XDAP Final… eh, i mean, Semifinal - Allweneedishank vs. TeamBoldDutch

as much as I hate unevenly divided luck, those LL rerolls are a bad idea, even if it sounds good initially. sorry for posting so much here, will desist until game end ;)

Bold, I am sorry but the way your are talking is just weird.

One thing, take it for granted:
You can admit your opponents played a great game a 100 times. As soon as you directly and indirectly claim the game you played (Allies +16 or 18 or so) is imbalanced by the rules, you immediately nullify the appreciation of your opponent’s performance. Period.

You CANNOT at all try to argue, twist words and believe you can solve that problem by using language. This is beyond language but 100% controlled by emotions.
And the emotions of the human nature only feel that your acknowledgment of their performance is completely devaluated by your complain about the game rules, nullified, non-existent by your complain. No arguments, no language, just emotions. You can write what you want, the result is the same and it is the same for every person on this planet (mentally ill people maybe excluded).

So you need to decide: You either got outplayed by better opponents (in case you still want to acknowledge their performance) OR the game is imbalanced (which 100% excludes acknowledging a great performance).

This is black or white my friend, trust me and don’t try to justifiy you once more, you already did more than once, nobody wants to hear another justification, just make your choice;)

@alexgreat:

as much as I hate unevenly divided luck, those LL rerolls are a bad idea, even if it sounds good initially.

I agree Alex. They are less of a safety net and more of something you plan to use to ensure your turn works out exactly how you wanted it to go. Definitely a strategic decision on our side to agree to them, but I don’t think I would want to play this way in a regular game.

Make it a normal, regular reroll, if reroll is what you want. Would improve chances, but not guarantee anything, and could even backfire.
There you are, broke my own intention of not posting anymore…

@alexgreat:

Make it a normal, regular reroll, if reroll is what you want. Would improve chances, but not guarantee anything, and could even backfire.

I find a lot of players will do this automatically if an attack goes really bad (ie/ you had 95%+ chance of winning with multiple units and instead your opponent keeps multiple units). I think if you are playing for fun and/or for the challenge of the game, then this is something you do naturally.

@alexgreat:

There you are, broke my own intention of not posting anymore…

You’re hooked. It’s too late to turn back now :-P

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 14

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 2 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 3 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            1 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Buryatia
                  Italians take Buryatia from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Western Germany to Denmark
                  Germans take Denmark from British
            1 mech_infantry moved from South West Africa to Rhodesia
                  Italians take Rhodesia from British

Combat - Italians

Non Combat Move - Italians
            1 transport moved from 80 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
            3 fighters, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern France to Southern Italy
            2 artilleries moved from Southern France to Northern Italy
            2 aaGuns and 2 infantry moved from Western Germany to Northern Italy
            1 bomber moved from Novgorod to Egypt

Place Units - Italians
            2 aaGuns, 1 airfield and 1 fighter placed in Egypt
            1 destroyer and 1 transport placed in 97 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Italians
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,6
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 105 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,3,6,3
            Italians collect 40 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 43 PUs total
            Objective Italians 4 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Italians met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 49 PUs
            Objective Italians 2 Roman Empire: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 54 PUs

Territory Summary for Italians :

Evenkiyskiy : 1 flag
    Yakut S.S.R. : 1 flag
    Timguska : 1 flag
    Kazakhstan : 1 flag
    Buryatia : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Belgian Congo : 1 flag
    Trans-Jordan : 1 flag
    Egypt : 1 flag, 2 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 bomber, 1 factory_minor, 1 fighter and 1 harbour
    South West Africa : 1 flag
    Kenya : 1 flag
    Anglo Egyptian Sudan : 1 flag
    Rhodesia : 1 flag, 1 mech_infantry
    Tanganyika Territory : 1 flag
    French Equatorial Africa : 1 flag
    Syria : 1 flag
    Denmark : 1 infantry
    Northern Italy : 2 aaGuns, 2 artilleries, 1 factory_major and 2 infantry
    Southern Italy : 1 airfield, 3 artilleries, 1 factory_minor, 3 fighters, 1 harbour, 5 infantry, 5 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber
    Karelia : 1 flag, 3 mech_infantrys
    Bessarabia : 1 flag
    Novosibirsk : 1 flag
    Portugal : 1 flag
    Turkey : 1 flag, 1 factory_minor
    Mozambique : 1 flag
    Saudi Arabia : 1 flag
    Angola : 1 flag
    Greece : 1 flag
    97 Sea Zone : 1 destroyer and 1 transport
    Iraq : 1 flag
    81 Sea Zone : 1 transport
    Northwest Persia : 1 flag
    Persia : 1 flag
    Spain : 1 flag

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 60 / 78
    Russians : 10 / 0
    Japanese : 64 / 69
    Americans : 63 / 89
    Chinese : 6 / 8
    British : 23 / 26
    UK_Pacific : 0 / 0
    Italians : 42 / 54
    ANZAC : 8 / 10
    French : 5 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 2 / 0

@Boldfresh:

JDOW, let me try to put it another way…

If you have two competitors riding in a 000 mile cycling race and one is riding a 10 kilogram bike and the other is riding a 30 kilogram bike, and the guy riding the lighter bike wins, do you think it would be terrible for the slower biker to say great ride - you did beat me on a lighter bike but nonetheless, you rode a fantastic race, probably the best race i have ever seen.  i think the winning rider, unless they have a very fragile ego, can accept the compliment without feeling like his ability to ride is being brought into question or thinking that the other rider is trying to say they could have ridden the bike even faster.  it’s just a matter of fact statement, not from emotion for me, it is just a revelation about game balance as related to victory conditions that finally totally struck home.  i had long suspected it but hoped i was wrong, but i do not think i am.  i will of course test the theory further, hopefully against hank and awn.  i we had played the axis, they may have still beaten us… but i doubt it.  and that is not me saying i think i can play the axis better than they can (i highly doubt that), it is only speaking to game balance.  going back to the bike analogy, if i was that slower rider, i dont’ know if i could have ridden faster over 500 miles than he did on the light bike, but i may have been able to win on the lighter bike.   :wink:

cheers

i don’t think your analogy helps explain your point. it would be easier to just to say what you mean.
but for some reason i feel compelled to correct your poor analogy.

using your bike analogy you would have to add to the fact that both riders have ridden both bikes at least 20 times before and know the strengths and weaknesses of both bikes.

both riders now feel that one bike is better than the other. so they decide a fair way to run the race is to have one bike get a head start. they decide that they will bid back and forth to see how much of a head start is needed to make the race fair. they go to an internet forum and spend 6 pages to get to the point were both riders think the race is fair.

now you can continue with your analogy if you like, but it would probably be easier to just way what you mean.