Utopia

fascism is a system ideally suited to war. a small, peaceful community like the one described would be ill-suited to be at war for any length of time. the military from a group this small would be very small indeed. and i still dont think you know what fascism or communism are. they are opposing ideologies, so it is hard to believe you know what they are, and would have communism as your second choice. i think your just an idiot playing at politics, because you think facism and hitler are cool.

@Janus1:

fascism is a system ideally suited to war. a small, peaceful community like the one described would be ill-suited to be at war for any length of time. the military from a group this small would be very small indeed. and i still dont think you know what fascism or communism are. they are opposing ideologies, so it is hard to believe you know what they are, and would have communism as your second choice. i think your just an idiot playing at politics, because you think facism and hitler are cool.

First of all, i do know what fascism is, and i greatly believe in it… Fascism is also a gov. that relies mainly on a one-person/party gov and i think that is good for the situation mentioned! Now i cant exactly say what communism is, but i have a general idea! :-? I like soviet communism which is basically a dictatorship, but i greatly diasagree with actual communism! 8)

Utopia can only exist with perfect people in it. Put in a goober or two and it’s no longer Utopia. That said, with perfect people only working for the common good I would say a true Democracy would be Utopia.

Mutharussia,
Name one Fashist government in all the history of the world that did not crap all over it’s people and I will pretend you are not just being silly. In order for a government to be Utopia, one would assume that you meant the people in it where not being pooped all over after all.
“Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.” - Lord Acton

Soviet Communism is not communism. and to say that you like it, but not actual communism is one of the stupidest things you have said yet

Dsrt Fox I would add some Defnsive bunker and some Nuclear Shelters! :lol: If I had a perfact Military everyone would play a part (wether supply or frontline)… Then my wars would be over quicker…

GG

fascism does work if you want to have a stable society. look at hitler, he turned germany around in a few years, his stupid idea that he could beat the usa britian and russia ruined him though.

@marine36:

fascism does work if you want to have a stable society. look at hitler, he turned germany around in a few years, his stupid idea that he could beat the usa britian and russia ruined him though.

Exactly! 8)

I believe a very militaristic gov. if it uses the right military start, could become a utopia… Look at hitler, he almost took over all of europoe, creating HIS view of a utopia, i guess utopias are in the eyes of the creators…Therefore no one is really wrong here, its all a matter of opinion! :-? :P

@Desertfox:

A utopia is a peaceful place. Also, everything has to beneficial for everyone in this project.

Thats in YOUR eyes! :)
Maybe in MY utopia it would be an expanionistic government! :)

but Fascism does not give freedom to it’s citizens (and neither does Communism)… It sets up a Government controlled economy which will turn in on itself and it can be too easily influenced by Dictators… Although Democracy is just as bad…

GG

@MuthaRussia:

@marine36:

fascism does work if you want to have a stable society. look at hitler, he turned germany around in a few years, his stupid idea that he could beat the usa britian and russia ruined him though.

Exactly! 8)

I believe a very militaristic gov. if it uses the right military start, could become a utopia… Look at hitler, he almost took over all of europoe, creating HIS view of a utopia, i guess utopias are in the eyes of the creators…Therefore no one is really wrong here, its all a matter of opinion! :-? :P

i think for intelligent purposes, Utopia is in the eye of the citizens. A rular who murders many millions of people for his own hubris has not generated a utopia for his citizens.

@Desertfox:

@Janus1:

fascism is a system ideally suited to war. a small, peaceful community like the one described would be ill-suited to be at war for any length of time. the military from a group this small would be very small indeed. and i still dont think you know what fascism or communism are. they are opposing ideologies, so it is hard to believe you know what they are, and would have communism as your second choice. i think your just an idiot playing at politics, because you think facism and hitler are cool.

