14L G40 bonusbent (axis) - Whackamatt (Allies+10)

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
            Chinese buy 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese
            4 infantry moved from Szechwan to Yunnan
            2 infantry moved from Kweichow to Yunnan
            2 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Chahar
            1 fighter moved from Szechwan to Chahar
            1 infantry moved from Shensi to Szechwan

Combat - Chinese
            Battle in Chahar
                Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                Chinese win, taking Chahar from Japanese with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Battle in Yunnan
                Chinese attack with 6 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 artillery
                Chinese win, taking Yunnan from Japanese with 5 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery
                Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Chinese
            1 fighter moved from Chahar to Suiyuyan

Place Units - Chinese
            4 infantry placed in Szechwan
            Chinese undo move 1.
            4 infantry placed in Szechwan

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 10 PUs; end with 10 PUs total
            Objective Chinese 1 Burma Road: Chinese met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 16 PUs

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 1

Combat Move - British
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from 39 Sea Zone: 1 transport
            EDIT: Removing units owned by UK_Pacific from 39 Sea Zone: 1 transport
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to 39 Sea Zone: 2 transports
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            1 destroyer moved from 39 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 39 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 37 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone
            EDIT: British undo move 2.
            EDIT: British undo move 1.
            1 infantry moved from India to 39 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 39 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Malaya to 37 Sea Zone
            EDIT: 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 39 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            EDIT: 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 37 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 39 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 39 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 98 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 91 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Malta to 97 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to 96 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to 97 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to 97 Sea Zone

Do you scramble in 97?

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - British
            British buy 9 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific buy 5 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from 39 Sea Zone: 1 transport
            EDIT: Removing units owned by UK_Pacific from 39 Sea Zone: 1 transport
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to 39 Sea Zone: 2 transports
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            1 destroyer moved from 39 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 39 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 37 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone
            EDIT: British undo move 2.
            EDIT: British undo move 1.
            1 infantry moved from India to 39 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 39 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Malaya to 37 Sea Zone
            EDIT: 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 39 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            EDIT: 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 37 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 39 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 39 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 98 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 91 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Malta to 97 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to 96 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to 97 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to 97 Sea Zone

Combat - British
            Battle in 97 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber
                Italians defend with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 transport
                British win, taking 97 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 31
                Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
                Casualties for Italians: 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 transport
            Battle in 96 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 cruiser and 1 fighter
                Italians defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport
                British win with 1 cruiser and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 15
                Casualties for Italians: 1 destroyer and 1 transport

Non Combat Move - British
            1 bomber moved from 97 Sea Zone to Malta
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 97 Sea Zone to Malta
            1 fighter moved from 96 Sea Zone to Malta
            1 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Egypt
            1 infantry moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra
                  UK_Pacific take Sumatra from Dutch
            1 infantry moved from 44 Sea Zone to Celebes
                  UK_Pacific take Celebes from Dutch
            1 infantry moved from West India to Eastern Persia
                  British take Eastern Persia from Neutral_Allies
            1 fighter and 2 infantry moved from Burma to India
            1 destroyer moved from 71 Sea Zone to 72 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to Rhodesia
            1 infantry moved from Egypt to 98 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 98 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 80 Sea Zone to Persia
                  British take Persia from Neutral_Allies
            1 aaGun, 1 fighter and 2 infantry moved from Scotland to United Kingdom
            1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from 110 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Ontario to Quebec

Place Units - British
            9 infantry placed in United Kingdom

Turn Complete - British
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 106 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,2
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 109 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,1
            British collect 27 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 28 PUs total
            Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 33 PUs

Place Units - UK_Pacific
            5 infantry placed in India

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific collect 24 PUs; end with 26 PUs total
            Some Units in India change ownership: 5 infantry

I am debating this one.  Did you know you can post the file with the dice results so I can see it?  Unless you’re on a mac, you can save during the battle and post.  When the select casualties screen comes up, hit cancel.  Then you can save the file and manually upload.

I get to then open the file, see how many hits you’ve got, where the units came from, who’s in the battle, etc.  Piecing it together on the forum is difficult.

I disagree with “the dice results don’t count”.  You can’t roll them up, then say they don’t count.  It looks as though i did pretty well on the rolls (3/4 hits Round 1, 1/2 Round 2, 1/1 Round 3) you’re asking me to disctount, which makes it feel suspicious.  “I’ll just roll it up, and if it goes bad for me, I’ll say it was a mistake and ask for a do-over.”  While I’m not claiming you did that, can you understand how someone on the other side of the internet could interpret it as such?

I’ve been on your end in similar situations, where I attack with overwhelming force and assumed I didn’t need an OOL because it would be obvious or I would just anihilate them Round 1, so I roll it up.  Then I decide for my opponent and don’t ask, and things go badly.  "Oh if only I had asked for his casualties, I wouldn’t have attacked just planes in a SZ where they have no place to land.

As I see it, REGARDLESS of what casualities I select, my rolls should stand as Triple A rolled them.  It was not my mistake to keep rolling before casualties were known.

HOWEVER, in order to be fair and less of an absolutist, I say we use the dice as rolled up to the point where my casualty selection would have made a difference.  As such:

ROUND 1 dice for both sides still apply.  You lose SS, CC, DD, continue on with Bmr Ftr Ftr.  I take 3 hits and now choose to lose 2 Ftr and take a CV hit.

This is where you can decide to keep attacking and we both roll in the forums from this point.  It is a fair compromise.  Let me know if you continue on to sink my CV & CC, and we can roll it up (or not)

@bonusbent:

Instead I first fought all other battles, but the one in SZ 97. In SZ97 I then rolled the attack and scored 3 hits. I then posted on the forum and waited for a response, but you were offline. I then posted on the forum again asking you for your OOL. I actually waited for some time. When you didnt answer I posted my last message asking you to ignore the dice results.

So do you continue on with the naval battle after my three hits?  You didn’t answer.

I have stated my case, and nothing you said above has really changed my opinion.  If the dice results for Round 1 apply for one side, they apply for the other.

1. When the game requires a decision from your opponent, you must wait for them.  The decision for OOL in a battle is no different than if you had a question about scrambling or intercepting.  Hence for larger battles, people sometimes ask for OOL before combat starts, or post turns during.
   2)  You cannot discount valid dice results from the server.  Everything I have in the battle gets a defensive roll, regardless of casualty selection.  The timing of your posts and the dice results are irrelevant.
2. You did not “wait some time”.  It was less than 20 minutes between all of your forum posts.

Let me know if you wish to continue the attack, and we can forum roll any other combat rounds and you can edit in the results.

@bonusbent:

Why should you be allowed to roll your defense first and then select casualties? That is what you would get with your “compromise”.

BECAUSE YOU MADE THE MISTAKE OF ROLLING.  You asked me to disregard those rolls, and I did not consent to such.  Therefore, because you did not wait for my reply, it is my right to insist upon their use.

My point is you can’t ask someone to throw away legitimite dice rolls.

QUESTION:  Would I still have to roll for all of my units on defense for the first round?
ANSWER:  Yes.

QUESTION:  Would casualty selection have affected what units get to roll?
ANSWER:  No.

QUESTION:  Did you roll those dice through Triple A?
ANSWER:  Yes.

You can forfeit if that’s what you’re saying.  :evil:

And what attitude is that?  That I insist upon following the rules and etiqutte for forum-based game?  You’re the one with the perplezing inability to accept 3 hits in the grand scheme of a Global 40 game to atone for a mistake you made.

Had your first reply been, “I didn’t know your OOL but clicked through the battle anyway.  Let’s ignore all of it and forum roll / edit  everything.” I would have been more accepting of the mistake.

I am okay with rolling the whole battle in the forum if you wish to continue.