Toan6ca (Allies + 10) vs MiamiUMike - G40.2

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 5

Combat Move - French

Non Combat Move - French
            1 cruiser moved from 103 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 71 Sea Zone to 83 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - French

Hi there, I’m considering amphibious assaulting Denmark with Russia from SZ112.  TripleA won’t let me do it unless I also move my destroyer to SZ112, I guess so that I can kill the sub before unloading.  Is this correct?  My understanding is that I can ignore subs (if there are no enemy “surface warships” in the same seazone) as the attacker.  Specifically, I’m reading from the rulebook under transports: “A transport can’t load or offload while in a hostile sea zone.  Remember that hostile sea zones contain enemy units, but that for purposes of determining status of a sea zone, submarines and transports are ignored”.

I’m a bit confused. Is the above quote invalid during amphibious assaults, or where you could scramble planes like in this case?  If so where does it say this in the rules?  I can’t find it.  Just trying to figure out whether this is a bug in TripleA in which case we should override it, or whether this is correct.  Let me know if you know where the rule is on this; I’ll then decide what I’m going to do (not necessarily saying I’ll do the amph assault if I can, just want to know whether it’s an option without the destroyer).

Thanks.

TripleA also lets me do it if I move my sub there.  It seems to make me have to kill your sub before I can unload.  Or put another way, TripleA seems to think that your sub can’t be ignored.

OK never mind.  Just did more reading and found the following: “However, a transport is not allowed to offload land units for an amphibious assault in a sea zone containing 1 or more ignored enemy submarines unless at least 1 warship belonging to the attacking power is also present in the sea zone at the end of the Combat Move phase”

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 6

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 1 airfield, 4 artilleries and 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Russians
            1 destroyer moved from 127 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 110 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Novgorod to 127 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 127 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 112 Sea Zone to Denmark
            1 fighter moved from Novgorod to 125 Sea Zone
            2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Novgorod to 112 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Ukraine to Bessarabia
            1 mech_infantry moved from Bryansk to Bessarabia
            1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Western Ukraine
            1 artillery moved from Bryansk to Western Ukraine
            1 fighter moved from Novgorod to Bessarabia
            1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Western Ukraine
            1 fighter moved from Novgorod to 112 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 115 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone

Scramble to SZ112?  I’m ignoring your sub.

It’s definitely been an unorthodox game, that’s for sure - you’ve really kept me on my toes with your strategy.  It will be interesting to do a post-game analysis on where the turning points were.

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 6

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 1 airfield, 4 artilleries and 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Russians
            1 destroyer moved from 127 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 110 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Novgorod to 127 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 127 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 112 Sea Zone to Denmark
            1 fighter moved from Novgorod to 125 Sea Zone
            2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Novgorod to 112 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Ukraine to Bessarabia
            1 mech_infantry moved from Bryansk to Bessarabia
            1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Western Ukraine
            1 artillery moved from Bryansk to Western Ukraine
            1 fighter moved from Novgorod to Bessarabia
            1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Western Ukraine
            1 fighter moved from Novgorod to 112 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 115 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone

Combat - Russians
            Battle in Denmark
            Battle in 125 Sea Zone
                Russians attack with 1 destroyer and 1 fighter
                Germans defend with 1 submarine
                    Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 125 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 fighter in 125 Sea Zone, round 2 :  2/2 hits
                    1 submarine owned by the Germans and 1 destroyer owned by the Russians lost in 125 Sea Zone
                Russians win, taking Denmark from Germans with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is -2
                Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine
                Casualties for Russians: 1 destroyer
            Battle in Western Ukraine
                Russians attack with 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                Germans defend with 2 infantry
                    Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Western Ukraine, round 2 :  0/3 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Western Ukraine, round 2 :  1/2 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Western Ukraine
                    Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Western Ukraine, round 3 :  1/2 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Western Ukraine, round 3 :  0/2 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Western Ukraine
                    Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Western Ukraine, round 4 :  1/2 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Western Ukraine, round 4 :  0/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Western Ukraine
                Russians win, taking Western Ukraine from Germans with 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Battle in Bessarabia
                Russians attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 mech_infantry
                Germans defend with 2 infantry
                    Russians roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 mech_infantry in Bessarabia, round 2 :  1/3 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Bessarabia, round 2 :  1/2 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 mech_infantry owned by the Russians lost in Bessarabia
                    Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 fighter in Bessarabia, round 3 :  1/2 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Bessarabia, round 3 :  0/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Bessarabia
                Russians win, taking Bessarabia from Germans with 1 artillery and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
                Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 1 mech_infantry

Non Combat Move - Russians
            1 fighter moved from 125 Sea Zone to Norway
            2 fighters moved from 112 Sea Zone to Norway
            1 fighter moved from 112 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 112 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            4 infantry moved from Manchuria to Amur
            2 aaGuns and 5 infantry moved from Korea to Amur
            6 infantry moved from Tsinghai to Kazakhstan
            1 fighter moved from Bessarabia to Bryansk
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Karelia to Novgorod
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Norway to Karelia
            1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Smolensk to Bryansk
            1 armour and 5 mech_infantrys moved from Russia to Bryansk
            1 mech_infantry moved from Rostov to Bryansk
            1 infantry moved from Caucasus to Volgograd
            1 artillery moved from Rostov to Volgograd
            1 infantry moved from Novgorod to 127 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 127 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 112 Sea Zone to Norway

Place Units - Russians
            3 artilleries placed in Novgorod
            1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Ukraine
            2 infantry placed in Volgograd
            1 airfield placed in Norway

Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 45 PUs; end with 45 PUs total
            Trigger Russians 1 Lend Lease: Russians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 50 PUs
            Objective Russians 2 Spread Of Communism: Russians met a national objective for an additional 9 PUs; end with 59 PUs

It didn’t let me choose which US carrier to land on.  To be clear, both Russian planes are on the same US carrier.

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 6

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 1 bomber, 2 destroyers, 1 fighter and 6 submarines; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
            1 carrier moved from 110 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 110 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            3 fighters moved from 91 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 4 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys moved from Gibraltar to 91 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 4 infantry, 3 mech_infantrys and 4 transports moved from 91 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 4 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys moved from 110 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 carrier moved from 91 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 91 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 91 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 91 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from Eastern United States to 92 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Eastern United States to 92 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 91 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 42 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone

Combat - Americans
            Battle in 44 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 fighter
                Japanese defend with 1 transport
                    1 transport owned by the Japanese lost in 44 Sea Zone
                Americans win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 transport
            Battle in Normandy Bordeaux
                Americans attack with 1 artillery, 4 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys
                Germans defend with 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                    Americans roll dice for 1 artillery, 4 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 :  2/8 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Normandy Bordeaux
                Americans win, taking Normandy Bordeaux from Germans with 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry
            Battle in 92 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 bomber, 3 carriers, 2 destroyers, 6 fighters and 1 submarine
                Germans defend with 1 destroyer and 3 submarines
                    Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 92 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 3 submarines in 92 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/3 hits
                Units damaged: 1 carrier owned by the Americans
                    Americans roll dice for 1 bomber, 3 carriers, 2 destroyers and 6 fighters in 92 Sea Zone, round 2 :  5/9 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 92 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                Units damaged: 1 carrier owned by the Americans
                    1 destroyer owned by the Germans and 3 submarines owned by the Germans lost in 92 Sea Zone
                Americans win with 1 bomber, 3 carriers, 2 destroyers, 6 fighters and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 26
                Casualties for Germans: 1 destroyer and 3 submarines

Non Combat Move - Americans
            1 destroyer moved from 110 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 91 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from 92 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            1 carrier and 1 fighter moved from 91 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            3 fighters moved from 92 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            2 bombers moved from Caroline Islands to Queensland
            1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Java to 42 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 battleship, 3 carriers, 3 cruisers, 2 destroyers, 3 fighters, 2 infantry, 1 submarine, 1 tactical_bomber and 2 transports moved from 42 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from 54 Sea Zone to Queensland
            1 fighter moved from 44 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 42 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            3 submarines moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 10 Sea Zone to 29 Sea Zone

Place Units - Americans
            2 destroyers and 6 submarines placed in 10 Sea Zone
            1 bomber and 1 fighter placed in Western United States

Turn Complete - Americans
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 1 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,3
            Americans collect 54 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 54 PUs total
            Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 59 PUs
            Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 64 PUs
            Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 74 PUs

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 6

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
            Chinese buy 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese
            1 infantry moved from Tsinghai to Kansu
                  Chinese take Kansu from Japanese

Combat - Chinese

Non Combat Move - Chinese

Place Units - Chinese
            1 infantry placed in Tsinghai

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 2 PUs; end with 3 PUs total

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 6

Combat Move - British
            1 submarine moved from 110 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 110 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to 112 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Brazil to 86 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 86 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco
            2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to 112 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to 112 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to 112 Sea Zone

I’m attacking your sub in SZ112.  I’m assuming no scramble?

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 6

Purchase Units - British
            British buy 2 destroyers and 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs;

Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific buy 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            1 submarine moved from 110 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 110 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to 112 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Brazil to 86 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 86 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco
            2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to 112 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to 112 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to 112 Sea Zone

Combat - British
            Battle in Morocco
            Battle in 112 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 bomber, 1 destroyer, 5 fighters and 1 submarine; Russians loiter and taunt with ; Americans loiter and taunt with
                Germans defend with 1 submarine
                    British roll dice for 1 submarine in 112 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 112 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 5 fighters in 112 Sea Zone, round 2 :  6/7 hits
                    1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in 112 Sea Zone
                British win, taking Morocco from Italians with 1 bomber, 1 destroyer, 5 fighters and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine

Non Combat Move - British
            1 armour, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from French West Africa to 83 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 2 transports moved from 83 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco
            1 infantry moved from Gibraltar to 92 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from 112 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux
            2 fighters moved from 112 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
            1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from 42 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Java to India
            5 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
            5 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux
            6 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
            1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 submarine moved from 110 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 2 destroyers moved from 83 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            3 fighters moved from 112 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Central United States to Western United States
            1 destroyer moved from 110 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            5 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Gibraltar to Normandy Bordeaux

Place Units - British
            2 destroyers placed in 110 Sea Zone
            3 infantry placed in United Kingdom

Turn Complete - British
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 0
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 1 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,6
            British collect 21 PUs; end with 23 PUs total

Place Units - UK_Pacific
            1 infantry placed in India

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific collect 6 PUs; end with 6 PUs total
            Some Units in India change ownership: 1 infantry