13L G40.2 AllWeNeedIsLove vs Gamerman01 game 4

All that without losing a single unit better than a mech….

You must be a really good boy, Allweneedislove

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 4

Politics - Americans
            Trigger Americans War Production Western: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Americans in Western United States
            Trigger Americans War Production Central: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Americans in Central United States
            Trigger Americans War Production Eastern: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Americans in Eastern United States
            Trigger Americans War Production Western: Americans has 1 factory_major placed in Western United States
            Trigger Americans War Production Central: Americans has 1 factory_major placed in Central United States
            Trigger Americans War Production Eastern: Americans has 1 factory_major placed in Eastern United States

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 1 carrier, 4 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
            Trigger Americans Unrestricted Movement: Setting movementRestrictionTerritories cleared  for rulesAttatchment attached to Americans
            2 submarines moved from 26 Sea Zone to 16 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 26 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
            1 destroyer moved from 54 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 54 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 54 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 54 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone

Combat - Americans
            Battle in Caroline Islands
                Americans attack with 2 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 aaGun, 1 airfield and 1 harbour
                Americans win, taking Caroline Islands from Japanese with 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 aaGun
            Battle in 16 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 2 submarines
                Japanese defend with 1 destroyer
                Americans win with 2 submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer
            Battle in 45 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 destroyer and 1 fighter
                Japanese defend with 1 submarine
                Americans win with 1 destroyer and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 submarine
            Battle in 34 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 fighter and 1 submarine
                Japanese defend with 1 destroyer
                Americans win with 1 fighter and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer

Non Combat Move - Americans
            1 fighter moved from 34 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 45 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 61 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun, 1 carrier, 1 infantry, 1 submarine and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
            1 aaGun moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
            2 fighters moved from Eastern United States to 26 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 86 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 86 Sea Zone to Brazil
                  Americans take Brazil from Neutral_Allies
            1 armour moved from 54 Sea Zone to Queensland
            1 artillery moved from 54 Sea Zone to Queensland
            2 infantry moved from 54 Sea Zone to Queensland
            1 destroyer moved from 26 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 26 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 26 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from Central United States to Southeast Mexico
            2 infantry moved from Eastern United States to 101 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 102 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Eastern United States to Scotland
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 89 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from Southeast Mexico to 89 Sea Zone
            1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 89 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            1 mech_infantry moved from Southeast Mexico to Western United States
            1 cruiser, 2 destroyers and 2 submarines moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 102 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 102 Sea Zone to Scotland

Place Units - Americans
            1 carrier and 1 transport placed in 101 Sea Zone
            1 infantry placed in Eastern United States
            1 infantry placed in Western United States
            1 transport placed in 10 Sea Zone
            2 fighters placed in Eastern United States
            2 fighters placed in Western United States

Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 54 PUs; end with 55 PUs total
            Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 60 PUs
            Objective Americans 4 Philippines: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 65 PUs
            Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 70 PUs
            Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 80 PUs

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 4

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
            Chinese buy 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese
            1 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Hopei
                  Chinese take Hopei from Japanese
            2 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Shensi
            1 fighter moved from Suiyuyan to Shensi
            3 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Chahar

Combat - Chinese
            Battle in Shensi
                Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 artillery
                Chinese win, taking Shensi from Japanese with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery
            Battle in Chahar
                Chinese attack with 3 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 mech_infantry
                Chinese win, taking Chahar from Japanese with 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 mech_infantry

Non Combat Move - Chinese
            1 fighter moved from Shensi to Kansu

Place Units - Chinese
            3 infantry placed in Suiyuyan
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Chinese to Suiyuyan: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Chinese from Kansu: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 7 PUs; end with 8 PUs total

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 4

Purchase Units - British
            British buy 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            1 destroyer moved from 109 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Nenetsia to 126 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from Scotland to 125 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to 125 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 109 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from United Kingdom to 109 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 109 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 112 Sea Zone to Norway
            1 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 109 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Scotland to 109 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 109 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 112 Sea Zone to Norway
            1 bomber moved from Alexandria to 95 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Egypt to 81 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 81 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 96 Sea Zone to Malta
            1 battleship moved from 98 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone
            2 cruisers moved from 98 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone
            2 destroyers moved from 98 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 91 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone
                  British take 93 Sea Zone from Italians
            1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from West India to India
            1 infantry moved from Ethiopia to Italian Somaliland
                  British take Italian Somaliland from Italians
            1 armour moved from Alexandria to Tobruk
                  British take Tobruk from Italians
            1 armour moved from Tobruk to Alexandria

Scramble to 95?

