2015 League General Discussion Thread

DizzKneeLand33

Update: I can safely say that the new version works about 100 times more efficiently on my computer than the old one – kudos to the creators for that!

boldfresh

I would agree… looks like a nice improvement by Veq et al. Nice work gentlemen.

gamerman01

That’s 100 games in the books, in 67 days

Axis and Allies are knotted up with 50 wins apiece. That’s right, it’s 50 to 50

Jennifer

@Gamerman01:

That’s 100 games in the books, in 67 days

Axis and Allies are knotted up with 50 wins apiece.Â That’s right, it’s 50 to 50

That won’t last!

Russia will reign supreme upon the fields of honor, vying with Italy for control of the world! Oh yea, and GO FRANCE! (Just once I want to see France to take Berlin it would be so epic!)

DizzKneeLand33

@Cmdr:

@Gamerman01:

That’s 100 games in the books, in 67 days

Axis and Allies are knotted up with 50 wins apiece.� That’s right, it’s 50 to 50

That won’t last!

Russia will reign supreme upon the fields of honor, vying with Italy for control of the world! Oh yea, and GO FRANCE! (Just once I want to see France to take Berlin it would be so epic!)

With enough US bombers and Italy out of the picture, France can take over whatever she wants…. :-D

Witt

France can’t win shit without Napoleon. And he is long dead.
Three cheers for the Iron Duke. Is the 200 year anniversary of Waterloo this year.

I am surprised the Allies are 50/50. I can see how the Axis have the edge.

gamerman01

Bids have grown about 40-50% since last year

Jennifer

So what’s average bid now, Gamer? That’s a demographic I’d love to know!

gamerman01

Just looking at one page of current league games, you can see it’s about 16

boldfresh

@Cmdr:

So what’s average bid now, Gamer? That’s a demographic I’d love to know!

that’s a demographic I’d like to know too :wink:

DizzKneeLand33

Average bid above 9 (to eliminate outliers, such as zero bids) is 14.3.

Bid of 15 and above: Allies have 16 wins, Axis have 24.
Bid of 14 or less: Allies have 35 wins, Axis have 25.

(I show a record of 51-49, but I think that’s due to a player counting a result and then “uncounting” it; I left it counted)

What does this show?

It shows that the less you bid for Allies, the more likely you are to win as Allies. Meaning, the results have no meaning. :P

DizzKneeLand33

Of course, a better answer is that bid results need to be adjusted for skill level of the players….

axis-dominion

i am absolutely psychologically traumatized due to my totally abysmal aa and interceptor luck…i can’t seem to get any hits against those of my opponents who are bombing me…wheatbeer has been terrorizing me every round and i miss almost every time, and just now he bombed me with 5 japanese bombers and i had NINE opportunities to down one of them (with aa or interceptors), and i missed every one while he got an interceptor hit on me out of just 3 of those bombers (2 of them were not in a dog fight)! that’s pretty much been the story the whole game…and then in my current game against artofwar it’s probably worse, as i’m currently 1/21 on interceptor/aa hits, whereas he’s 4/7!!! i’ve had about similar results vs other opponents like roboto and jww so far this season

anyone know what i can do to get over this?? i’m seriously traumatized by this…when aa doesn’t work how am i supposed to win? i’m considering giving up my games at this point, or maybe taking a long vacation from aa in hopes of having this curse fade away

i seriously think there’s something really broken with the sbr in this game, especially the rules surrounding intercepting…like how the hell can a larger and bulkier bomber dog fight with a more maneuverable fighter? and why can a strategic bomber attack in a dog fight whereas a defending tac bomber can’t?

gamerman01

Couple thoughts, axis

If your opponent has anywhere near the same level of skill you have, does a lot of SBR, and gets lucky, you pretty much can’t win. I learned that lesson years ago.

Second, there is no such thing as a curse - each roll is a new independent roll. And if it makes you feel any better, I’ve rolled a lot of dice in Triple A and they seem appropriately random. Sometimes bad stuff happens. I know you realize all this.

There are 3 different RNG’s though. Are you using the first one? It’s the only one I’ve ever used. Triple A war club or something like that.

You might need a break from the game and come back later. Once it gets in your head, and it’s understandable that it would - it can start to cause you to make worse decisions as a result. If you are gunshy, you won’t take the risks that might be smart to take, perhaps.

Interceptors did use to roll at 2 in AA50 I believe. I think they were reduced to 1 so that bombing raids would not be inordinately discouraged. Also, there is the fact that all complexes now have AA guns whereas before (and in AA50) they did not necessarily.

gamerman01

Thanks for the stats, Dizz.

Yes, I think looking at average bids and win percentage (as I also did) is of very limited value, because we have a wide spectrum of players of varying ability and experience.

Also significantly, I think, is that the effect of bid amounts are much smaller than the average player thinks. That is, I think the difference between a 10 bid and a 20 bid is not as effective as people seem to think. Now all that said, I squeeze out every IPC I can just like anyone else. But I think with 1,000 IPC’s of unit value for each side, adding .1% is pretty small. Earlier games had less units to start, so a 10 or 20 bid was relatively more important.

axis-dominion

I appreciate the positive response. I understand there’s no actual curse, but man I certainly feel that way now, and it’s hard to shake it off. I do believe our thoughts affect reality in some way, and thinking negatively about each raid is only making it worse. I’m trying to stay positive but it’s hard.

I checked that I am indeed using the TripleA Warclub NRG, so that’s not an issue.

And yes, I agree, I’m finding myself at times making more emotional decisions following the really bad luck. I am definitely considering a break if this keeps up. I think it may be the only way to shake it off.

@Gamerman01:

Couple thoughts, axis

If your opponent has anywhere near the same level of skill you have, does a lot of SBR, and gets lucky, you pretty much can’t win.� I learned that lesson years ago.

Second, there is no such thing as a curse - each roll is a new independent roll.� And if it makes you feel any better, I’ve rolled a lot of dice in Triple A and they seem appropriately random.� Sometimes bad stuff happens.� I know you realize all this.

There are 3 different RNG’s though.� Are you using the first one?� It’s the only one I’ve ever used.� Triple A war club or something like that.

You might need a break from the game and come back later.� Once it gets in your head, and it’s understandable that it would - it can start to cause you to make worse decisions as a result.� If you are gunshy, you won’t take the risks that might be smart to take, perhaps.

Interceptors did use to roll at 2 in AA50 I believe.� I think they were reduced to 1 so that bombing raids would not be inordinately discouraged.� Also, there is the fact that all complexes now have AA guns whereas before (and in AA50) they did not necessarily.

gamerman01

I’m happy if I can help

Witt

@Gamerman01:

Thanks for the stats, Dizz.

Yes, I think looking at average bids and win percentage (as I also did) is of very limited value, because we have a wide spectrum of players of varying ability and experience.

Also significantly, I think, is that the effect of bid amounts are much smaller than the average player thinks. That is, I think the difference between a 10 bid and a 20 bid is not as effective as people seem to think. Now all that said, I squeeze out every IPC I can just like anyone else. But I think with 1,000 IPC’s of unit value for each side, adding .1% is pretty small. Earlier games had less units to start, so a 10 or 20 bid was relatively more important.

I still think Japan needs to lose 4 Air from its set up.
Those planes are a massive deterrent to any kind of Allied offensive. And perhaps the Soviet/Japanese pact should be better in favour of Russia. Very few players care about giving Russia 6 more units. Too much income is lost by Russia to Japan and affects the Eastern Front balance.

gamerman01

Yes, Mongolia is not much of a deterrent, in fact, it can HELP Japan to have Mongolia in play since she can switch back and forth from Russia to China, fly over it, and easily get out of China where China can’t attack them.

In my houseruled game, I am going back to the 12 IPC payment for violating the pact. And I removed some Japanese air. Still need to put finishing touches on it before we start playing it, but you might be interested in my houseruled game, Witt

Witt

You have removed Air? Nice.
Japan is too strong to start and it is hard to overtake it as the US (who should have more!).
Can’t remember the 12IPC thing. Was that Alpha 2, which I missed?
Does that go to Russia?

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