2014 G40 league rules

I’d like to propose a general amnesty for the 72 hour rule for week of Christmas and perhaps the new year.  This saves people from having to book off game time over what is a pretty busy holiday time.

I’m not saying no turns be played, just that anyone going over the 72 hour turn limit would be immune to a formal bump; a clock suspension for the 2 weeks of the holidays.

@PGMatt:

I’d like to propose a general amnesty for the 72 hour rule for week of Christmas and perhaps the new year.  This saves people from having to book off game time over what is a pretty busy holiday time.

I’m not saying no turns be played, just that anyone going over the 72 hour turn limit would be immune to a formal bump; a clock suspension for the 2 weeks of the holidays.

this should go without saying really.  it’s Christmas people!  :wink: :-)

Hi,

In my game with JuanSpain, we have a discussion about the rules, and we have agreed that we will accept your decision.
Before starting the game, we agreed don’t use the edit mode to correct strategic human mistakes of non-combat movements. We only use edit mode in very exceptional cases, if the machine does not allow something obviously legal.

He is Germany and moved his turn completely and posted turn summary in the forum. In this turn, he didn’t make combat moves, only non-combat movement and placed units that he bought. Then he realized that there were english subs in Canada, that he haven’t seen before,  and he want to repeat their turn to change his non-combat movement. He say that it doesn’t affect the game and it’s allowed by the rules.

I’m not agreed with him. I think we have very much time to think our movements and see whole map, but once you’ve made ​​a decision and moved, and posted turn summary in forum, if you made a mistake you should take it. I think that human errors are also part of the game. This german non-combat movement affect the war and english movements.

Please, we need to know your decision as moderators of the game about if he can repeat his turn. We will accept your decision. Thanks.

yes, the agreement was made by private message.
I’ll tell JuanSpain that confirm this agreement in this forum or send you a personal message.

Don’t worry, I haven’t secrets and I don’t care that “peanut gallery” chiming…… :-D

Thank you very much for the quick answer.

@Senor_Ralpa:

yes, the agreement was made by private message.
I’ll tell JuanSpain that confirm this agreement in this forum or send you a personal message.

Don’t worry, I haven’t secrets and I don’t care that “peanut gallery” chiming…… :-D

Thank you very much for the quick answer.

the peanut gallery says even if the agreement was made, first time offense would be nice to let pass (with you in turn getting one pass at a later time).  Then clearly delineated rules in the thread with strict enforcement if you really want to play this way.  We are just talking about changes to noncombat movements right?

Cheers

@Senor_Ralpa:

yes, the agreement was made by private message.
I’ll tell JuanSpain that confirm this agreement in this forum or send you a personal message.

Don’t worry, I haven’t secrets and I don’t care that “peanut gallery” chiming…… :-D

Thank you very much for the quick answer.

gamerman is right you should send these types of requests in a personal message, otherwise the peanut gallery throws in their opinion.

so i will be one of those nuts.

the base rules should be a map posted is final. i allow my opponent to change noncombat and expect that they do the same for me. i would think less of my opponent for not allowing noncombat edits, but i do think it is their right to do so.

now if you made an agreement saying you would allow noncombat edits then that is different, but the base rules should be up to the opponent if you can edit.

Hi,

I also don´t mind using private messages or opened ones for this discussion with the moderators. Will start opened and will move to private if moderators decide that is the best way to proceed.

Senor_Ralpa contacted me and proposed a game with no tech, low luck and no Edits. I accepted that, and a bid of +11 for allies as Senor_Ralpa is beginner.

It was not explicitly discussed on the agreement, but my understanding with players concerned about the use of Edit, is that they are concerned about:

1. Having to check whether the Edits where legal or not (making validation of the opponent turn complex and time consuming)
2. Not being sure whether the opponent took advantage of knowing combat results, when applying the Edits after them
3. What kind of Edits to accept (Purchase, combat, non combat, place…)

And not just because it allows you to correct a mistake.

I repeated the turn because I was correcting a Non combat mistake after having posted the turn, as I did not see subs in Canada until I reviewed the map afterwards. I recognice it was an easy initial turn (round 2) and played a bit quickly. There was only one combat with no dice involved and it was repeated anyway (fighter attacking transport), and so, no issues related to other Edit function concerns appear in what I did.

Personally, I always accept repeated turns by my opponent if that happened before I downloaded the file and/or posted new movements, because I consider that if the opponent decided a better move on his/her own and with no additional information (spetially not changing combat moves/results), there is no reason for not accepting it.

I have been allowed to do so by the rest of the players until now and allowed them also.

Even when the opponent asks for a completely repeated turn with combat changes included, I may accept it if I did not move yet and I believe the combat results are not part of the decision, but the strategy was changed by a better one. I consider all that, part of a fair play.

It is true that I had never agreed a no Edits game (nobody asked until now), and that I repeated the turn to correct a mistake, but the spirit and implications of Edit is much more than that as I explained above, in fact, I did the change with no Edits. Perhaps we should have agreed also on restricting the possibility to reload a game turn prior to opponent download, where no combat results differ, or even restricting repeating the combat moves, and make the game even more strict, but that was not agreed.

As Senor_Ralpa said, I will also accept moderators decision on how to continue this game.

Both turn files were posted, so Senor_Ralpa can cotinue selecting the one the moderators decide.

Cheers

Juan

gamerman, for future league reference is the rule that the first map posted is the map to play?
and only if your opponent allows you to edit can you do so (or have a pregame agreement to allow it).

i allow noncombat edits for my opponents and have made noncombat edits myself many times.
but is this not just good etiquette and sportsmanship and not part of the rules?

Ok, agreed Gamerman.

Thanks

Juan

@JuanSpain:

Ok, agreed Gamerman.

Thanks

Juan

I suggest documentation in your game thread.

I prefer to strictly follow the rules and don’t use edit. And rules are very clear about what you can do in every phase.
I think it’s better and avoid possible confusion, discussions and conflict.
Also they are the same rules for everyone.

I’m a beginner, and I make a lot of mistakes, but I try to learn from them and don´t make them again, but I think that human errors are part of the game.
Anyway it’s my choice, I understand some people prefer to play with edit.

I agree in future games, it’s best to agree everything before to start the game.
Thank you all for your time and your help.
See you.

@Senor_Ralpa:

I prefer to strictly follow the rules and don’t use edit. And rules are very clear about what you can do in every phase.

I understand what you mean and I really think that this is a good approach in a live game.

However, most people on this board play multiple games at the same time. It is not unusual for some players to have 10+ simultaneous games.
You can’t spend so much time on each of these games and therefor you do make mistakes.

I usually download the file, make my move within 5 or 10 minutes, and post it full of mistakes.  :-P

Vance that is bloody funny.
I am worse than Monty. I take an eternity to post, then worry I did wrong!
I could never play more than one league game at a time.