14L Whackamatt (Axis) vs Soup (Allies +14)

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  • S0UP76S

    I’m happy to edit the game and move the US pieces to a legal location (I would simply put them back in SZ35…again I’m sorry about the mistake).

    The part that I’m confused about though - is the most recent save file you loaded (it’s a 2nd Italian turn, and different from the initial turn).

    For example, your purchases are different (fighter vs. tank & mech inf.) as well as your combat and results.  In the initial file, you “captured” SZ93 and did not attack Greece, however in the 2nd file…a French Cruiser survived in SZ93, but you captured Greece.

    I was expecting a file with a German Turn 2 completed, with which I would edit the US pieces back to SZ35, and then continue with my Russia Turn 2.

    If I use the current Italian Save File you’ve loaded…I negate your initial Italy1, and have to re-do my ANZAC1and France1 turns (granted they were both non-com’s).

    I’m just trying to understand the protocol for these situations.

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  • WhackamattW
    '20 '18 '17 '15

    OH!  that may have been a load error on my part.  :?  :-oI must have reloaded the old UK file and replayed Italy.

    Please disregard this second Italian turn, as I had already played it.  I will start with Germany.  I apologize for any confusion.

    I will simpy load France and play.

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  • WhackamattW
    '20 '18 '17 '15

    TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

    Game History

    Round: 2

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
                Germans buy 1 infantry and 10 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

    Combat Move - Germans
                Turning on Edit Mode
                EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
                EDIT: 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 17 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
                1 submarine moved from 110 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
                2 bombers moved from Western Germany to 91 Sea Zone
                1 submarine moved from 124 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone
                7 infantry moved from Finland to Norway
                1 infantry moved from Germany to Slovakia Hungary
                2 armour moved from Southern France to Western Germany
                3 armour moved from France to Western Germany
                1 armour moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Western Germany
                3 armour moved from Yugoslavia to Western Germany
                2 artilleries moved from Germany to Western Germany
                1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Holland Belgium
                2 mech_infantrys moved from France to Yugoslavia
                1 mech_infantry moved from Southern France to Yugoslavia
                2 artilleries and 7 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Romania
                5 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Romania

    Combat - Germans
                Battle in 91 Sea Zone
                    Germans attack with 2 bombers and 1 submarine
                    British defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport
                    Germans win with 2 bombers and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 15
                    Casualties for British: 1 destroyer and 1 transport

    Non Combat Move - Germans
                2 bombers moved from 91 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium
                3 aaGuns moved from Germany to Slovakia Hungary
                1 aaGun moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
                1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
                1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
                2 aaGuns moved from Western Germany to Germany
                1 destroyer moved from 112 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone

    Place Units - Germans
                10 transports placed in 113 Sea Zone
                1 infantry placed in Germany

    Turn Complete - Germans
                Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2
                    Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,5,5,2,5
                Germans collect 42 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 42 PUs total
                Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 47 PUs
                Objective Germans 1 Trade with Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 52 PUs

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  • WhackamattW
    '20 '18 '17 '15

    Sincerist apologies there.  You can never re-do a turn, and certainly not after your opponent has taken theres.  That’s why it’s important to edit/reload any mistakes you find before they go.

    So yeah, just a dumb mistake there on my part by clicking on the wrong file.  doh!

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  • S0UP76S

    No worries…my apologies for messing up the US units to begin with.

    For what it’s worth…in situations such as the one I created – I believe in placing units back into original/starting location - as opposed to alternate  locations.  It minimizes the perception and/or angle of selecting a different move after the fact.  I have/would do the same in a traditional version of the board game.

    Not saying I expect everyone to adhere to this belief…just explaining my logic for deciding to put them back in SZ35.

    :-)

    Now…time for me to load your German 2 and see what I’ve got to respond to  :-D

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  • WhackamattW
    '20 '18 '17 '15

    " It minimizes the perception and/or angle of selecting a different move after the fact.  I have/would do the same in a traditional version of the board game."

    I am okay with allowing my opponent to pick a different location, so long as a power that could be affected hasn’t moved yet.  Like in my examples, where the US ends a NCM of some ships in the Pacific has no bearing on what Italy would buy/move/attack/etc.

