Carrier group in black sea

@dazedwit said in Is killing Sea Zone 110 an absolute must?:

@shadowhawk

wow look at you

I said I’m testing out a new strategy. Didn’t say you needed to do it.

Just pointing out where your “strategy” might go wrong.
And quite interested how you get 1/9 chance happening regularly.

Roger, just wanted to remind that G40 ruleset is the exception here, to all other versions IIRC.

The combined arms rule (actually called “Commander In Chief”) was in the first edition of Classic but was removed from the second edition of Classic.  Apparently they thought back then that this rule was to easily taken advantage of by Allied players.

The way it worked was:
The US moves “X” units to United Kingdom.  The UK already has a number of units already there.  The US moves a number of transports that can carry all the current US and UK units on United Kingdom to the sea zone adjacent to the territory.
During the Collect Income phase of the US turn, the US and UK players agree to make the US Commander In Chief.  The US player takes a stack of 3 US control markers and places them in United Kingdom.
Then on the UK player’s turn, the UK player does not move any of the units intended for the combined force.  If the UK moves any of it’s units stationed on United Kingdom, they CAN NOT be included in the combined force.
Then on the US player’s next turn, the US player is now free to move any or all units stationed on United Kingdom as long as they DID NOT move during the UK player’s turn.
By the way, this includes UK aircraft if they didn’t move on the UK’s turn.

So, basically, any country’s units that are going to be included in the combined force but are not from the country of the Commander In Chief have to be in the launching territory before the Commanding player is chosen.  It might be a little more complex, but I think this rule could be applied to Global 1940.
For example:  Say England wants to attack a Japanese force in Burma from India.  They want to use a combined force of UK, US, Soviet and ANZAC units.  So on UK Pacific’s turn, UK can move units into India.  On the UK’s Collect Income phase, they get chosen as Commander In Chief.  The Soviet, US and ANZAC forces have to be already in India at this time and those are the ONLY non UK forces that the UK can move next turn.  Even if one of the other countries move more units into India, those new units could NOT be used in the UK’s next turn.
Assuming the UK attacks Burma with the combined force and defeats the Japanese, UK India will get possession of that territory.  Also, I believe the last casualty HAS to belong to the Commander In Chief’s country (in this case, UK).

@Cow:

Optimal sea lion / feign.

Been debating if normandy or southern france or neither is better for round 1.

Purchase Units - Germans
           Germans buy 1 carrier and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
           1 submarine moved from 117 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
           1 submarine moved from 103 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
           1 submarine moved from 108 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
           1 submarine moved from 118 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone
           1 submarine moved from 124 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone
           1 battleship moved from 113 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
           1 fighter moved from Holland Belgium to 110 Sea Zone
           1 fighter moved from Norway to 111 Sea Zone
           1 tactical_bomber moved from Germany to 110 Sea Zone
           2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 110 Sea Zone
           1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 111 Sea Zone
           2 bombers moved from Germany to 111 Sea Zone
           2 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from Greater Southern Germany to Yugoslavia
           3 armour moved from Greater Southern Germany to France
           3 armour, 2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to France
           1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to France
            3 mech west moved from West Germany to Southern France.
           1 tactical_bomber moved from Poland to Yugoslavia
            1 fighter moved from Hungary to Southern France

ncm

tactical fighter yugoslavia-> Southern Italy.
fighter southern france -> northern italy.
Rest of the air lands west germany, except the one tactical fighter to sz 112 (it has one movement left only).
cruiser transport-> sz 112
shuffle 2 inf from denmark->norway.
1 inf norway->finland.
2 arty germany->west germany
Rest of germany-> poland.
1 inf romania-> bulgaria
2 inf hungary->poland
~

This is like the basic sea lion but with some minor adjustments. You are doing Southern france. You power slam Yugoslavia.

You can make 71 income potential (if convoys from the french miss) 9 transports and a dd purchase… potential… you can drop 6 units on to scotland in round 2 then pick up 6 more units and drop. Bringing the total drop count to 6+6+18… 30 units. Plus your air. Italy can bomb an airbase if necessary. Italy can land a fighter onto scotland to scramble to defend transports if necessary as well (against the 1 french fighter).

Even if you make 68 only… that is still 28 units + air drop potential. Southern France is nice because if Naval goes to gibraltar you can blast it.

This is an excellent write-up by a seemingly controversial character on these forums. The strategy is sound though.

Yep, it’s fine.

I know Krieghund has addressed this topic, but IIRC he was silent on whether it was intended or not.  Which leads me to believe it was not.  :-)

Not that it matters.  The rule is what it is.

Just played a game of Global A&A today. I played Japan and Italy, and a friend of mine played germany. I (being used to europe 1940 A&A) said sea lion is a money trap. Now in my opinion sea-lion is twice as effective as a Russian attack, this is because it can eliminate a major allied power very soon in the game. On the other hand if Russia is invaded, than it can offer two quick VCs to the axis cause where a sea-lion would only offer one. So my opinion is split. The one thing I can agree with is that Sea-lion is very viable plan to destroy the allies unlike the lack of time in Europe because of the undivided american attention.

All French units belong to France.  None are neutral.

@Funcioneta:

No, India cannot colect income for european territories, even if London has fallen

I know.  I just thought you meant it would be no fun to be “out of the game” or something.