Building forces.

@Midnight_Reaper

NWO is the “New World Order” game on triplea. I just added them for house rules for global 40. So yea digital. Idk who did the artwork for them. Here’s Germany:

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I seem to remember one of the gaming sites offering them for the physical board but i couldn’t say for sure. I think maybe @vodot may have made one with a 3d printer but idk

Here is 9a of n for discussion of my Classic House Rules

Special Forces in Classic
Unit Name      IPC Cost ATK DEF MOVE Notes
Special Forces     8        3*   3*   2*   Cannot be transported with any other type of units. See below for rules and uses of this unit.

Special Forces - The truly elite, the best of the best, the Special Forces of a nation. Special Forces attack value increases to 4 when doing an Airborne Assault. Cannot be transported with any other type of units.

Optional Rules for the Optional Special Forces
Special Forces are unique units with many and varied powers. Special Forces have the following optional rules: Attack a Specified Unit (Sabotage Raid) and Attack an Industrial Complex (Industrial Raid). These rules are optional, potentially ruinous to balanced game-play, and great fun to pull off if you can. As such, the potential use of any of these rule sets should be negotitated in advance of the start of play. Here they are:

Decide on a Target
A Special Forces unit, for its turn, can be used to launch a raid, whether sabotage or industrial. The raid must take place in a territory not also under normal attack but may take place in a territory that is receiving a Strategic Bombing Raid. Once in position for the raid, the player selects the desired target. The target may be the territory’s Industrial Complex (an Industrial Raid) or any single unit in that territory or any enemy sea unit off of the coast of that territory (a Sabotage Raid).

Arrive to Target Territory
Special Forces units can use regular movement, an Amphibious Invasion (off of a Submarine or a Transport), or an Airborne Assault to get into position for the raid.

Attack a Specified Unit (Sabotage Raid):
Once in postion, a die is rolled for each SF in the raid. On a roll of 1-3 the raid is successful, the targeted unit is destroyed, and the Special Forces make their escape. On a roll of 4-5 the raid is unsuccessful but the SF unit escapes. On a roll of a 6 the SF unit is discovered before the raid and is killed without completing its mission.

Attack an Industrial Complex (Industrial Raid)
Once in postion, a die is rolled for each SF in the raid. On a roll of a 1 the SF is discovered before the raid and is killed without affecting its target. On a roll of 2-3 the raid is unsuccessful but the SF escapes. On a roll of a 4-6 the raid is successful. The targetted power loses IPCs based on the result of the roll: 4 for 4 IPC damage, 5 for 6 IPC damage, or 6 for 8 IPC damage).

Surviving the Raid
In the event Special Forces perform a raid and survive (with either a successful raid or an unsuccessful raid but a successful escape), remove the SF from the game board and return it to the owning power. The SF return to the game board during the placement phase of the owning power’s next turn.

Examples
Sabotage Raid Example: UK player attacks a German Bomber in Western Europe with a Special Forces in a sabotage raid, rolling a 2. The raid is successful. Germany loses the Bomber and the SF return to the UK player. The SF return to the game board at the end of the UK player’s next turn, not at the end of the UK player’s current turn. (The SF that conducted the attack will have to sit out 1 turn, in order to finish returning from the raid.)

Industrial Raid Example: German player attacks the UK Industrial Complex in the UK with Special Forces in a industrial raid, rolling a 5. The UK loses 6 IPCs and the SF return to the German player. The SF return to the game board at the end of the German player’s next turn, not at the end of the German player’s current turn. (The SF that conducted the attack will have to sit out 1 turn, in order to finish returning from the raid.)

Unsuccessful Raid Example: US player attacks a Japanese Battleship off of Wake Island with Special Forces in a sabotage raid, rolling a 5. The raid is unsuccessful. Japan keeps the Battleship and the SF return to the US player. The SF return to the game board at the end of the US player’s next turn, not at the end of the US player’s current turn. (The SF that conducted the raid will have to sit out 1 turn, in order to finish returning from the raid.)

Fatally Unsuccessful Raid Example: Japanese player attacks the US Industrial Complex in the Western US with Special Forces in a industrial raid, rolling a 1. The US loses 0 IPCs and Japan loses that SF. Japan can replace that SF on its next turn.

