2014 G40 league rules

Soulblighter

Basically we can have our Chinese Navy until November :lol:

gamerman01

Chinese navy is against the rule book. You can have any ground or air forces until November

Zhukov44

thank you for your answers, it�s an interesting issue……in my opinion it must be forbidden too in the bid the use of fighters for the chinese…but probably will open amazing oportunities too

A chinese fighter is an interesting bid idea but I hesititate from trying it because it cannot attack naval units.

Jennifer

@Zhukov44:

@Senor_Ralpa:

thank you for your answers, itï¿½s an interesting issue……in my opinion it must be forbidden too in the bid the use of fighters for the chinese…but probably will open amazing oportunities too

A chinese fighter is an interesting bid idea but I hesititate from trying it because it cannot attack naval units.

It would only be nice because you could drop infantry on the territory you land it on no matter where it lands. But I think a British fighter would be better because it is more universal in usage - it can attack navy, it can leave China, etc. Even better might be a second transport off the coast of India, come to think of it, hmm….think I might start requiring bids to be ground units for MY PERSONAL GAMES lol.

Zhukov44

@Cmdr:

@Zhukov44:

@Senor_Ralpa:

thank you for your answers, it�s an interesting issue……in my opinion it must be forbidden too in the bid the use of fighters for the chinese…but probably will open amazing oportunities too

A chinese fighter is an interesting bid idea but I hesititate from trying it because it cannot attack naval units.

It would only be nice because you could drop infantry on the territory you land it on no matter where it lands. But I think a British fighter would be better because it is more universal in usage - it can attack navy, it can leave China, etc. Even better might be a second transport off the coast of India, come to think of it, hmm….think I might start requiring bids to be ground units for MY PERSONAL GAMES lol.

Yup, an extra India transport is quite versatile–you can use it to attack Italian east africa or to snag islands round 1.

Jennifer

or both.

gamerman01

OK, astute P@nther has noticed that FAQ/errata have been updated for AA50, P40 and E40.

Even though it wasn’t done properly (listed as a FAQ that contradicts the rulebook, instead of errata that CHANGES the rulebook), clearly the rulemakers have made an attempt to close the naval loophole involving transports/submarines (the MagicQ loophole).

So for any NEW games started in 2014 league and beyond, the rulebook has changed. You are allowed to escape your sea zone and also simultaneously attack subs/transports that started in your zone.

gamerman01

The latest FAQ clarifies that you may COMBAT MOVE whatever ships you want, away from a zone to avoid combat even if it’s not a hostile zone (only has subs/transports).

HOWEVER, it is important to note that it is a combat move away from the zone to avoid combat, so just as if the zone were hostile (surface warships), you CANNOT load up transports unless they are doing an amphibious assault this turn, and since ships are moved in the combat movement phase, they cannot do anything in the non-combat movement phase (transports will not be able to load/unload in the non-combat movement phase)

If you have any questions, please ask.
League games are played by the rulebook and official FAQ/errata, and the official FAQ was amended recently for the unintended rulebook wording that only allowed you to make a combat move that did not result in combat (escaping combat) from HOSTILE sea zones so that you can now also escape combat in non-hostile sea zones.

It should be noted that many of the implications of escaping combat still exist (If you noncom subs into an enemy fleet, they still won’t be able to attack your subs and also use the transports in non-com - can only make amphibious assaults with them).
The only unintended portion of the rulebook per Krieghund, is the specification that the zone be HOSTILE.

Soulblighter

There used to be a file that mentioned all the situations that require a dice to be rolled on the forum, but I can’t seem ton find it.

gamerman01

A Triple A bug has been fixed since then (subs firing at wrong time)

But still, good idea to roll mixed fleet battles on the forum, or with various tech situations (rockets, paratroopers). Reviewing the Triple A problems spreadsheet list may alert you to some situations where you should roll dice on the forum…

Soulblighter

@Gamerman01:

A Triple A bug has been fixed since then (subs firing at wrong time)

But still, good idea to roll mixed fleet battles on the forum, or with various tech situations (rockets, paratroopers). Reviewing the Triple A problems spreadsheet list may alert you to some situations where you should roll dice on the forum…

But where is the spreadsheet :P?

gamerman01

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cS3hFwoBP0rWr3208jw1LAtCvHYa9Ji9uU8PwbCMIwM/edit

Karl7

Ok, I am officially asking for a change to the league rules. As has happened to all of us, I just had a game where the Axis (me) got killed round 1 – typical stuff with Germany losing its planes and Italy getting totally destroyed etc. No crazy battles, just dice running away.

While it is “possible” for the Axis to recover, the game is designed so that the Axis can leverage their better units to make up the economic ground before the Allies can bring their economic weight to bear. This obviously won’t likely happen if the Axis lose their good units right out of the gate.

So here is my proposed rule change:

At the end of the first round in a league game, the Axis player only may declare a redo for the first round, and the game is restarted from the beginning of Germany’s turn. This may be done only once per game. Once the redo is used, the Axis play must continue or concede. If a redo is opted for, the Allies automatically receive +5 to their bid and may place their bid before the German turn.

