XPAD2 Game 21 Dicer's Creed (axis) vs Team GARL (allies+12)

FYI

America and her allies are well aware that it’s nip killing time.

But due to moving on Sunday,  my forces haven’t been realigned yet. :p

Hoping to post tonight or tomorrow if possible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPCPw1dww3E

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 2

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Politics - Americans
            Trigger Americans War Production Western: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Americans in Western United States
            Trigger Americans War Production Central: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Americans in Central United States
            Trigger Americans War Production Eastern: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Americans in Eastern United States
            Trigger Americans War Production Western: Americans has 1 factory_major placed in Western United States
            Trigger Americans War Production Central: Americans has 1 factory_major placed in Central United States
            Trigger Americans War Production Eastern: Americans has 1 factory_major placed in Eastern United States

Combat Move - Americans
            Trigger Americans Unrestricted Movement: Setting movementRestrictionTerritories cleared  for rulesAttatchment attached to Americans
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 26 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 17 Sea Zone to Iwo Jima
            1 fighter moved from Guam to Iwo Jima
            1 bomber moved from Hawaiian Islands to 16 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from Hawaiian Islands to 16 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 26 Sea Zone to 16 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone

Combat - Americans
            Battle in Iwo Jima
                Americans attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                    Americans roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Iwo Jima, round 2 :  0/3 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Iwo Jima, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Iwo Jima
                    Americans roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 fighter in Iwo Jima, round 3 :  0/2 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Iwo Jima, round 3 :  0/1 hits
                    Americans roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 fighter in Iwo Jima, round 4 :  1/2 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Iwo Jima, round 4 :  1/1 hits
                    1 fighter owned by the Americans and 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Iwo Jima
                Americans win, taking Iwo Jima from Japanese with 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is -10
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Americans: 1 fighter and 1 infantry
            Battle in 16 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber
                Japanese defend with 1 destroyer
                    Americans roll dice for 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 16 Sea Zone, round 2 :  3/5 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyer in 16 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 destroyer owned by the Japanese lost in 16 Sea Zone
                Americans win with 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer

Non Combat Move - Americans
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 91 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to 89 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            2 fighters moved from 16 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 26 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 26 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone
            2 cruisers, 2 destroyers and 1 submarine moved from 26 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 16 Sea Zone to Midway
            1 bomber moved from 16 Sea Zone to Midway
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
            1 carrier, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry, 1 submarine and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
            1 destroyer moved from 54 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 56 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Western United States to Hawaiian Islands
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Central United States to Western United States
            1 armour moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone
            1 armour and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 86 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from 86 Sea Zone to Brazil
                  Americans take Brazil from Neutral_Allies
            1 fighter moved from Western United States to Wake Island
            1 submarine moved from 89 Sea Zone to 28 Sea Zone
            1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 101 Sea Zone to 28 Sea Zone

Place Units - Americans
            1 transport placed in 10 Sea Zone
            2 bombers, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber placed in Western United States

Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 55 PUs; end with 55 PUs total
            Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 60 PUs
            Objective Americans 4 Philippines: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 65 PUs
            Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 70 PUs
            Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 80 PUs

Dice Statistics:

Total
            1 was rolled 2 times
            2 was rolled 2 times
            3 was rolled 2 times
            4 was rolled 2 times
            5 was rolled 2 times
            6 was rolled 6 times
        Average roll : 4.125
        Median : 4.500
        Variance : 1.067
        Standard Deviation : 1.033
        Total rolls : 16

Japanese Combat
            1 was rolled 2 times
            5 was rolled 1 times
            6 was rolled 1 times
        Average roll : 3.250
        Median : 3.000
        Variance : 2.000
        Standard Deviation : 1.414
        Total rolls : 4

Americans Combat
            2 was rolled 2 times
            3 was rolled 2 times
            4 was rolled 2 times
            5 was rolled 1 times
            6 was rolled 5 times
        Average roll : 4.417
        Median : 4.500
        Variance : 1.273
        Standard Deviation : 1.128
        Total rolls : 12

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 2

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
            Chinese buy 5 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese
            2 infantry moved from Shensi to Kweichow
            2 infantry moved from Shensi to Hopei
            1 fighter moved from Shensi to Kweichow
            1 infantry moved from Shensi to Hopei

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 2

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
            Chinese buy 5 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese
            2 infantry moved from Shensi to Kweichow
            2 infantry moved from Shensi to Hopei
            1 fighter moved from Shensi to Kweichow
            1 infantry moved from Shensi to Hopei

Combat - Chinese
            Battle in Hopei
                Chinese attack with 3 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                    Chinese roll dice for 3 infantry in Hopei, round 2 :  1/3 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Hopei, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Hopei
                Chinese win, taking Hopei from Japanese with 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Battle in Kweichow
                Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                    Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Kweichow, round 2 :  1/3 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Kweichow, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Kweichow
                Chinese win, taking Kweichow from Japanese with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Chinese
            1 fighter moved from Kweichow to Shensi

