13L G40 Hobo (Allies+9) vs Amon-Sul (Axis) 2nd game

Can U please from now on post the American and Chinese turn also ?

Thank U :)

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 1 fighter; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Libya to Tunisia
            1 infantry moved from Tobruk to Alexandria
                  Italians take Alexandria from British
            2 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 95 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser, 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 95 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 98 Sea Zone to Trans-Jordan
            1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Albania to 97 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 97 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 98 Sea Zone to Syria
            1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to Tunisia
            1 armour, 2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern France
            2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to Southern France
            1 infantry moved from Italian Somaliland to Kenya
                  Italians take Kenya from British
            1 infantry moved from Ethiopia to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
                  Italians take Anglo Egyptian Sudan from British

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 1 fighter; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Libya to Tunisia
            1 infantry moved from Tobruk to Alexandria
                  Italians take Alexandria from British
            2 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 95 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser, 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 95 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 98 Sea Zone to Trans-Jordan
            1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Albania to 97 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 97 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 98 Sea Zone to Syria
            1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to Tunisia
            1 armour, 2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern France
            2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to Southern France
            1 infantry moved from Italian Somaliland to Kenya
                  Italians take Kenya from British
            1 infantry moved from Ethiopia to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
                  Italians take Anglo Egyptian Sudan from British

Combat - Italians
            Battle in Syria
                Italians attack with 1 armour and 1 infantry
                French defend with 1 infantry
                Italians win, taking Syria from French with 1 armour remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for French: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
            Battle in Tunisia
                Italians attack with 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 1 infantry
                French defend with 1 infantry
                Italians win, taking Tunisia from French with 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for French: 1 infantry
            Battle in Southern France
                Italians attack with 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 2 fighters and 2 infantry
                French defend with 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                Italians win, taking Southern France from French with 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
                Casualties for French: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 2 infantry
            Battle in Trans-Jordan

Non Combat Move - Italians
            2 fighters moved from Southern France to Southern Italy
            2 aaGuns and 3 infantry moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy
            2 aaGuns moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
            1 bomber moved from Tunisia to Tobruk
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Ethiopia to Anglo Egyptian Sudan

Place Units - Italians
            1 fighter placed in Southern Italy

Turn Complete - Italians
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 4
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 93 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,1,2,3,3,3,2,1,4
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 72 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3
            Italians collect 14 PUs (4 lost to blockades); end with 14 PUs total

Territory Summary for Italians :

Trans-Jordan : 1 flag, 2 infantry
    Alexandria : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Kenya : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Anglo Egyptian Sudan : 1 flag, 1 artillery and 2 infantry
    Southern France : 1 flag, 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour
    Syria : 1 flag, 1 armour
    Tunisia : 1 flag, 1 artillery and 1 infantry
    Tobruk : 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
    Albania : 2 infantry
    Northern Italy : 2 aaGuns, 1 factory_major and 3 infantry
    Southern Italy : 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor, 3 fighters and 1 harbour
    95 Sea Zone : 1 destroyer and 1 submarine
    Yugoslavia : 2 aaGuns
    98 Sea Zone : 1 battleship, 2 cruisers and 2 transports

A very good move of Urs with UK i must say.

I forgot one ncm

please use this map

hobo-sada.tsvg

@hobo:

well you can only get 3 territories without activating the mongols, so it’s really a toss up whether to attack or not.  some people prefer not to but I’ve seen plenty who do since you can take more ipcs away from russia.

Yes, it is interesting :)

Next time i ll watch out. Personally i am not a big fan of attacking Russia first but if it can not hurt, why not then :)

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 2

Politics - Germans
            Germans takes Political Action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Germans and Neutral_True from Strict_Neutral to War
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Italians and Neutral_True from Strict_Neutral to War
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Japanese and Neutral_True from Strict_Neutral to War
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and British from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and UK_Pacific from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and ANZAC from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and Dutch from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and Chinese from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and French from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and Neutral_Allies from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Germans and Mongolians from Strict_Neutral to War
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Italians and Mongolians from Strict_Neutral to War
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Japanese and Mongolians from Strict_Neutral to War

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 3 submarines, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            1 armour and 1 artillery moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Spain
            5 armour moved from France to Spain
            5 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Greece
            3 armour moved from Yugoslavia to Greece
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Italy to Spain
            7 infantry moved from Finland to Sweden
            1 infantry moved from Norway to Sweden
            1 cruiser and 2 submarines moved from 112 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to Sweden
            1 fighter moved from Holland Belgium to Sweden
            1 bomber moved from Holland Belgium to Spain
            1 submarine moved from 106 Sea Zone to 108 Sea Zone

