Game History
Round: 8 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese buy 2 artilleries, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 9 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; Combat Move - Japanese 1 transport moved from 21 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Shantung to 20 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Jehol to 20 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Java to 43 Sea Zone 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters, 1 infantry, 1 submarine, 2 tactical_bombers and 1 transport moved from 43 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 36 Sea Zone to Paulau 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 21 Sea Zone to 22 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 22 Sea Zone 1 armour moved from Shantung to Kiangsi 1 artillery and 5 infantry moved from Anhwe to Kiangsi 3 artilleries, 1 fighter, 4 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangtung to Kiangsi 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 21 Sea Zone to Kiangsi 1 marine moved from Kwangtung to 21 Sea Zone 2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 marine and 5 transports moved from 21 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 8 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 8 infantry and 1 marine moved from 6 Sea Zone to Korea 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 5 infantry moved from Southern Manchuria to Korea 1 fighter moved from Japan to 22 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Japan to 36 Sea Zone Combat - Japanese Battle in 22 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber Americans defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport Japanese win with 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for Japanese: 1 submarine Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer and 1 transport Battle in Kiangsi Japanese attack with 1 armour, 4 artilleries, 2 fighters, 9 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers Chinese defend with 4 artilleries and 9 infantry Japanese win, taking Kiangsi from Chinese with 1 armour, 4 artilleries, 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 25 Casualties for Japanese: 6 infantry Casualties for Chinese: 4 artilleries and 9 infantry Battle in 36 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 2 carriers, 2 destroyers, 1 submarine and 2 transports Americans defend with 1 destroyer Japanese win with 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 2 carriers, 2 destroyers, 1 submarine and 2 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer Battle in Paulau Japanese attack with 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers Americans defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry Japanese win, taking Paulau from Americans with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Casualties for Americans: 1 artillery and 1 infantry Battle in Korea Japanese attack with 1 armour, 3 artilleries, 13 infantry and 1 marine Russians defend with 1 infantry Japanese win, taking Korea from Russians with 1 armour, 3 artilleries, 13 infantry and 1 marine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Japanese 1 aaGun moved from Southern Manchuria to Korea 1 aaGun moved from Anhwe to Shantung 1 infantry moved from Shantung to Anhwe 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 marine moved from Java to 43 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 cruiser, 1 infantry, 1 marine and 1 transport moved from 43 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 infantry and 1 marine moved from 36 Sea Zone to Davao 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Paulau to 36 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kiangsi to 6 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kiangsi to Kwangtung 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 22 Sea Zone to Davao Place Units - Japanese 3 infantry placed in Shantung 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 6 infantry placed in Japan 1 destroyer placed in 6 Sea Zone Turn Complete - Japanese Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 1 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 42 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1 Japanese collect 44 PUs (1 lost to blockades); end with 44 PUs Objective Japanese 6 Home Islands: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 47 PUs Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 52 PUs2014 League Post Game Results Here
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I’m not arguing that your system isn’t putting me at the right spot or that it’s ranking ppl wrongly. It is in fact working very accurately.
I just think it’s very counter-intuitional that you’re dropping after a win, no matter who you defeated.
I take challenges from everyone, not even looking at your spreadsheet. In fact, I have not checked it for at least half a year. And I am also challenging basically everyone. Especially newcomers to that site, because I want to welcome them, give them advice and guide them. And while most of them turn out to be tier 3-4 (like Balladeer), sometimes they turn out to be quite good. Your posts made it look like I was grinding on tier 4 ppl to get cheap wins and frankly, I do not want to be perceived that way.
I’m used to ELO rating systems. In these, you just get a +1 or even a +0 when defeating a much lower opponent. Being punished for winning against a tier 4 means that I will be very careful at choosing my opponent next season. Including refusing any challenges from newcomers, which is a shame.
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If I had fully understood that aspect and not have played a single game against tier 4’s (thus removing 20 games (wins) of my belt), my ranking would be 3.4 instead of 3.3.
While it doesn’t affect me hugely, it could have put me (or anyone else) in another tier.
If your system requires me to win against tier 4’s to drop my PPG to more accurately rate me, I consider that a flaw (in an otherwise very well working system).
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Right, I hear all that and I’ve heard it before from others.
Was not trying to make you look like anything, just pointing out interesting and relevant facts, like 20-0 against tier 4.PPG is not like a high score that you should be trying to see how high you can get, not necessarily. If you take all comers, don’t expect your PPG to be maximized.
Whether you get a 3 point score that very slightly lowers your PPG or your PPG stays unchanged, the difference is not significant.
I would argue that you should NOT be close to tier 1 (3.40) because you have gone 1-15 against tier 1’s. So I actually think that it’s good that beating a tier 4 is 3 points and would slightly lower a player who has PPG over 3.00. You are 4-3 against Karl who is at 2.72 and 4-1 against Juan who is at 2.65. Seems 3.30 is where you should be, definitely no higher. So in my mind you are reinforcing that it is appropriate to drop slightly for playing tier 4’s.
A tier 4 is 1.50 or below. You went 20-0 against them this year. If you’re just playing to have fun (taking all comers) that’s awesome, that’s what the league is all about. But the idea that you can just play any challenger who comes along without considering their rating at all, and that your rating should be maximized, just doesn’t really mix, not with this system.
ELO has flaws too. It is easy to become over-rated, by beating up on weaklings a lot.
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I will repeat a point I’ve made multiple times before.
Even if your PPG stays the same or dips slightly after a win over a weak player, you are getting a benefit. Your PPG is becoming firmer because you have completed more games. If you subsequently lose in a competitive match, your PPG will not drop as much as it would have, if you had never recorded the previous win against a weaker player.
I am not willing to tweak the system to take away the possibility that you will drop when over-matching another player and winning, because that will have other effects, namely, creating more over-rated players.
You can already easily be over-rated. We have players who play a few games, beat a couple tier 4’s and a couple tier 3’s, and they’re at 3.5 or above and tier 1. But would probably get waxed by a tier 1 if they actually played one.
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ok going to have to ask for a call on my game. he’s been mia for a long time now.
hobo (axis) vs axisandalliesplayer (allies +12)
http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=33739.45
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I will repeat a point I’ve made multiple times before.
Even if your PPG stays the same or dips slightly after a win over a weak player, you are getting a benefit. Your PPG is becoming firmer because you have completed more games. If you subsequently lose in a competitive match, your PPG will not drop as much as it would have, if you had never recorded the previous win against a weaker player.
I am not willing to tweak the system to take away the possibility that you will drop when over-matching another player and winning, because that will have other effects, namely, creating more over-rated players.
You can already easily be over-rated. We have players who play a few games, beat a couple tier 4’s and a couple tier 3’s, and they’re at 3.5 or above and tier 1. But would probably get waxed by a tier 1 if they actually played one.
I think it is not possible to achieve that a win does not reduce your PPG, Roboto is 3.30 but others like you are closed to 6, so there is no way to achieve that wins don´t reduce PPG.
The system works pretty good I think, may be what could be studied is your Tier not being reduced by a win (allthough your PPG moves), which might facilitate Roboto and others accepting more challenges. May be a good point with current Tier barriers is that all wins are increased by 0.5 in their value, so at least playing a Tier 4 does not mean reducing your Tier (if you win).
It would also mean a few more players reaching Tier 1, but not many, and PPG would still order them the same way. If the effect in Tier 1,s number being increased is not desired, may be only the win to be increased by 0,5 is the one vs a Tier 4.
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As always, thanks for feedback and ideas, Juan and Mr Roboto
I consider everything I hear
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I take challenges from everyone
Mr. Roboto, for the purposes of the league, the playoffs and rankings, I would suggest that you spend a bit more time evaluating who you play in the league, I only suggest this as I am now doing the same to help my PPG next season. I suggest this assuming you want to have a higher rating and make a bid for the playoffs. No system is perfect but this system seems to work out quite well.
Like you I used to welcome newcomers and help teach them “in the league”. Now I suggest we play a non-league game. Still fun, helps newbie’s, you can try out new strategies etc…and it won’t even slightly hurt your PPG……
Just my two cents
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Thanks, JWW
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Ghost (allies +13) over Arathorn (Axis)
http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=33723.120
Still very much up for grabs, with a slight advantage for Allies, but I won’t have time to complete this in the near future.