    As for Germany 2, you’ll see a few things, such as the 92-93% chance of taking London! :evil:

    When I play the Allies, I rarely scramble as the UK Round 1, and this is why.  Plus, if Germany brings all available units, you’re essentially guranateeing the destruction of 4 fighters, for MAYBE destrying German fighters in return, and if you do, it’s rarely on a 1 to 1 scale.  My first round buy is 90% of the time 9 infantry.  This statistically puts any Operation Sealion out of reach for Germany, but it does delay any African support.

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  • S0UP76S

    TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

    Game History

    Round: 2

    Purchase Units - Russians
                Russians buy 2 armour and 8 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs;

    Politics - Russians
                Trigger Russians Friendly With Mongolians activates a trigger called: Trigger Allies Friendly With Mongolians

    Combat Move - Russians

    Combat - Russians

    Non Combat Move - Russians
                2 infantry moved from Buyant-Uhaa to Central Mongolia
                1 infantry moved from Ulaanbaatar to Central Mongolia
                1 infantry moved from Dzavhan to Central Mongolia
                1 mech_infantry moved from Urals to Yenisey
                2 infantry moved from Olgiy to Yenisey
                1 mech_infantry moved from Novosibirsk to Yenisey
                3 infantry moved from Ukraine to Bessarabia
                1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Western Ukraine
                2 infantry moved from Rostov to Ukraine
                2 armour moved from Ukraine to Western Ukraine
                3 armour moved from Russia to Urals
                3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Novgorod to Yenisey
                5 infantry moved from Novgorod to Archangel
                1 artillery moved from Baltic States to Eastern Poland
                1 artillery moved from Novgorod to Baltic States
                2 aaGuns moved from Russia to Bryansk
                1 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Eastern Poland

    Place Units - Russians
                2 armour placed in Russia
                3 infantry placed in Novgorod
                3 infantry placed in Ukraine
                2 infantry placed in Russia

    Turn Complete - Russians
                Russians collect 35 PUs; end with 37 PUs total

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  • S0UP76S

    So…obviously my Amur army didn’t do a whole lot, lol…gonna take Russia awhile to push back on Japan.  :oops:

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  • WhackamattW
    '20 '18 '17 '15

    TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

    Game History

    Round: 2

    Purchase Units - Japanese
                Japanese buy 2 armour, 1 carrier and 4 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 0 PUs;

    Politics - Japanese
                Japanese takes Political Action: Political Action Japanese To War With French
                    Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With French: Changing Relationship for Japanese and French from Neutrality to War
                    Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With French: Changing Relationship for Chinese and French from Neutrality to Allied

    Combat Move - Japanese
                1 armour moved from Soviet Far East to Sakha
                      Japanese take Siberia from Russians
                      Japanese take Sakha from Russians
                1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Chahar to Central Mongolia
                3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Manchuria to Central Mongolia
                1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Hunan to Yunnan
                2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Jehol to Yunnan
                2 bombers, 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
                1 fighter moved from Kiangsi to Yunnan
                1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Anhwe to Kweichow
                      Japanese take Kweichow from Chinese
                1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hopei
                      Japanese take Hopei from Chinese
                1 mech_infantry moved from Amur to Buyant-Uhaa
                      Japanese take Buyant-Uhaa from Russians
                1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Jehol to Buyant-Uhaa
                1 transport moved from 19 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
                1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
                1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone
                1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
                1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
                2 battleships, 3 carriers, 2 cruisers, 3 destroyers and 2 submarines moved from 36 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
                2 infantry moved from Siam to 37 Sea Zone
                1 transport moved from 5 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
                2 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
                2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone
                1 infantry moved from Soviet Far East to Siberia

    Combat - Japanese
                Battle in Central Mongolia
                    Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers
                    Russians defend with 4 infantry
                    Japanese win, taking Central Mongolia from Russians with 1 artillery, 3 fighters, 1 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9
                    Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
                    Casualties for Russians: 4 infantry
                Battle in Yunnan
                    Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 5 fighters, 3 infantry and 4 tactical_bombers
                    Chinese defend with 11 infantry
                    Japanese win, taking Yunnan from Chinese with 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is -7
                    Casualties for Japanese: 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                    Casualties for Chinese: 11 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Japanese
                2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Yunnan to 37 Sea Zone
                1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Kwangsi
                1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi
                2 bombers moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi
                1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from 19 Sea Zone to Kiangsu
                3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Central Mongolia to Anhwe
                2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Manchuria to Kwangsi

