XDAP Final… eh, i mean, Semifinal - Allweneedishank vs. TeamBoldDutch

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 15

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 1 bomber, 7 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
            2 bombers moved from Tobruk to Egypt
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Tobruk to Egypt
            1 fighter moved from Tobruk to Egypt
            2 bombers moved from Caucasus to Egypt
            6 fighters moved from 96 Sea Zone to Egypt
            2 infantry moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 20 Sea Zone to Kwangtung
            1 infantry moved from Tobruk to 96 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 96 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 98 Sea Zone to Egypt
            1 infantry moved from Southeast Mexico to 89 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 89 Sea Zone to 88 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from British Guiana to 88 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 88 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Portugal

Combat - Americans
            Americans creates battle in territory 42 Sea Zone
            Americans creates battle in territory 37 Sea Zone
            Battle in Portugal
            Battle in Kwangtung
            Battle in Egypt
                Americans attack with 4 bombers, 7 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys
                Japanese defend with 1 artillery, 8 bombers and 1 infantry; Germans defend with 3 bombers, 5 fighters and 10 tactical_bombers; Italians defend with 2 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 bomber, 1 factory_minor, 1 fighter and 1 harbour
                Italians win, taking 42 Sea Zone from Japanese, taking 37 Sea Zone from Japanese, taking Portugal from Italians, taking Kwangtung from Japanese with 2 aaGuns, 1 artillery, 8 bombers, 6 fighters, 1 infantry and 10 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is -81
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 bomber
                Casualties for Germans: 2 bombers
                Casualties for Italians: 1 bomber
                Casualties for Americans: 4 bombers, 7 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys

Non Combat Move - Americans
            1 infantry moved from Tobruk to 96 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer, 1 infantry and 6 transports moved from 96 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun moved from Finland to Norway
            7 bombers moved from Eastern United States to 91 Sea Zone
            7 bombers moved from 91 Sea Zone to Algeria
            1 armour moved from Kiangsu to Kwangtung
            5 destroyers and 1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 37 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
            2 carriers moved from 42 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
            3 fighters moved from New Zealand to 66 Sea Zone
            3 fighters moved from 66 Sea Zone to Brazil
            3 fighters moved from New South Wales to New Zealand

Place Units - Americans
            1 bomber and 7 fighters placed in Eastern United States
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Norway

Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 67 PUs; end with 67 PUs total
            Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 72 PUs
            Objective Americans 4 Philippines: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 77 PUs
            Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 82 PUs
            Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 92 PUs

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 15

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
            Chinese buy 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese
            1 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Hunan
                  Chinese take Hunan from Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Kwangsi
                  Chinese take Kwangsi from Japanese

Combat - Chinese

Non Combat Move - Chinese
            10 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Kwangtung

Place Units - Chinese
            1 infantry placed in Anhwe
            1 infantry placed in Kiangsu

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 7 PUs; end with 9 PUs total

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 15

Purchase Units - British
            British buy 2 fighters and 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 transport moved from 109 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux
            3 infantry moved from Tobruk to 96 Sea Zone
            9 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Tobruk to Egypt
            1 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to South West Africa
                  British take South West Africa from Italians
            1 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to Mozambique
                  British take Mozambique from Italians
            1 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to Rhodesia
            2 bombers and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Union of South Africa to Belgian Congo
            2 bombers and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Belgian Congo to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
            2 bombers and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Egypt
            1 mech_infantry moved from Tobruk to 96 Sea Zone
            3 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 2 transports moved from 96 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 98 Sea Zone to Egypt
            2 battleships and 2 cruisers moved from 96 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            2 armour moved from Tobruk to Egypt

Combat - British
            Battle in Rhodesia
                British attack with 1 infantry
                Italians defend with 1 mech_infantry
                British win, taking Rhodesia from Italians with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Italians: 1 mech_infantry
            Battle in Normandy Bordeaux
                British attack with 2 fighters and 2 infantry
                Germans defend with 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 3 mech_infantrys
                British win, taking Normandy Bordeaux from Germans with 2 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9
                Casualties for Germans: 3 mech_infantrys
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
            Battle in Egypt
                British attack with 2 armour, 2 bombers, 9 fighters, 3 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 4 tactical_bombers
                Japanese defend with 1 artillery, 7 bombers and 1 infantry; Germans defend with 1 bomber, 5 fighters and 10 tactical_bombers; Italians defend with 2 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor, 1 fighter and 1 harbour
                Italians win with 3 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 70
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery, 7 bombers and 1 infantry
                Casualties for Germans: 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 10 tactical_bombers
                Casualties for British: 2 armour, 2 bombers, 9 fighters, 3 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 4 tactical_bombers
                Casualties for Italians: 2 aaGuns and 1 fighter

Non Combat Move - British
            3 carriers, 1 destroyer and 1 transport moved from 96 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from Normandy Bordeaux to United Kingdom
            2 destroyers moved from 109 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone

Place Units - British
            2 fighters and 2 infantry placed in United Kingdom

Turn Complete - British
            British collect 28 PUs; end with 28 PUs total

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific

GG gentlemen - it was a pleasure to play you.  egypt held with 3 ftrs.

the 10 japanese units that crossed over on the final turn were the difference.

if you are interested, we can begin a discussion by PM regarding the elements of this game.  i know everyone is going to question the attacking of the neutrals, which i agree in hindsight was a mistake.  i have also come to believe that our approach in the pacific was likely not optimal - hank held on to everything for far too long.  my biggest worry was if hank simply took his entire japanese airforce and flew it west to europe the game could have been over many turns ago.

even better than debating the how, why, and what if’s of this game would be for me to get some high quality games in with either of you guys - AWN would you be interested in a league or nonleague game wherein there will of course be nothing but game posts (unless cow chimes in, which i doubt he will).

CONGRATULATIONS TO THE VICTORS, you for sure earned my respect.  Thank you for the game.  I apologize for my tournament persona if it offended anyone, as i said, i just enjoy playing the role sometimes.  for those that enjoy it i’m happy to do it (cow) for those who don’t, i can turn it off completely (just ask Karl).

Now, can i please get some high level competition to test my theories on broken victory conditions?

Cheers

thanks for being willing to continue AWN, but we have no possibility of regaining a victory city prior to G16 so the game is technically over.  several of the moves made recently have all been within the context of the victory conditions so the game went off the rails essentially when japan sent the 10 units over toward egypt.  it’s quite unfortunate because i think there was an incredible amount of great gameplay left in this one if the victory conditions would have been more evolved.

cheers

@alexgreat:

Congratulations Hank and AWN!

ok cow, right on time for your final match to begin Nov 1.  good luck to all, should be fun to watch for at least a few rounds.  :wink:

@Soulblighter:

@Boldfresh:

GG gentlemen - it was a pleasure to play you. �egypt held with 3 ftrs.

the 10 japanese units that crossed over on the final turn were the difference.

if you are interested, we can begin a discussion by PM regarding the elements of this game. �i know everyone is going to question the attacking of the neutrals, which i agree in hindsight was a mistake. �i have also come to believe that our approach in the pacific was likely not optimal - hank held on to everything for far too long. �my biggest worry was if hank simply took his entire japanese airforce and flew it west to europe the game could have been over many turns ago.

even better than debating the how, why, and what if’s of this game would be for me to get some high quality games in with either of you guys - AWN would you be interested in a league or nonleague game wherein there will of course be nothing but game posts (unless cow chimes in, which i doubt he will).

CONGRATULATIONS TO THE VICTORS, you for sure earned my respect. �Thank you for the game. �I apologize for my tournament persona if it offended anyone, as i said, i just enjoy playing the role sometimes. �for those that enjoy it i’m happy to do it (cow) for those who don’t, i can turn it off completely (just ask Karl).

Now, can i please get some high level competition to test my theories on broken victory conditions?

Cheers

You threw away the game when you declared war upon the true neutrals without any way to gain from that. you gave the Axis free troops and IPC and gained no IPCs yourself after declaring war. From my perspective there was no reason to declare war upon the true neutrals. I haven�t played AA for very long so I might be missing something. The thing is. The only time you declare war upon the true neutrals is when you can you get Turkey this way and also keep it this way. Spain might be a good second. Other then that you have South America, which is interesting as its 6 more ipcs, but the strategic value of Spain and Turkey generaly outweighs that. You can keep complaining about those planes, but the truth is that you lost the game the moment you declared war upon the true neutrals.

the reason we declared war on the neutrals is that one tac was a giant swing on moscow.  you wouldn’t believe it, but the G7 attack went from an 80+% win in LL to a 20% win or something like that.  i thought that if AWN didn’t get moscow on G7, then by the time he got it it would not matter any more.

however, a few more turns of the japanese airforce becoming a behemoth showed me that even if we had not attacked the neutrals and given the extra infantry, the japanese could have vacated the pacific and there was no way the allies could have held london and egypt.  moscow and volgo were going to fall.

personally, i think the mass carriers strategy is what created the crossover possibility for japan - too slow to develop, so japan’s income stayed too high for too long.  a slowly developing game allowing japan to pump out so much air creates the devastating crossover possibility i was referring to.  it wouldn’t if japan spent all it’s money on fleet, but when it is building 3 aircraft a round, it creates the imbalance possibility of the japanese AF swooping into europe as a massively overpowered wrecking ball/impenetrable defensive shield.  and at no penalty to the overall victory connditions as far as the allies are concerned.  it doesn’t matter even if tokyo falls if the wrecking ball caused the europe victory, which it easily can.

problem is, i don’t know a much better strategy to come at japan than we employed.  i know it could be better, but i don’t know if it could be ENOUGH better to reach a tipping point in the pacific early enough.    just some thoughts, please feel free to enlighten me.