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 4

Purchase Units - British
            British buy 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            1 destroyer moved from 109 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Nenetsia to 126 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from Scotland to 125 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to 125 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 109 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from United Kingdom to 109 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 109 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 112 Sea Zone to Norway
            1 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 109 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Scotland to 109 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 109 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 112 Sea Zone to Norway
            1 bomber moved from Alexandria to 95 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Egypt to 81 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 81 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 96 Sea Zone to Malta
            1 battleship moved from 98 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone
            2 cruisers moved from 98 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone
            2 destroyers moved from 98 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 91 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone
                  British take 93 Sea Zone from Italians
            1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from West India to India
            1 infantry moved from Ethiopia to Italian Somaliland
                  British take Italian Somaliland from Italians
            1 armour moved from Alexandria to Tobruk
                  British take Tobruk from Italians
            1 armour moved from Tobruk to Alexandria

Combat - British
            Battle in Malta
            Battle in Norway
                British attack with 2 artilleries and 2 infantry
                Germans defend with 1 infantry
                British win, taking Malta from Italians, taking Norway from Germans with 2 artilleries and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
            Battle in 126 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 fighter
                Germans defend with 1 transport
                British win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Germans: 1 transport
            Battle in 95 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers and 1 submarine
                Italians defend with 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 transport
                British win with 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 2 cruisers and 2 destroyers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 21
                Casualties for British: 1 submarine
                Casualties for Italians: 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 transport
            Battle in 125 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 destroyer and 4 fighters
                Germans defend with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer
                British win with 3 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 22
                Casualties for Germans: 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer
                Casualties for British: 1 destroyer and 1 fighter
            Battle in India
                British attack with 1 artillery and 3 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 airfield, 1 armour, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 mech_infantry
                British win, taking India from Japanese with 1 artillery and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - British
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Persia to Russia
            1 submarine moved from 92 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 91 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Eastern Persia to Kazakhstan
            1 infantry moved from Iraq to Northwest Persia
                  British take Northwest Persia from Neutral_Allies
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Iraq to Eastern Persia
            1 fighter moved from 126 Sea Zone to Nenetsia
            1 fighter moved from 125 Sea Zone to Nenetsia
            1 fighter moved from 125 Sea Zone to Nenetsia
            1 fighter moved from 125 Sea Zone to Scotland
            1 infantry moved from Scotland to United Kingdom
            1 infantry moved from Scotland to United Kingdom
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Alexandria to 98 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 98 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 80 Sea Zone to Eastern Persia
            1 infantry moved from Egypt to 81 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 81 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Ethiopia to 76 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 76 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 80 Sea Zone to Eastern Persia
            1 bomber moved from 95 Sea Zone to Trans-Jordan
            1 artillery moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan
            1 aaGun moved from West India to India
            2 aaGuns moved from West India to India

Place Units - British
            1 transport placed in 109 Sea Zone
            2 mech_infantrys placed in Union of South Africa
            1 bomber placed in Union of South Africa
            1 fighter placed in United Kingdom

Turn Complete - British
            British collect 36 PUs; end with 36 PUs total
            Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 41 PUs

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific collect 5 PUs; end with 5 PUs total

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 4

Purchase Units - ANZAC
            ANZAC buy 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - ANZAC
            1 destroyer moved from 54 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
            3 fighters moved from Persia to Russia
            2 infantry moved from Alexandria to Egypt
            1 infantry moved from Dutch New Guinea to New Guinea
            1 armour moved from New South Wales to Queensland
            2 infantry moved from New South Wales to South Australia

Non Combat Move - ANZAC
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Adding units owned by ANZAC to Queensland: 1 aaGun and 4 infantry
            EDIT: Removing units owned by ANZAC from South Australia: 1 aaGun and 4 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Place Units - ANZAC
            1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 infantry placed in New South Wales

Turn Complete - ANZAC
            ANZAC collect 10 PUs; end with 11 PUs total
            Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 16 PUs

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 4

Combat Move - French
            1 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Egypt
            1 infantry moved from United Kingdom to Scotland

I do that a lot……
No, I was done, sorry, especially if you were wanting to play today

Now don’t go and take over Moscow on me again…

Where in the heck is Z123?