    Place Units - Japanese
                2 armour and 1 mech_infantry placed in Kiangsu
                3 mech_infantrys placed in Shantung
                1 carrier placed in 6 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - Japanese
                Japanese collect 36 PUs; end with 36 PUs total
                Objective Japanese 1 Trade With America: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 46 PUs

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  • WhackamattW
    '20 '18 '17 '15

    Stacking in Amur will lead to exactly this.  It’s a good idea to concentrate them in Buryatia, or Sakha where Japan can’t touch them.  Then you can wait until Japan moves most of its forces away, and move back again, threatening a 1-2 combo with Russia and the US.  Or moving in the Russian stack when the US takes Korea.

    OR, you can slowly march them straight to Moscow, as Russia will lose in a 1 vs 1 fight with Germany.  That extra 20 hits can really help them last a lot longer sometimes.

    Alternatively, stacking in Amur can be used to lure your opponent to go after Russia as Japan instead of setting up for a J2 or J3 around India or the DEI.  I’m pretty well locked into pushing into the mainland now.  My income won’t grow as fast as declaring war on J2 or J3, but I want to keep the US out of the war if I’m going to take London.  having the US in the game on US2 can hurt Germany a bit.

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  • S0UP76S

    TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

    Game History

    Round: 2

    Research Technology - Americans
                Americans spend 5 on tech rolls
                Americans removing all Technology Tokens after successful research.
                Americans discover Super subs

    Activate Technology - Americans
                Americans activating Super subs

    Purchase Units - Americans
                Americans buy 8 submarines; Remaining resources: 3 PUs; 0 techTokens;

    Combat Move - Americans

    Non Combat Move - Americans
                1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
                1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 23 Sea Zone
                1 carrier, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 31 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
                1 battleship, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
                3 mech_infantrys moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone
                1 armour moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone
                1 artillery moved from Eastern United States to 101 Sea Zone
                1 infantry moved from Eastern United States to 101 Sea Zone
                1 infantry moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone
                1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 cruiser, 2 infantry, 3 mech_infantrys and 5 transports moved from 101 Sea Zone to 28 Sea Zone
                1 fighter moved from Eastern United States to 26 Sea Zone
                1 fighter moved from 26 Sea Zone to Wake Island

    Place Units - Americans
                3 submarines placed in 10 Sea Zone
                3 submarines placed in 101 Sea Zone
                2 submarines placed in 101 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - Americans
                Americans collect 52 PUs; end with 55 PUs total

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  • S0UP76S

    TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

    Game History

    Round: 2

    Purchase Units - Chinese
                Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
                Chinese buy 5 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

    Combat Move - Chinese

    Non Combat Move - Chinese
                3 infantry moved from Shensi to Szechwan

    Place Units - Chinese
                5 infantry placed in Szechwan

    Turn Complete - Chinese
                Chinese collect 6 PUs; end with 6 PUs total

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  • WhackamattW
    '20 '18 '17 '15

    Don’t forget to post the UK turn  :-D

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  • S0UP76S

    inwork ;)

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  • S0UP76S

    TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

    Game History

    Round: 2

    Combat Move - British
                1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to 112 Sea Zone
                1 cruiser moved from 96 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
                1 fighter moved from Malta to 92 Sea Zone
                1 fighter moved from 97 Sea Zone to Alexandria
                1 tactical_bomber moved from 97 Sea Zone to Alexandria
                1 carrier moved from 97 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
                1 cruiser moved from 97 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
                1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Ethiopia to 76 Sea Zone
                1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 76 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
                1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 98 Sea Zone to Alexandria

    Combat - British

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  • S0UP76S

    Scramble in SZ112?

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  • WhackamattW
    '20 '18 '17 '15

    yes please, 2 fighters and 1 tac.