Awaiting scramble orders

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 2

Politics - Germans
            Germans takes Political Action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Germans and Neutral_True from Strict_Neutral to War
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Italians and Neutral_True from Strict_Neutral to War
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Japanese and Neutral_True from Strict_Neutral to War
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and British from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and UK_Pacific from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and ANZAC from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and Dutch from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and Chinese from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and French from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and Neutral_Allies from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Germans and Mongolians from Strict_Neutral to War
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Italians and Mongolians from Strict_Neutral to War
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Japanese and Mongolians from Strict_Neutral to War

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 3 submarines, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            1 armour and 1 artillery moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Spain
            5 armour moved from France to Spain
            5 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Greece
            3 armour moved from Yugoslavia to Greece
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Italy to Spain
            7 infantry moved from Finland to Sweden
            1 infantry moved from Norway to Sweden
            1 cruiser and 2 submarines moved from 112 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to Sweden
            1 fighter moved from Holland Belgium to Sweden
            1 bomber moved from Holland Belgium to Spain
            1 submarine moved from 106 Sea Zone to 108 Sea Zone

Combat - Germans
            British scrambles 1 units out of United Kingdom to defend against the attack in 110 Sea Zone
            Battle in 110 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 cruiser and 2 submarines
                British defend with 1 destroyer and 1 fighter
                Germans win with 1 cruiser and 2 submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 18
                Casualties for British: 1 destroyer and 1 fighter
            Battle in Greece
                Germans attack with 3 armour and 5 infantry
                Neutral_Allies defend with 4 infantry
                Germans win, taking Greece from Neutral_Allies with 3 armour and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 4 infantry
                Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
            Battle in Spain
                Germans attack with 6 armour, 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
                Neutral_True defend with 6 infantry
                Germans win, taking Spain from Neutral_True with 6 armour, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 14
                Casualties for Germans: 1 artillery
                Casualties for Neutral_True: 6 infantry
            Battle in Sweden
                Germans attack with 1 fighter, 8 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Neutral_True defend with 6 infantry
                Germans win, taking Sweden from Neutral_True with 1 fighter, 7 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 15
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Neutral_True: 6 infantry

Non Combat Move - Germans
            2 artilleries moved from Yugoslavia to Slovakia Hungary
            7 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Bulgaria
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Spain to Holland Belgium
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Sweden to Holland Belgium
            1 fighter moved from Sweden to Western Germany
            1 bomber moved from Spain to Southern Italy
            1 infantry moved from Norway to 112 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Western Germany to 112 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 112 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux
            2 artilleries moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux
            2 aaGuns moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux

Place Units - Germans
            2 submarines and 1 transport placed in 110 Sea Zone
            1 submarine placed in 112 Sea Zone
            2 bombers, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber placed in Western Germany

Turn Complete - Germans
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 93 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,2,3,1,4,2,6
            Germans collect 46 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 46 PUs total
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 51 PUs
            Objective Germans 1 Trade with Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 56 PUs

Territory Summary for Germans :

Normandy Bordeaux : 1 flag, 2 aaGuns, 2 artilleries, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
    France : 1 flag, 1 airfield and 1 factory_minor
    Slovakia Hungary : 3 aaGuns, 5 artilleries and 14 infantry
    Western Germany : 1 airfield, 2 bombers, 1 factory_major, 2 fighters, 1 harbour and 1 tactical_bomber
    Germany : 1 factory_major
    Holland Belgium : 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers
    Southern Italy : 1 bomber
    112 Sea Zone : 1 submarine
    108 Sea Zone : 1 submarine
    106 Sea Zone : 1 flag
    Bulgaria : 1 flag, 7 infantry
    Greece : 1 flag, 3 armour and 3 infantry
    Sweden : 1 flag, 7 infantry
    Yugoslavia : 1 flag
    Spain : 1 flag, 6 armour
    Finland : 1 flag
    110 Sea Zone : 1 cruiser, 4 submarines and 2 transports

Fortress Europe reinstalled :)

Awaiting the Soviet manace  :-)

That attack on Amur cost me.  :lol:

Ok let s what can the Japs do  :wink:

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 2

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 3 armour, 6 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Japanese
            2 infantry moved from Siberia to Amur
            1 armour moved from Soviet Far East to Amur
            3 infantry moved from Manchuria to Amur
            1 infantry moved from Korea to Amur
            1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            2 transports moved from 5 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Iwo Jima to 17 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 17 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Okinawa to 19 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 19 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries, 8 infantry and 5 transports moved from 6 Sea Zone to 5 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries and 8 infantry moved from 5 Sea Zone to Amur
            1 infantry moved from Jehol to Buyant-Uhaa
                  Japanese take Buyant-Uhaa from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Chahar to Central Mongolia
                  Japanese take Central Mongolia from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Chahar to Suiyuyan
                  Japanese take Suiyuyan from Chinese
            1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hopei
                  Japanese take Hopei from Chinese
            1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Kweichow
                  Japanese take Kweichow from Chinese
            2 bombers, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            3 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Kiangsi to Yunnan
            1 fighter moved from Jehol to Amur
            6 fighters and 5 tactical_bombers moved from Jehol to Yunnan
            2 battleships and 2 cruisers moved from 18 Sea Zone to 5 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from Jehol to Amur
            2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hunan

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 2

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 3 armour, 6 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Japanese
            2 infantry moved from Siberia to Amur
            1 armour moved from Soviet Far East to Amur
            3 infantry moved from Manchuria to Amur
            1 infantry moved from Korea to Amur
            1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            2 transports moved from 5 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Iwo Jima to 17 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 17 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Okinawa to 19 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 19 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries, 8 infantry and 5 transports moved from 6 Sea Zone to 5 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries and 8 infantry moved from 5 Sea Zone to Amur
            1 infantry moved from Jehol to Buyant-Uhaa
                  Japanese take Buyant-Uhaa from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Chahar to Central Mongolia
                  Japanese take Central Mongolia from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Chahar to Suiyuyan
                  Japanese take Suiyuyan from Chinese
            1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hopei
                  Japanese take Hopei from Chinese
            1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Kweichow
                  Japanese take Kweichow from Chinese
            2 bombers, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            3 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Kiangsi to Yunnan
            1 fighter moved from Jehol to Amur
            6 fighters and 5 tactical_bombers moved from Jehol to Yunnan
            2 battleships and 2 cruisers moved from 18 Sea Zone to 5 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from Jehol to Amur
            2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hunan

Combat - Japanese
            Battle in Hunan
                Japanese attack with 2 artilleries and 4 infantry
                Chinese defend with 2 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Hunan from Chinese with 2 artilleries and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Chinese: 2 infantry
            Battle in Yunnan
                Japanese attack with 2 bombers, 10 fighters and 8 tactical_bombers
                Chinese defend with 7 infantry
                Japanese win with 2 bombers, 7 fighters and 8 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is -9
                Casualties for Japanese: 3 fighters
                Casualties for Chinese: 7 infantry
            Battle in Amur
                Japanese attack with 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 14 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                Russians defend with 2 aaGuns and 15 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Amur from Russians with 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 13
                Casualties for Japanese: 14 infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 2 aaGuns and 15 infantry

Non Combat Move - Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Soviet Far East to Siberia
            1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 34 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun moved from Korea to Amur
            2 bombers, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to Jehol
            3 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Yunnan to Anhwe
            3 fighters and 5 tactical_bombers moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi
            1 artillery moved from Jehol to Chahar
            1 aaGun and 5 infantry moved from Jehol to Buyant-Uhaa
            1 fighter moved from Amur to Jehol

Place Units - Japanese
            3 armour and 6 infantry placed in Japan
            1 transport placed in 6 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Japanese
            Japanese collect 35 PUs; end with 35 PUs total
            Objective Japanese 1 Trade With America: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 45 PUs

Territory Summary for Japanese :

Caroline Islands : 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
    Paulau Island : 1 infantry
    Shantung : 1 flag
    Kwangsi : 1 flag, 3 fighters and 5 tactical_bombers
    Kiangsu : 1 flag
    Kiangsi : 1 flag
    Japan : 2 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 3 armour, 1 factory_major, 1 harbour and 6 infantry
    Jehol : 1 flag, 2 bombers, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber
    Siam : 2 infantry
    Manchuria : 1 flag
    Suiyuyan : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Kweichow : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Hunan : 1 flag, 2 artilleries and 3 infantry
    Hopei : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Chahar : 1 flag, 2 artilleries
    Anhwe : 1 flag, 3 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers
    Soviet Far East : 1 flag
    Amur : 1 flag, 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 1 mech_infantry
    Siberia : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    33 Sea Zone : 3 carriers, 4 destroyers and 2 submarines
    Central Mongolia : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    5 Sea Zone : 2 battleships, 2 cruisers and 5 transports
    6 Sea Zone : 1 transport
    Buyant-Uhaa : 1 flag, 1 aaGun and 6 infantry

I was debating about the attack on Amur and this Mongolian Soviet corpus is giving me a headache too  :lol: