XDAP Final… eh, i mean, Semifinal - Allweneedishank vs. TeamBoldDutch

GG gentlemen - it was a pleasure to play you.  egypt held with 3 ftrs.

the 10 japanese units that crossed over on the final turn were the difference.

if you are interested, we can begin a discussion by PM regarding the elements of this game.  i know everyone is going to question the attacking of the neutrals, which i agree in hindsight was a mistake.  i have also come to believe that our approach in the pacific was likely not optimal - hank held on to everything for far too long.  my biggest worry was if hank simply took his entire japanese airforce and flew it west to europe the game could have been over many turns ago.

even better than debating the how, why, and what if’s of this game would be for me to get some high quality games in with either of you guys - AWN would you be interested in a league or nonleague game wherein there will of course be nothing but game posts (unless cow chimes in, which i doubt he will).

CONGRATULATIONS TO THE VICTORS, you for sure earned my respect.  Thank you for the game.  I apologize for my tournament persona if it offended anyone, as i said, i just enjoy playing the role sometimes.  for those that enjoy it i’m happy to do it (cow) for those who don’t, i can turn it off completely (just ask Karl).

Now, can i please get some high level competition to test my theories on broken victory conditions?

Cheers

thanks for being willing to continue AWN, but we have no possibility of regaining a victory city prior to G16 so the game is technically over.  several of the moves made recently have all been within the context of the victory conditions so the game went off the rails essentially when japan sent the 10 units over toward egypt.  it’s quite unfortunate because i think there was an incredible amount of great gameplay left in this one if the victory conditions would have been more evolved.

cheers

@alexgreat:

Congratulations Hank and AWN!

ok cow, right on time for your final match to begin Nov 1.  good luck to all, should be fun to watch for at least a few rounds.  :wink:

@Soulblighter:

@Boldfresh:

GG gentlemen - it was a pleasure to play you. �egypt held with 3 ftrs.

the 10 japanese units that crossed over on the final turn were the difference.

if you are interested, we can begin a discussion by PM regarding the elements of this game. �i know everyone is going to question the attacking of the neutrals, which i agree in hindsight was a mistake. �i have also come to believe that our approach in the pacific was likely not optimal - hank held on to everything for far too long. �my biggest worry was if hank simply took his entire japanese airforce and flew it west to europe the game could have been over many turns ago.

even better than debating the how, why, and what if’s of this game would be for me to get some high quality games in with either of you guys - AWN would you be interested in a league or nonleague game wherein there will of course be nothing but game posts (unless cow chimes in, which i doubt he will).

CONGRATULATIONS TO THE VICTORS, you for sure earned my respect. �Thank you for the game. �I apologize for my tournament persona if it offended anyone, as i said, i just enjoy playing the role sometimes. �for those that enjoy it i’m happy to do it (cow) for those who don’t, i can turn it off completely (just ask Karl).

Now, can i please get some high level competition to test my theories on broken victory conditions?

Cheers

You threw away the game when you declared war upon the true neutrals without any way to gain from that. you gave the Axis free troops and IPC and gained no IPCs yourself after declaring war. From my perspective there was no reason to declare war upon the true neutrals. I haven�t played AA for very long so I might be missing something. The thing is. The only time you declare war upon the true neutrals is when you can you get Turkey this way and also keep it this way. Spain might be a good second. Other then that you have South America, which is interesting as its 6 more ipcs, but the strategic value of Spain and Turkey generaly outweighs that. You can keep complaining about those planes, but the truth is that you lost the game the moment you declared war upon the true neutrals.

the reason we declared war on the neutrals is that one tac was a giant swing on moscow.  you wouldn’t believe it, but the G7 attack went from an 80+% win in LL to a 20% win or something like that.  i thought that if AWN didn’t get moscow on G7, then by the time he got it it would not matter any more.

however, a few more turns of the japanese airforce becoming a behemoth showed me that even if we had not attacked the neutrals and given the extra infantry, the japanese could have vacated the pacific and there was no way the allies could have held london and egypt.  moscow and volgo were going to fall.

personally, i think the mass carriers strategy is what created the crossover possibility for japan - too slow to develop, so japan’s income stayed too high for too long.  a slowly developing game allowing japan to pump out so much air creates the devastating crossover possibility i was referring to.  it wouldn’t if japan spent all it’s money on fleet, but when it is building 3 aircraft a round, it creates the imbalance possibility of the japanese AF swooping into europe as a massively overpowered wrecking ball/impenetrable defensive shield.  and at no penalty to the overall victory connditions as far as the allies are concerned.  it doesn’t matter even if tokyo falls if the wrecking ball caused the europe victory, which it easily can.

problem is, i don’t know a much better strategy to come at japan than we employed.  i know it could be better, but i don’t know if it could be ENOUGH better to reach a tipping point in the pacific early enough.    just some thoughts, please feel free to enlighten me.