Place Units - Chinese
            5 infantry placed in Shensi

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 8 PUs; end with 9 PUs total

Dice Statistics:

Total
            1 was rolled 3 times
            2 was rolled 4 times
            3 was rolled 3 times
            4 was rolled 3 times
            5 was rolled 4 times
            6 was rolled 7 times
        Average roll : 3.917
        Median : 4.000
        Variance : 0.522
        Standard Deviation : 0.722
        Total rolls : 24

Japanese Combat
            1 was rolled 2 times
            5 was rolled 2 times
            6 was rolled 2 times
        Average roll : 4.000
        Median : 5.000
        Variance : 1.200
        Standard Deviation : 1.095
        Total rolls : 6

Chinese Combat
            1 was rolled 1 times
            2 was rolled 2 times
            3 was rolled 1 times
            4 was rolled 1 times
            5 was rolled 1 times
        Average roll : 2.833
        Median : 2.500
        Variance : 0.400
        Standard Deviation : 0.632
        Total rolls : 6

Americans Combat
            2 was rolled 2 times
            3 was rolled 2 times
            4 was rolled 2 times
            5 was rolled 1 times
            6 was rolled 5 times
        Average roll : 4.417
        Median : 4.500
        Variance : 1.273
        Standard Deviation : 1.128
        Total rolls : 12

My ally reserves VETO right over the American Atlantic navies switch to the Pacific, and can send it back on his British turn.

Chinese Placement is also a possible adjustment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1A4dEGephw

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 2

Purchase Units - British
            British buy 1 armour, 1 carrier, 1 factory_minor and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific repair damage of 6x factory_major; Remaining resources: 15 PUs;
            UK_Pacific buy 5 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            1 battleship moved from 79 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 76 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Persia to 80 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 80 Sea Zone to Iraq
            1 infantry moved from Persia to Iraq
            1 armour moved from Egypt to Iraq
            1 mech_infantry moved from Egypt to Iraq
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Egypt to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
            1 bomber moved from Malta to Iraq
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan
            1 submarine moved from 97 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Malta to 96 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Iceland to United Kingdom

Combat - British
            Battle in 96 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
                Italians defend with 1 destroyer
                British win with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
                Casualties for British: 1 submarine
                Casualties for Italians: 1 destroyer
            Battle in Iraq
                British attack with 1 armour, 1 bomber, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                Neutral_Axis defend with 3 infantry
                British win, taking Iraq from Neutral_Axis with 1 armour, 1 bomber, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9
                Casualties for Neutral_Axis: 3 infantry
            Battle in Anglo Egyptian Sudan
                British attack with 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                Italians defend with 1 infantry
                British win, taking Anglo Egyptian Sudan from Italians with 1 artillery and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - British
            1 destroyer moved from 81 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Iraq to Persia
            1 mech_infantry moved from India to Eastern Persia
                  British take Eastern Persia from Neutral_Allies
            2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from India to Eastern Persia
            2 fighters moved from Eastern Persia to West India
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Eastern Persia to West India
            1 aaGun moved from India to West India
            1 artillery and 9 infantry moved from India to West India
            2 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to Rhodesia
            1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from 123 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 96 Sea Zone to Trans-Jordan

Place Units - British
            1 factory_minor placed in Persia
            1 carrier placed in 106 Sea Zone
            1 armour and 1 infantry placed in Union of South Africa

Turn Complete - British
            British collect 31 PUs; end with 31 PUs total

Place Units - UK_Pacific
            5 infantry placed in India
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from West India: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Burma: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific collect 14 PUs; end with 14 PUs total
            Some Units in India change ownership: 5 infantry

Hm, I may make a change here.

Hold on…

na, never mind

Did the sub engage in combat or get in a combat situation?

If not, then it was an illegal move, thus I think Garg would be entitled to change it.

Yeah, that sub did not engage in combat, so Garg can edit it.  I don’t know what difference it would make anyway.  He could have not moved it and then changed it on ncm as many times as he wanted.

Indeed, don’t we all make NCM on combat moves?  I do mostly just because I know I may forget something by the time I get to NCM…… I don’t have a problem with it.  :|

Well, it’s a small move, but important we get this sorted out since I make provisional NCMs on CM all the time.

My point is that it was illegal to move the sub anyway and should not have counted or been allowed, so it makes no sense in making Garg stick with an illegal move, regardless of the dice. The other way seems punitive.  Besides the remedy for an illegal move is to withdraw the move, not affirm it.

I vote that “provisional” NCMs made during combat moves can be changed regardless of dice. That is technically the rule anyway.

If we can’t get a consensus then we should submit to the moderator so we know where we stand going forward.

i haven’t looked at a map but noncoms made in combat can be taken back whenever because they are illegal, to my understanding.  obviously though, one should just never make them because of the confusion it can cause.