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snake11eyes (allies +12) over arathorn (Axis)
http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=33724.135
I hoped for the longest time that I would be able to stretch for a pacific win after disastrous dice decimated the European theatre consistently throughout the game. Destruction of German airforce for nothing over the course of early rounds led to disaster, and Japan couldn’t do the job though they were close at one point.
good game snake
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Wheatbeer (Axis) over Arathorn (Allies + 22)
Well played by Wheatbeer in European scenario.
I still argue this game is contested, but the economic advantage of a super Italy would probably grind this win in for the Axis. And with me not having time in the weeks ahead, wheat deserves the win.
Axis are 4-0 in the games between Arathorn and Wheat, even with very large bids.
http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=34221.150
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My apologies to my worthy opponents for delays and not being able to claim their wins at the rolls of final dice, but my schedule has disabled me from quality play the next few weeks, and I don’t want to hinder you in the pursuit of wrapping up our games before the playoffs start.
I wasn’t going to make the cut for the playoffs anyway at this point unless something drastic changed, and I wouldn’t have been able to participate even if I should have qualified.
My ranking will drop to tier 2 :( and should thus create some changes among the top players.
May the best win.
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My apologies to my worthy opponents for delays and not being able to claim their wins at the rolls of final dice, but my schedule has disabled me from quality play the next few weeks, and I don’t want to hinder you in the pursuit of wrapping up our games before the playoffs start.
I wasn’t going to make the cut for the playoffs anyway at this point unless something drastic changed, and I wouldn’t have been able to participate even if I should have qualified.
My ranking will drop to tier 2 :( and should thus create some changes among the top players.
May the best win.
you’ll always be tier 1 in my book arathorn! :-P
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Have you checked - would some of these opponents prefer to wait for you?
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You would be 3.46 if you claimed all 3 losses. That would be a shame, to the 10 players who played full games against a 4.00.
Surely one or two of these 3 tier 1’s you’re currently playing would be happy to give you a long break
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You would be 3.46 if you claimed all 3 losses. That would be a shame, to the 10 players who played full games against a 4.00.
Surely one or two of these 3 tier 1’s you’re currently playing would be happy to give you a long break
arathorn probably wants a clean slate, no carryovers to next year. i think 0.04 off of tier 1 can be a gamerman judgement call on remaining tier 1, don’t you think? we all know arathorn is a tier 1 quality player.
cheers
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My apologies to my worthy opponents for delays and not being able to claim their wins at the rolls of final dice, but my schedule has disabled me from quality play the next few weeks, and I don’t want to hinder you in the pursuit of wrapping up our games before the playoffs start.
I wasn’t going to make the cut for the playoffs anyway at this point unless something drastic changed, and I wouldn’t have been able to participate even if I should have qualified.
My ranking will drop to tier 2 :( and should thus create some changes among the top players.
May the best win.
Arathorn is a class act……
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You would be 3.46 if you claimed all 3 losses. That would be a shame, to the 10 players who played full games against a 4.00.
Surely one or two of these 3 tier 1’s you’re currently playing would be happy to give you a long break
arathorn probably wants a clean slate, no carryovers to next year. i think 0.04 off of tier 1 can be a gamerman judgement call on remaining tier 1, don’t you think? we all know arathorn is a tier 1 quality player.
cheers
No judgment calls this year. They’re the official rankings. Let him answer for himself. I think it’s likely he’ll reconsider.
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@JWW:
I take challenges from everyone
Mr. Roboto, for the purposes of the league, the playoffs and rankings, I would suggest that you spend a bit more time evaluating who you play in the league, I only suggest this as I am now doing the same to help my PPG next season. I suggest this assuming you want to have a higher rating and make a bid for the playoffs. No system is perfect but this system seems to work out quite well.
Like you I used to welcome newcomers and help teach them “in the league”. Now I suggest we play a non-league game. Still fun, helps newbie’s, you can try out new strategies etc�and it won’t even slightly hurt your PPG�…
Just my two cents
Well thanks for the advice, although I did not need it. I already decided not to play against any tier 4’s next season.
It’s a shame, but oh well…





