Game History
Round: 1 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese buy 1 infantry, 1 marine and 3 transports; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; Politics - Japanese Japanese takes Political Action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Japanese and Americans from Neutrality to War Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Japanese and British from Neutrality to War Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Japanese and UK_Pacific from Neutrality to War Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Japanese and ANZAC from Neutrality to War Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Japanese and Dutch from Neutrality to War Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Japanese and French from Neutrality to War Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Germans and Americans from Neutrality to War Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Italians and Americans from Neutrality to War Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Chinese and Americans from Neutrality to Allied Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Chinese and British from Neutrality to Allied Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Chinese and UK_Pacific from Concordant to Allied Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Chinese and French from Neutrality to Allied Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Chinese and ANZAC from Neutrality to Allied Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Chinese and Dutch from Neutrality to Friendly Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for British and Americans from Neutrality to Allied Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for UK_Pacific and Americans from Neutrality to Allied Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for ANZAC and Americans from Neutrality to Allied Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Americans and French from Neutrality to Allied Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Americans and Dutch from Neutrality to Friendly Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Americans and Neutral_Allies from Neutrality to Friendly_Neutral Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Americans and Neutral_Axis from Neutrality to Unfriendly_Neutral Combat Move - Japanese Trigger Japanese Unrestricted Movement: Setting movementRestrictionTerritories cleared for rulesAttachment attached to Japanese 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 34 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 7 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone 1 marine moved from Caroline Islands to 34 Sea Zone 1 cruiser and 1 marine moved from 34 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone 1 marine moved from 33 Sea Zone to Gilbert Islands 1 infantry moved from Iwo Jima to 7 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Hokkaido to 7 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 7 Sea Zone to 32 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 32 Sea Zone to Wake Island 1 cruiser moved from 21 Sea Zone to 132 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Formosa to 132 Sea Zone 2 bombers moved from Japan to 132 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Siam to French Indo China Japanese take French Indo China from French 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 4 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Fukien to Kwangtung 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kiangsu to Kwangtung 1 infantry moved from Fukien to 21 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Formosa to 21 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 21 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Japan to 7 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 7 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from Southern Manchuria to 20 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Okinawa to 20 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Jehol to Chahar Japanese take Chahar from Chinese 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Jehol to Shansi 1 battleship and 1 destroyer moved from 7 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 20 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to Davao 1 mech_infantry moved from Southern Manchuria to Shansi 1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Manchuria to Shansi 1 fighter moved from Korea to Shansi 1 fighter moved from Southern Manchuria to 36 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Shantung to Anhwe Japanese take Anhwe from Chinese 1 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Kiangsi Japanese take Kiangsi from Chinese Combat - Japanese Battle in Wake Island Battle in Gilbert Islands Battle in Shansi Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Chinese defend with 1 infantry Japanese win, taking Wake Island from Americans, taking Gilbert Islands from UK_Pacific, taking Shansi from Chinese with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry Battle in 27 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 destroyer, 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 3 tactical_bombers Americans defend with 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 1 transport Japanese win, taking 27 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 destroyer, 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 25 Casualties for Japanese: 1 submarine Casualties for Americans: 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 1 transport Battle in Kwangtung Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber British defend with 2 infantry; UK_Pacific defend with 1 harbour 1 fighter owned by the Japanese retreated UK_Pacific win with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -17 Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Casualties for British: 1 infantry Battle in Yunnan Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 4 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Chinese defend with 4 infantry Japanese win, taking Yunnan from Chinese with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry Casualties for Chinese: 4 infantry Battle in 36 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 2 battleships, 2 destroyers, 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 3 transports Americans defend with 1 destroyer and 1 submarine Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Japanese Japanese win with 2 battleships, 2 destroyers, 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 3 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is 14 Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer and 1 submarine Battle in Davao Japanese attack with 2 artilleries and 4 infantry Americans defend with 1 airfield, 1 fighter, 1 harbour and 1 infantry Japanese win, taking Davao from Americans with 2 artilleries and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry Casualties for Americans: 1 fighter and 1 infantry Battle in 132 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 2 bombers, 1 cruiser and 1 fighter British defend with 1 battleship Japanese win with 2 bombers and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for Japanese: 1 cruiser Casualties for British: 1 battleship Non Combat Move - Japanese 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to Siam 1 fighter moved from 132 Sea Zone to Siam 2 bombers moved from 132 Sea Zone to Siam 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Kiangsi 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Shantung to Anhwe 1 fighter moved from Shansi to Jehol 1 tactical_bomber moved from Shansi to Shantung 3 infantry moved from Southern Manchuria to Jehol 1 aaGun moved from Northern Manchuria to Southern Manchuria 1 infantry moved from Korea to Northern Manchuria 2 infantry moved from Korea to Southern Manchuria 1 fighter moved from Kwangtung to Formosa 1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Japan to Kyushu 1 artillery moved from Japan to Kyushu 1 infantry moved from Japan to Kyushu 2 carriers moved from 7 Sea Zone to 32 Sea Zone 1 carrier and 1 destroyer moved from 34 Sea Zone to 32 Sea Zone 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from 27 Sea Zone to 32 Sea Zone 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Japan to Caroline Islands 1 fighter moved from 36 Sea Zone to Paulau Place Units - Japanese 1 infantry and 1 marine placed in Japan 3 transports placed in 7 Sea Zone Japanese undo move 2. 3 transports placed in 6 Sea Zone Turn Complete - Japanese Japanese collect 35 PUs; end with 36 PUs Objective Japanese 6 Home Islands: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 39 PUs Objective Japanese 7 Vital Forward Bases: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 44 PUs2015 League General Discussion Thread
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not sure, maybe, but then it gets into a question of, did your opponent really want to retreat, or did he get bad results and then claim he wanted to retreat, blaming it on the triplea bug? i mean, i like to believe no one would exploit it like that, but you can see how it can get problematic.
Thanks for the warning, dominion,
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Wait, you’re saying you don’t even get a prompt to continue, so if there’s no casualty choice, nothing to stop it? I’ve been using .7 with no incident yet, but that’s not saying much
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well there’s casualty choice, but then it doesn’t stop to ask whether you want to retreat. it’ll just go straight to rolling for the next round of combat.
Wait, you’re saying you don’t even get a prompt to continue, so if there’s no casualty choice, nothing to stop it? I’ve been using .7 with no incident yet, but that’s not saying much
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Yeah, so if the defense whiffs, you can’t stop it from rolling the next offensive round? That’s terrible - I guess I should test it….
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Yeah, that’s weird, it’s like it displays the casualty choice window an extra time instead of the continue / retreat window.
I could only reproduce it when starting a new game, when I did a test using an existing game save (from the previous version), it worked fine. So it may only affect games started with the new version.
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I had it happen to me in my game with MakeMaps on G1 when I wanted to “hit and run” in SZ111.
http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=36453.0
I didn’t test it with the older engine. I actually assumed the glitch was sub related as it gave me the option to dive subs, and then skipped the general retreat. The game was created using the .7 engine as far as I remember.
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@PGMatt:
I had it happen to me in my game with MakeMaps on G1 when I wanted to “hit and run” in SZ111.
http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=36453.0
I didn’t test it with the older engine. I actually assumed the glitch was sub related as it gave me the option to dive subs, and then skipped the general retreat. The game was created using the .7 engine as far as I remember.
I’m running .7, so yes.
Time to load up .5 I suppose.
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Gameraman do you have a breakdown somewhere in your records of tier E vs E allied/axis Win Loss ratios? Would you have the same for 1 vs 1 etc?? Just curious, I love playing the allies, I find it quite challenging w/so many decisions to make vs axis play but beating comperable level players is very difficult at best.
Also, along the same lines, in the last 2 years of global, in the playoffs, what is the W/L ratio for the allies versus the axis players?
If you don’t have this info easily available don’t worry about it. Thanks for all that you do here!
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You bet, JWW, that will be interesting info for everyone and will only take me a few minutes, so I’ll provide it here.
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OK, I don’t have last year’s league Axis vs. Allies, and it would be tedious to find them….
This year, there’s one game I haven’t found (Bold vs. Ghost)
Ghost beat Bold with Axis and Allies both this year, so I’m not sure which is the playoff gameIn this year’s playoffs, it’s Axis - 3, Allies - 2
without Bold vs. Ghost. It’s looking real good for the Axis in the championship game :-)However, I can tell you 3 of last year’s playoff games out of 7, because they were mine.
I won with Axis in the first round, then Allies in the semis and then again in the finalsThis year regular season, I come up with…
Axis - 18
Allies - 10
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I have concluded some time earlier this year that for a 50/50 chance, the Allies need a bid North of 21
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I think the “new” victory conditions that allow the Axis to win in either theater is the culprit. Without it, the Allies are favored heavily, but with it, the Axis are favored heavily (I mean with 0 bid).
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I also looked at Tier 1 players’ wins against Tier 1 or Tier E
Tier 1 has 14 wins with Axis against Tier E and Tier 1, compared to only
6 wins using the Allies.I’ll check tier 2 also - this is fascinating
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Axis wins vs. Allied wins by Tier 2 players against Tier 2 or better
19-11
Folks, we are bidding too low to take Allies, on average….
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So, 18-10 for tier E 1.8X
14-6 for tier 1 2.3X
19-11 for tier 2 1.7XI think it’s amazing it’s that consistent. You are almost twice as likely to win with the Axis even after allowing a what, 16-22 bid?
Maybe we should be starting to bid at 25 and bid up.
Player 1 - I’ll take the Axis and give you 25.
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Is there any good way to place a bid of around 20-25 to hinder Japan significantly? From what I’ve seen, most bids are used against Italy and maybe Germany.
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2 Siberian bombers to sink the transport in z20?
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Better off bidding 1 inf to Yunnan and 1 fig to Russia to have a Yunnan stack before Japan’s first turn. NG inf, Burma mech and Amur art are effective as well.
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I think the “new” victory conditions that allow the Axis to win in either theater is the culprit. Without it, the Allies are favored heavily, but with it, the Axis are favored heavily (I mean with 0 bid).
It certainly makes a difference, but it’s a good change in terms of gameplay.
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The Allies should have a victory condition that doesn’t take forever to achieve.