    Do you know about the battle calculator?  It’s on the territory tab.  You can adjust the forces will be for both sides in a simulated battle, and it will tell you your odds of winning, how many units on average you’ll have left over, etc.  That way it’s easier to tell than just eyeballing it if an attack is a good idea or not.

    But even without the calculator, this 2 units vs 4 units is not a very good idea.  :wink:

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  • S0UP76S

    Yeah…I’m aware of it - I just keep forgetting about the scramble option :/  #FML

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  • WhackamattW
    '20 '18 '17 '15

    Well if you forget and say, “Oh!  Forgot he could scramble!”  you should close Triple A and reopen it.  Nothing says you can’t.  So if you want to take it back, I’m cool with that.

    I redo most turns multiple times (pre-combat, of course), changing my purchases and where I attack.

    And even a friendly, “Hey, I’m redoing my CM because I forgot about scrambling, disregard the posted CM/scramble question.”  So long as you don’t resolve any combat, most opponents will be fine with it.

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  • S0UP76S

    TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

    Game History

    Round: 2

    Research Technology - British
                British spend 6 on tech rolls
                UK_Pacific spend 4 on tech rolls
                British removing all Technology Tokens after unsuccessful research.

    Purchase Units - British
                British buy 2 armour, 1 bomber and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 0 techTokens;

    Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
                UK_Pacific buy 1 armour and 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs;

    Combat Move - British
                1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to 112 Sea Zone
                1 cruiser moved from 96 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
                1 fighter moved from Malta to 92 Sea Zone
                1 fighter moved from 97 Sea Zone to Alexandria
                1 tactical_bomber moved from 97 Sea Zone to Alexandria
                1 carrier moved from 97 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
                1 cruiser moved from 97 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
                1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Ethiopia to 76 Sea Zone
                1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 76 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
                1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 98 Sea Zone to Alexandria

    Combat - British
                Germans scrambles 3 units out of Western Germany to defend against the attack in 112 Sea Zone
                Battle in 112 Sea Zone
                    British attack with 1 bomber and 1 fighter
                    Germans defend with 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 1 tactical_bomber and 3 transports
                    Germans win with 1 cruiser, 2 fighters, 1 tactical_bomber and 3 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is -14
                    Casualties for Germans: 1 destroyer
                    Casualties for British: 1 bomber and 1 fighter
                Battle in 93 Sea Zone
                    British attack with 1 carrier and 2 cruisers
                    Italians defend with 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine
                    Units damaged: 1 carrier owned by the British
                    British win, taking 93 Sea Zone from Italians with 1 carrier and 2 cruisers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 26
                    Casualties for Italians: 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine
                Battle in Alexandria
                    British attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                    Italians defend with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 mech_infantry
                    British win with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                    Casualties for British: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                    Casualties for Italians: 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 mech_infantry
                Battle in 92 Sea Zone
                    British attack with 1 fighter
                    Italians defend with 1 transport
                    British win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                    Casualties for Italians: 1 transport
                Moving scrambled unit from 112 Sea Zone back to originating territory: Western Germany
                Moving scrambled unit from 112 Sea Zone back to originating territory: Western Germany
                Moving scrambled unit from 112 Sea Zone back to originating territory: Western Germany

    Non Combat Move - British
                1 fighter moved from 92 Sea Zone to Morocco
                1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Alexandria to Egypt
                1 mech_infantry moved from India to Eastern Persia
                      British take Eastern Persia from Neutral_Allies
                1 infantry moved from Sumatra to 41 Sea Zone
                1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 41 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
                1 infantry moved from 44 Sea Zone to Celebes
                      UK_Pacific take Celebes from Dutch
                1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 41 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
                2 infantry moved from Rhodesia to Tanganyika Territory

    Place Units - British
                2 armour placed in Union of South Africa
                1 bomber and 1 infantry placed in United Kingdom

    Turn Complete - British
                British collect 29 PUs; end with 30 PUs total

    Place Units - UK_Pacific
                1 armour and 3 infantry placed in India

    Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
                UK_Pacific collect 24 PUs; end with 26 PUs total
                Some Units in India change ownership: 1 armour and 3 infantry

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