There are thoughts on more ways of turning commandos loose on my enemies, on “set[ting] Europe ablaze” as Winston Churchill allegedly ordered the Special Operations Executive.

-Midnight_Reaper

@SS:

Nice ideas for all suggestions posted but way to many things involved here for most people. It’s your game so no knock against it. You want to get away from KISS that’s fine too. I would not use somethings and make it all more simplified. Why not just try the reduced costs and a tech tree for starters?

I had a lot of ideas, and went to write them all down. These posts are the end product of all that. I have tried the combination of the reduced costs and the tech tree myself. But it was playing against myself, solo. So I don’t know how well it would work against a good face-to-face opponent. I liked them, but that’s not saying much.

I do group them into rules I always want to play, and rules I only sometimes want to play. I would list these as follows:

Always
Cruisers; Paratroopers & Cargo Planes; Armored Cav., Troopers, Heavy Art’y; New Unit Surcharge; Revised Strategic Bombing Raid rules; & Unit Price Reduction (I’ve tested the reduction in costs against myself but not the balance of a larger Axis setup). These rules, minus the Strat. Bomb rules, are the core of my original ideas. And these rules amount to 6 new units, a fee that almost never comes up, cheaper units (I have player’s aids with the correct pricing information so that comes easy), and remembering to add a 2 to every die thrown for a result in Strat. Bombing. I don’t think they’re all that much.

I then got some other ideas and wanted to see where they went. Thus, the sometimes or optional rules

Optional
New Research Rules; New Research Tech Tree; New National Advantages; and SF and all of their rules. These rules sound like something I’d really like to try out, but I’d need a good gaming group first. Chickens, eggs, and all that. These rules really re-write some rules for A&A - which can be a good thing if you’ve an established group that is looking to shake things up. I won’t say that tossing a new player into all of these rules would be a good idea. But as they’re options, and listed as such, your group can take what you like and leave the rest behind. As you do.

Once I’m happy with these rules, I would like to eventually write up versions for A&A 1942 and A&A 1940. But first, I want to get them in their best shape for this game before expanding the beachhead.

I hope that clears things up for you, SS.

-Midnight_Reaper

If we’re going to continue talking about modern special forces, also list Space Marines, and look up Operation Hot Eagle

Legit.

Well, you could ask what the point is for any house rules.  In this case it is added realism, if you refer to my initial post.

@oldsalty:

OK.  Cost of the IC is not an issue.  Understand when IC costs vary between $5 - $15.    Does that also mean than if the factory is in China or Middle East, for example, in a Country with 3 IPC where they can produce 4 x 3 = $12 of units that they could build 1 ftr and 1 tank?

They may have the resources and technology, but I agrue they would not have the skilled labor to do this (then).  I am not aware that either the Allies or Axis built planes or tanks, etc in 3rd world countries.

yes $12 worth of units
but no can’t build 1 ftr ($10) + 1 tank ($5) because thats $15

“4 x IPC  income” is meant to be a simple rule to control both

*what you can build (eg. UK can’t build Carrier at India)
*how much IPC you can build

Or am I getting too anal here and sacrificing game play for realism?  Just looking for a clarification of the intent of the game, not trying to change any rules.

no we love your feedback
we just have to work it out

AARHE wants realism and gameplay
specific listings were avoided if possible

simple number based rules are good structure wise
you set a model and stick to it

unfortunately this requires numbers on the map to be realistic to start with
so some things don’t work out prefectly on some territories of the OOB map

but we are bound to overlook things, over time we discover alternative simple rules that leads to even greater realism

Yes. The main problem is that in reality infantry is raising from population (territories). Not manufactured at factories (IC).

Phase 2 can be downloaded here:
http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=7188.0

Phase 1 can be read here:
http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=6743.0

Yeah, on that note, I may have voted for Game Balance, because what’s the point of playing if the scales are already tilted one way? But that’s mostly in reference to playing Traditional. Our standing house rule is basically, “Never play the way WWII actually went down. Switch up allies whenever a nation gets eliminated.” If you do it that way, versatility usually comes about of its own accord. :wink: