = 400/1296 no casualty at all
Results:
D6: 83.333% * 3.5 = +2.917 IPCs
Bombard on IC: 1080/1296 = 83.333% * ((1+2)+(6+2) IPCs)/2= +5.5 IPCs) = + 4.583 IPCs
Killing 1 Fg: 576/1296 = 44.444% +10 IPCs = + 4.444 IPCs
Fg killed: 360/1296 = 27.778%-10 IPCs = - 2.778 IPCs
StB killed: 144/1296 = 11.111%-5 IPCs = - 0.556 IPCs
StB & Fg killed: 72/1296 = 5.556%-15 IPCs = - 0.8333 IPCs
StB killed: 144/1296 = 11.111%-6 IPCs = - 0.667 IPCs
StB & Fg killed: 72/1296 = 5.556%-16 IPCs = - 0.889 IPCs
StB killed: 144/1296 = 11.111%-8 IPCs = - 0.889 IPCs
StB & Fg killed: 72/1296 = 5.556%-18 IPCs = - 1.00 IPC
Cost 5
1D6: +7.361 - 1.389 = +5.972 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2: +9.027 - 1.389 = +7.638 IPCs damage/SBR
Cost 6
1D6: +7.361 - 1.556 = +5.805 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2: +9.027 - 1.556 = +7.471 IPCs damage/SBR
Cost 8
1D6: +7.361 - 1.889 = +5.472 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2: +9.027 - 1.889 = +7.138 IPCs damage/SBR
2 StBs A1 regular doing SBR against 1 intercepting Fgs D2
StBs rolls/interceptors Fgs roll/ AAA roll = odds casualties
11/362/66/36 = 132/7776 1 StB killed by Fg and 1 StB killed by AAA vs 1 Fg
11/362/630/36 = 660/7776 1 StB killed by Fg vs 1 Fg
11/364/61/36 = 44/7776 2 StBs killed by AAA vs 1 Fg
11/364/610/36 = 440/7776 1 StB killed by AAA vs 1 Fg
11/364/625/36 = 1100/7776 no casualty vs 1 Fg
25/362/66/36 = 300/7776 1 StB killed by Fg and 1 StB killed by AAA vs no casualty
25/362/630/36 = 1500/7776 1 StBs killed by Fg vs no casualty
25/364/61/36 = 100/7776 2 StBs killed by AAA vs no casualty
25/364/610/36 = 1000/7776 1 StB killed by AAA vs no casualty
25/364/625/36 = 2500/7776 no casualty at all
Results:
2x Bombard on IC: 3600/7776= 46.296% * ((6+16) IPCs)/2= +11 IPCs) = + 5.093 IPCs / +7 IPCs= +3.241 IPCs
1x Bombard on IC: 3600/7776= 46.296% * ((3+8) IPCs)/2= +5.5 IPCs) = + 2.546 IPCs / +3.5 IPCs = +1.620 IPCs
Killing 1 Fg: 2332/7776= 29.999% *+10 IPCs = + 3.00 IPCs
2 StBs killed: 576/7776= 7.407%-10 IPCs = - 0.741 IPCs
1 StB killed: 3600/7776= 46.296%-5 IPCs = - 2.315 IPCs
2 StBs killed: 576/7776= 7.407%-12 IPCs = - 0.889 IPCs
1 StB killed: 3600/7776= 46.296%-6 IPCs = - 2.778 IPCs
2 StBs killed: 576/7776= 7.407%-16 IPCs = - 1.185 IPCs
1 StB killed: 3600/7776= 46.296%-8 IPCs = - 3.704 IPCs
Regular SBRs
Cost 5
1D6: +7.861 - 3.056 = +4.805 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2: +10.639 - 3.056 = +7.583 IPCs damage/SBR
Cost 6
1D6: +7.861 - 3.667 = +4.194 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2: +10.639 - 3.667 = +6.972 IPCs damage/SBR
Cost 8
1D6: +7.861 - 4.889 = +2.972 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2: +10.639 - 4.889 = +5.750 IPCs damage/SBR
2 StBs doing SBR without interceptor
Cost 5
1D6 (avg 3.5 IPCs): +5.834 - 1.667 = +4.167 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2 (avg 5.5 IPCs): +9.166 - 1.667 = +7.50 IPCs damage/SBR
Cost 6
1D6 (avg 3.5 IPCs): +5.834 - 2 = +3.834 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2 (avg 5.5 IPCs): +9.166 - 2 = +7.166 IPCs damage/SBR
Cost 8
1D6 (avg 3.5 IPCs): +5.834 - 2.667 = +3.167 IPCs damage/SBR
1D6+2 (avg 5.5 IPCs): +9.166 - 2.667 = +6.499 IPCs damage/SBR
I’m happy if fighters are A2 D2, no first strike.
I actually think that damage from strat bombers should be 2d6-1. Would mostly roll about average, 6.
