@WILD:
Just wanted to say thanks to YG and knp for responding to my concerns about production (all minor IC’s upgraded to major factories at set-up, and able to produce 5 units w/o restrictions). Looks like you guys have a good plan to run with, but are willing to revisit it later if need be (and like you said, there are always house rules).
I have to applaud you for bringing Canada into the fold, this has been on players minds from the early days of G40 especially our Canadian friends to north (well because I live in a northern Detroit suburb, I guess it could be my friends to the south lol). I’m really exited to try it out, and hopefully I can get a game together in the next 10 days or so to give you some feedback.
One thing I was wondering about with this version (in the games you have played) does England still feel threaten by Sea lion? Alpha+3 gave England quite a def boost (talking mostly about AA guns that were added, and taking a hit now).
*UK has a bit more income to start (at the expense of India of course)
*Canada can now better support England if the CAnzac power wants to
*If Germany buys fleet G1, does London still feel as threatened.
*Can UK pull off Taranto, and still max def London because there is more income/resources available
Maybe look at sliding an AA gun across the pond to Quebec?
It is common for a power like the US to spend nearly all income in one theater for 2-3-turns to gain an edge, then switch to the other side (that would be playing mostly defense). Have you guys seen this with UK, and CAnzac as well?
No problem Wild Bill, and thank you for your support and for contributing. To answer your question about Sealion, I remember playing G40 before the Alpha projects and to me it was a no brainer to go sealion turn 3. However, many members said they don’t and I never understood that, I mean as Germany you would get a 6 IPC territory, all the UK Europe’s money, and a 5 IPC NO. But the biggest reason I would do it is so that the UK couldn’t build units, that was the key right there, but still… some didn’t feel that the risk was justified. Than Alpha+2 came along, then +3, and eventually +3.5 (2nd Edition) and although there were some amazing transformations (better SBR rules, the 3 dice per AA gun rule, and the Mongolian rules) there was also a huge build up against Sealion, and that pissed a few people off. Nevertheless, the game was much much better than OOB 1st Edition G40.
2nd Edition brought about new strategies for the Axis because the Allies were always winning. Many of the arguments were surrounded by to much money for America, Japan has to fight 5 different enemies in 5 different directions, and there was no chance for sealion. From these issues came a lot of power thinking from hard core players. The first breakthrough for me came from A&A.org members ROCmonster, and Cow (don’t ask me who thought of these things first or you’ll start a war, precisely why I’m so adamant to credit contributors as I go). They suggested that if Japan attacked turn 1 or no later than turn 2, that the Japanese would dominate the Pacific, and although they met strong resistance,… they were right (remember, this is my experience about what happened, it’s different for others). As for Germany, the debate about Sealion being worthy or not was out the door, the clear winning strategy was to rush Moscow, and worry about the west when they have Russia’s bank roll in their pocket. Both these gambits are still dominating the game today and the only way to beat an experienced player who has successfully run these strategies over and over, is to depend on their own lack of execution.
Of course Larry Harris and his team have declared G40 2nd Edition as is the last, and I don’t blame them. First the fans were screaming bloody murder because the Allies couldn’t be beat, and now the forums are on fire saying the Allies always lose. Back to your question… it’s difficult to answer for a few reasons, we have play tested these Halifax rules without the new production units, where there were complaints that the production limits on India were to restrictive (I’m hoping the new production unit profiles will help that). It’s also difficult to answer because when your playing in a 6 man table top game, some players aren’t always executing the strategies that the hard core experience players on this forum would do. Therefore, a 9 hour play test game goes in a total different direction that you thought it might (the main reason why I’m contemplating doing a play test game by myself this weekend). As for Sealion, I have seen enough 2nd Edition games that have had a successful Sealion landing to make me think that the strategy is not completely dead. After the UK spends the standard 6 men and a fighter turn 1, they start to get lazy even though they see Germany with 5 transports and a lot of air units. So even though it’s not the slam dunk turn 3 grab that it used to be, it’s still very viable.
As for Halifax rules, I have stated before why I like them and I will paste it again here. although it’s easy to say that the Allies will spend heavily in one theater and leave the other untouched, that has proven to be dangerous. the latest strategy for America when playing G40 2nd Edition against experienced Axis players is to go 100% Pacific. I don’t think a $17 swing for a multi national force is gonna turn the tide too much (although Krieghund has mentioned a power strategy that would be end game if UK had a single economy, but that was before we peeled off the Canadian territories). These Halifax Rules are a template that might serve as an equalizer between the two sides, and if the Allies start winning their share off games, then that’s great to challenge for new Axis strategies. Actually, Halifax Rules eliminates one of my favorite house rules which was to only give the +2 SBR bonus to Strategic Bombers departing from an airbase. Now with the increased production units, it’s not needed and we can go back to giving Bombers the +2 damage bonus no matter where they left from.
Here’s what I like about Halifax Rules, and how it might help balance G40:
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With a single UK income, the removal of the Canadian territories will dilute the UK economy a little, but not to much.
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A single UK economy will make the overall game slightly easier to manage, as well as provide the UK player with more freedom as to where they place new units.
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New production units make it more difficult for Japan to bomb the Pacific economy into the ground, with larger factories that can take more damage points, it will be much easier for India to absorb damage as well as pay it off.
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With a larger Allied economy in the Atlantic, the idea of Germany steam rolling to Moscow is less viable because the Allies can build a D-Day force faster.
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With more strategy options open to the Allies, we’ll see more games go off in different directions, but not so much that they go off the road and crash.
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With the minor factory limitations, there will no longer be massive fleets spawning in the middle of nowhere.
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With the Canadian territories having Canadian emblems on them and not British, it’s almost as if the map was made for this idea.
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The alternative British roundel once used to track UK pacific income can now easily be used to track the Commonwealth income.
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With the ANZAC and Canadian incomes as well as production options combined, the Allies have more freedom to buy more significant units on either the Europe side, or the Pacific side.
-Players may be more concerned with protecting their territories with Industrial Complexes knowing that a downgraded IC may never be built again.
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Although these rules might seem to overwhelmingly favor the Allies, consider that not a single extra unit or IPC has been given to the Allies, in fact they lost a couple of national objectives.
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Although I’m gonna paint my plastic ICs blue for Industrial Complexes, red for Major Factories, and green for Minor Factories… monopoly hotels and houses could also work well.
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Having colored production units will help players associate the max amount of units allowable for each facility (blue for 10 units on an Industrial Complex, red for 5 units on a Major Factory, and green for 3 units on a Minor Factory).
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Very easy to now play a 7 player game… Germany / Russia / Japan / America / Commonwealth with China / Britain with France / Italy.