Athletic programs would be essentially war games, and I would have a large wall surrounding the community with AA and 18 inch guns. However, the military will be swiss-like, meant purely for defense. (If it didn’t have to be a Utopia, I would have a completely mercenary community with a home meant for just breeding and raising young soldiers.)

of course one would have to blackmail other nations for tribute in order to generate an economy . . . .

@cystic:

@MuthaRussia:

@marine36:

fascism does work if you want to have a stable society. look at hitler, he turned germany around in a few years, his stupid idea that he could beat the usa britian and russia ruined him though.

Exactly! 8)

I believe a very militaristic gov. if it uses the right military start, could become a utopia… Look at hitler, he almost took over all of europoe, creating HIS view of a utopia, i guess utopias are in the eyes of the creators…Therefore no one is really wrong here, its all a matter of opinion! :-? :P

i think for intelligent purposes, Utopia is in the eye of the citizens. A rular who murders many millions of people for his own hubris has not generated a utopia for his citizens.

Yeah, your right, but who says all fascist leaders murder all there citizens? :-?
Mussolini didnt, he was actaully quite nice to the italians, he just got numerous soldiers killed, because italians are lovers, not fighters!

Amore! :lol:

@cystic:

The thing is that any of these could be considered a “utopia” but for the “human factor”.
@Lizardbaby:

Utopia can only exist with perfect people in it. Put in a goober or two and it’s no longer Utopia.

@Desertfox:

You need a government because people will be people. A utopia doesn’t come with perfect people.

I agree with Lizardbaby here.
It is an Utopia. It is perfect, that’s why it is utopian.
That is also the reason why you don’t need a government. Every citizen is fully aware of what the society needs at any moment and acts according to needs of the society (that’s if you want that to be like that). There is no “human factor” … nor any other link to reality :), unless you wish it to be there.

@cystic:

… Maybe that collective thing-y that peasant in The Holy Grail was talking about . . . .

@Lizardbaby:

That said, with perfect people only working for the common good I would say a true Democracy would be Utopia.

@stukapilot:

That’s why I said that anarchy would be the closest thing. No government. No rules. No wrongdoing.

Well, most of the utopian views like Marxism, “true capitalism”, anarchy, utopic socialism are “true Democracy” and anarchy, both at the same time. Look at “tru capitalism”, there you need no laws, no government, as the forces of the market will make everything work fine.

stuka: anarchy is self-defeating. it is not a government type, or even society type, merely a temporary classification in times of transition. nature abhorrs a vacuum. whenever there is a power void, it will be filled. anarchy cannot last. it is the most (by a factor of 10x10^infinity) unstable system.

Janus, i have to say: you are wrong here. As i mentioned, Anarchism had quite some followers in the 19th century. It was not seen as the “chaos” that the conservatives tried to link with it, but as the absence of oppression, as total freedom. So, you might check your views and maybe read a book about it, see for example http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/1931/biblio.html
And this “the nature abhorrs a vacuum” …. well, that has been proven wrong science more than hundred years ago.
and last: 10*10^infinity = 10^(infinity+1) = 10^(infinity) = infinity …

@Desertfox:

If I did my utopia the way I wanted I would get an F on the Project.

Depends on your techers. A good teacher will accept an opposing view if you argue well to defend it at least against the first two “waves” of objections.

Exactly, our teacers like that, thats why i always fail that class! :-? :(
Thanks for explaining that to me! :lol:

From what I’ve read here you should look up some info on Sparta and base your project on them. The only problem would be the issues with the lower classes. But hey I’m sure you could figure it out.

@Desertfox:

@MuthaRussia:

Yeah, your right, but who says all fascist leaders murder all there citizens? :-?
Mussolini didnt, he was actaully quite nice to the italians, he just got numerous soldiers killed, because italians are lovers, not fighters!

Amore! :lol:

He killed them. He sent to war in metal coffins. (I am refering to the Italian tanks.) Anyone who sends his people to fight a war for which they are not prepared for is a murderer of his citizens.

But hey he got rid of the Criminals… :roll: Wether that matters or not…