US Neutality

@azpathfinder said in IC in France Liberated by US - Upgrade?:

Can the US upgrade the factory in Normandy to a major IC and keep control of it (until Paris is liberated, at which point it would become a French IC)? Thereby allowing the US to build 10 … or are they restricted to building 3?

Rulebook Europe 1940.2 page 27:
“The industrial complex to be upgraded must be located on an originally controlled (not
captured) territory that you have controlled since the beginning of your turn and that has an IPC value of 3 or higher.”

Normandy Bordeaux - originally controlled by France - has an IPC value of only 2.
So two reasons why US can’t do what you intend.

@azpathfinder said in IC in France Liberated by US - Upgrade?:

Please only provide answers that support my opinion, because the other side (who also reads this forum) is filled with a bunch of cheaters and hooligans.

I can’t figure out which side seems to know the respective rules however.
So - sorry - just in case your opinion was against the rules. :wink:

cc: @SuperbattleshipYamato

I prefer the pressure to be on the axis to make things happen. Right now it is a little too easy for the axis to catch up in income.

Yes, yes, and yes. If I’m Germany, I try to spend 30 IPCs a round on Infantry, then scale back a little for more mobile units, then in the late game 10 per round again. Just as a general rule - game by game differs of course. They’re your best friend.

Japan would have to declare war at the beginning (before any units are moved) of its combat movement phase. So it would not be allowed to go through sz8, it would have to stop and battle that DD.

Yes let’s keep this to a report thread from now on.  However it is better if you go to the link at the front of this thread and report on Larry’s site.

PS- Mantlefan- Man up.

@Cmdr:

Stoney, I think yer misreading the NOs.

The copy I have in front of me says that America gets 10 IPC NO for controlling W. USA, C. USA and E. USA and being at war with Japan, Germany and Italy, not 30 IPC.

The OOB rules said 30, I believe, but the Alpha 2 rules only say 10, thank the creators!  America’s got PLENTY of money as it is without getting the equivalent of England entire income, from classic, as bonus income!

I’ll admit I don’t have the NOs in front of me (I’m in Doha atm!), but I’m pretty was what I said was accurate… as is what you said about the 10 IPC NO.  The US has 30 IPCs of NOs applicable when at war, but I did not mean to imply that it is still 1 whole NO: it is now divided into separate NOs, including the 10 IPC one you mentioned.

@RedHunter:

I have a few problems with all of this as follows…

1. As pointed out the Uk has no reason to declare on Japan…the USA player would kill the brit player if they did that. This would be a case of the allied players not talking to each other. In which case they are going to lose anyway.

2. The USA player can’t be so stupid as to disreguard threats near them, you can’t suprise them really. Again if the USA player is that stupid you don’t need weird tactics to beat them, you can beat them straight up through tactics.

1: You no longer need UK to declare war on Japan. See reply number 32 for explanation. Japan is free to fly over UK territories while neutral. This does not cause a declaration of war, per Krieghund.

2: You no longer need to surprise the US. In fact, it appears that keeping US neutral 3 turns prohibits them from being able to stop this air force move.

Finally, the only player able to stop/impact this, is USSR. They need to shove 12 units to Siberia turn 1, to threaten a take back of Soviet far East. Japan should lose 2 air units and 2 ground units destroying this force on J2. This is not likely, as Japan hasn’t started the game yet, so they would have to “guess” that Japan is going this route and expose a large portion of their starting Eastern forces to a Japanese invasion.

This post is regarding moving the starting Japanese air force to German occupied Alberta. It is not an argument for just America first. It is a discussion for how to always be able to get the air force to the Atlantic. America first may have a lot of problems yet to be resolved. This is one less problem.

thanks for the responses.  I really appreciate it!