An interesting variation on the point; but nothing got paired multiple times at once. Good call.
I refer to both TAC+FIG and ART+MAN as a “combat pair” (or if confusing, “air pair”) when I roll–but that pairing concept 1:1 is the key I think.
Build/Placement question…
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Ya’ll are gonna have to wait for Krieghund. I don’t see that intentional over-purchase is disallowed.
Re-reading Krieghund’s reponse, he says “if for some reason you have purchased more units”
STILL room for interpretation! Can you over-buy intentionally, or NOT?!
I’m guessing intentional over-buy is not allowed, and that if you were playing face to face, you could stop your opponent during the purchase phase, but what do I know? No rule against intentionally over-buying, and Krieghund hasn’t yet said there is.
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very important issue to clear up - should we assume krieg is reading this thread or post to the official FAQ thread?
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He’ll see it because he posted to it, I’m sure
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tripleA does not allow you to build more units than you have production capacity i believe so that’s helpful.
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How about you test it, and go from “believe” to “know”? :-)
Yes, if it is illegal to deliberately over-buy, that will be helpful in automatically controlling that.
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well, it would not automatically control the issue, but it would put at least a potential roadblock up which would deter most players… :-P
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How would it not automatically control it? Edit mode doesn’t count
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yeah a player could do an entire move and then say, tripleA wouldn’t allow my legal move so i just edited through it. LOL
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Sure, that’s not what I meant. It controls someone sneaking in this move.
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Ya’ll are gonna have to wait for Krieghund. I don’t see that intentional over-purchase is disallowed.
Re-reading Krieghund’s reponse, he says “if for some reason you have purchased more units”
STILL room for interpretation! Can you over-buy intentionally, or NOT?!
I’m guessing intentional over-buy is not allowed, and that if you were playing face to face, you could stop your opponent during the purchase phase, but what do I know? No rule against intentionally over-buying, and Krieghund hasn’t yet said there is.
Need Krieghund to see this
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tripleA does not allow you to build more units than you have production capacity i believe so that’s helpful.
Not true. TripleA only gives you a prompt saying you have more units than you can place. You can just click through if you want. This came up in a game of mine recently where Japan never actually declared war on the USA, and since the factories don’t become majors until after the buy, it told me I couldn’t place. I just said, w/e and clicked through, placed all my units just fine.
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I just confirmed it with Japan as well. YOu can totally buy however many units you like in TripleA - it just warns you, and then saves them for later rounds when you don’t place.
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there ya go. so it’s a minor roadblock at best.
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There’s no rule that says you can’t intentionally over-purchase.
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so there we have it. thanks krieg.
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Two related questions:
1. If you over-purchase, can you choose not a mobilize carrier if one of your planes can’t land without it?
2. If you over-purchase, can you choose not to mobilize a carrier whose purchase was originally required to launch an attack (by creating a hypothetical landing zone)?
For the record, I will not be over-purchasing in my games, I just wish to know what my opponents can get away with.
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More simply put, is there ever any exception to the part of the rules that reads “your choice of units” (page 23 rev.2 rulebook)?
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Your choice doesn’t allow you to violate other rules, so:
1. No.
2. Only if the air units that were going to land on the carrier either no longer exist or have another place to land. -
Thanks for your time and patience Krieghund :-)
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Wonderful. A complicated game that takes forever to play just got more complicated, with more options. Bad enough the ANZAC declare war on Japan while UK stuffs a destroyer right in the Japanese fleet loophole never got closed. Now I need to think about over-buying when I have to buy carriers to catch planes, especially with Japan.
That’s right, the carrier tactic will still work. You only have to place them if the planes live, but you have to buy them to make the attack. Over-buy, lose the planes, then get the money back from the carriers. LOOPHOLE!
You unilaterally closed the fleet avoiding combat with subs/transports rule, Krieghund, I thought you would do the same here. But if I haven’t learned anything else, I have learned that you are unpredictable. :-P
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