Opening the map…

You mean 109…

Yes, I would like to lose 2 fighters and a tac in exchange for 3 or more bombers

Scramble all, and fire away

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 5

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 7 artilleries; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Russians
            1 armour moved from Russia to Belarus
                  Russians take Smolensk from Germans
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Nenetsia to Belarus
            1 fighter moved from Nenetsia to Belarus
            1 infantry moved from Russia to Tambov
            1 infantry moved from Russia to Tambov
            1 fighter moved from Russia to Tambov
            1 artillery moved from Russia to Tambov
            11 infantry moved from Buryatia to Sakha
            1 submarine moved from 92 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser and 1 submarine moved from 115 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone

Combat - Russians
            Battle in Belarus
                Russians attack with 1 armour, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
                Italians defend with 1 armour
                Russians win, taking Belarus from Italians with 1 armour, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Italians: 1 armour
            Battle in Tambov
                Russians attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                Germans defend with 2 infantry
                Russians win, taking Tambov from Germans with 1 artillery and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry
            Battle in Sakha
                Russians attack with 11 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                Russians win, taking Sakha from Japanese with 10 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Russians
            2 aaGuns moved from Buryatia to Sakha
            1 fighter moved from Belarus to Russia
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Belarus to Russia
            6 infantry moved from Novosibirsk to Samara
            1 fighter moved from Tambov to Russia

Place Units - Russians
            7 artilleries placed in Russia

Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 23 PUs; end with 23 PUs total

@Gamerman01:

@allweneedislove:

i took the bait.
would you like to scramble in sz21?

Yeah, that’s kind of a relief.  I was worried about all 14 ground units landing in Australia.
Gotta look.

Hey gamerman and allweneedislove, another match I am following (I am really a big fan of allweneeds J1/J2 abd (I would say successfully so far) copied them in a private game against a friend). Hope you don’t mind asking me some further questions.
T
o my understanding so far the pacific dynamic is imo the most complex and most difficult element in A&A at all.

My question is: I was a bit surprised you were relieved about Japan not dropping 14 ground to Australia. The problem I see with that move is:

• I do not see any chance to successfully take Sidney with these forces without reinformencements which would imo take very long to collect
• the fleet required to protect the transports is then somehow off the action
• Not killing the Guam fighters would imo bring Japan in trouble if US stacks at Caroline (The Carrier SZ would not have to wait for new air to be built)
• Not taking money islands/Malaya could leave Japan with imo too little income once the India boost is used

So strategically I am not sure whether it could be better just to keep Japan strong, hold the US off and throw everything to Europe.

But, I have to say that Europe situation is still unclear to me. So far almost no game I observed (10-20) was won by an Pacific VC for axis. Not sure whether this could be the only chance for Axis to win.

To be honest, while writing the posts I saw more and more benefits of dropping the ground, but I am still not sure whether the “classical” move could still be better?

So I probably just simply ask: Gamerman, you would have dropped the 14 ground to Australia J4?
Allweneedislove: What do you think? Did you miss an opportunity or did you leave it on purpose?

Thanks in advance and best regards,
Tobias

@JapanDOWRound1Fan:

So I probably just simply ask: Gamerman, you would have dropped the 14 ground to Australia J4?

Not necessarily  :-)
Allweneed and I often kid around about strategy, as part of our gamesmanship.  Like when Allweneed asked if I wanted to lose my planes in 109 (because he would have liked to have destroyed the transport without a fight)

However, I was in fact worried about him going to Australia, because if he could get to NSW, he would probably win, and I am doing better in Europe than in the past 2 games, so I absolutely did not want to lose this game in the Pacific on round 6 or 7 or whatever!

The worry I had was that I could not counter-attack, so then he could bring in his airforce to land in Australia the following turn, and I think he had a good chance to take the 6th victory city in just a few turns.
Maybe it was a low chance, but it did worry me.
I don’t remember clearly, but I think I left 4 fighters on Guam mainly because it would require several of the transports to go away from South Asia, the money islands, and Australia and would require a fair amount of force to prevent the scramble.  There is no naval base in Guam.  Also, if he ignores Guam, the fighters can get to Queensland in one turn, or could threaten fleet/transports in the area the next turn.

I do not regreat leaving the 4 fighters on Guam even in hindsight.  My philosophy with the Allies is that the Allies need to get involved and need to get the Axis powers to deviate from their main game plan.

So again, if I was actually playing Japan for that turn I would have invaded Australia with all 14 ground units only if I could calculate that I had a high chance of taking and holding NSW for a turn and winning the game.