Gamerman criticized this idea on the grounds that it would give license to players to do crazy stuff. But I think this would be minimized by the fact that only the Axis can declare a redo and there really aren’t any “crazy” game altering moves the Axis can do R1 they already aren’t committed to. Sure Japan could try to capture Hawaii R1 or Italy capture Cairo R1, but the reality is the Axis R1 is pretty set.

Thoughts?

Soulblighter

@Karl7:

Ok, I am officially asking for a change to the league rules. As has happened to all of us, I just had a game where the Axis (me) got killed round 1 – typical stuff with Germany losing its planes and Italy getting totally destroyed etc. No crazy battles, just dice running away.

While it is “possible” for the Axis to recover, the game is designed so that the Axis can leverage their better units to make up the economic ground before the Allies can bring their economic weight to bear. This obviously won’t likely happen if the Axis lose their good units right out of the gate.

So here is my proposed rule change:

At the end of the first round in a league game, the Axis player only may declare a redo for the first round, and the game is restarted from the beginning of Germany’s turn. This may be done only once per game. Once the redo is used, the Axis play must continue or concede. If a redo is opted for, the Allies automatically receive +5 to their bid and may place their bid before the German turn.

Gamerman criticized this idea on the grounds that it would give license to players to do crazy stuff. But I think this would be minimized by the fact that only the Axis can declare a redo and there really aren’t any “crazy” game altering moves the Axis can do R1 they already aren’t committed to. Sure Japan could try to capture Hawaii R1 or Italy capture Cairo R1, but the reality is the Axis R1 is pretty set.

Thoughts?

What about giving each nation a re-roll option that can only be used during the first turn of the game (defense or offense). This may solve the problem as well and honestly it is a lot easier to keep track off.

Karl7

@Soulblighter:

@Karl7:

Ok, I am officially asking for a change to the league rules. As has happened to all of us, I just had a game where the Axis (me) got killed round 1 – typical stuff with Germany losing its planes and Italy getting totally destroyed etc. No crazy battles, just dice running away.

While it is “possible” for the Axis to recover, the game is designed so that the Axis can leverage their better units to make up the economic ground before the Allies can bring their economic weight to bear. This obviously won’t likely happen if the Axis lose their good units right out of the gate.

So here is my proposed rule change:

At the end of the first round in a league game, the Axis player only may declare a redo for the first round, and the game is restarted from the beginning of Germany’s turn. This may be done only once per game. Once the redo is used, the Axis play must continue or concede. If a redo is opted for, the Allies automatically receive +5 to their bid and may place their bid before the German turn.

Gamerman criticized this idea on the grounds that it would give license to players to do crazy stuff. But I think this would be minimized by the fact that only the Axis can declare a redo and there really aren’t any “crazy” game altering moves the Axis can do R1 they already aren’t committed to. Sure Japan could try to capture Hawaii R1 or Italy capture Cairo R1, but the reality is the Axis R1 is pretty set.

Thoughts?

What about giving each nation a re-roll option that can only be used during the first turn of the game (defense or offense). This may solve the problem as well and honestly it is a lot easier to keep track off.

that’s not a bad idea

gamerman01

Just make an agreement with your opponent before starting.

Karl7

@Gamerman01:

Just make an agreement with your opponent before starting.

not many would, I think. Or at least that is my experience. Most players like it up or down. Even I do. But, when the German air force flies into the sink, you change your mind about that. Would be good to have a rule you can fall back on when your idealism is checked by the dice.

gamerman01

Part of the game, Karl :cry:

If you can’t get agreement from individuals, why would I legislate it on everyone? :-)

Karl7

@Gamerman01:

Part of the game, Karl :cry:

If you can’t get agreement from individuals, why would I legislate it on everyone? :-)

Well, there are a lot of rules that some find objectionable. I’m not sure why an idea should not become a rule just because some might not like it or otherwise agree to it face to face in a game. The rule should have a basis in reason related to the game regardless of whether it is popular.

That being said, I’m only putting this out there to breath some life into league games. As an old veteran who’s played only less fewer games than Mr. Roboto (or I guess more if you count my league totals), I can pretty quickly see the writing on the wall if the Axis get killed R1. It’s a real pain in the ass to try to slog on knowing your only hope is the Allies get killed by the dice. Better to get a second crack to set the game up properly.

Soulblighter

@Karl7:

@Gamerman01:

Part of the game, Karl :cry:

If you can’t get agreement from individuals, why would I legislate it on everyone? :-)

Well, there are a lot of rules that some find objectionable. I’m not sure why an idea should not become a rule just because some might not like it or otherwise agree to it face to face in a game. The rule should have a basis in reason related to the game regardless of whether it is popular.

That being said, I’m only putting this out there to breath some life into league games. As an old veteran who’s played only less fewer games than Mr. Roboto (or I guess more if you count my league totals), I can pretty quickly see the writing on the wall if the Axis get killed R1. It’s a real pain in the ass to try to slog on knowing your only hope is the Allies get killed by the dice. Better to get a second crack to set the game up properly.

Which is why I am suggesting you see if my earlier suggestion about the re-rolls works. Even if it does, it probably needs some tweaking. Like if you go for normal re-rolls or low luck ones etc. But a re-roll system is something players can more easily agree upon beforehand and its also easier to maintain. Hence the suggestion. Hell for a while players would have a re-roll for each player for a long time on this forum. Personally I think having the option to re-roll for an entire game is to much, but just the first round seems fair.

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