Re Match 13L G40 - Mryogen (axis) vs Mallery29 (Allies +7)


  • TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

    Game History

    Round :16

    Purchase Units - Italians
                Italians buy 1 armour and 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

    Combat Move - Italians
                2 armour, 14 artilleries, 1 fighter and 23 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern France
                9 infantry moved from Caucasus to Rostov

    Combat - Italians
                Battle in Southern France
                    Italians attack with 2 armour, 14 artilleries, 1 fighter and 23 infantry
                    Americans defend with 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                        Italians roll dice for 2 armour, 14 artilleries, 1 fighter and 23 infantry in Southern France, round 1 :  12/40 hits
                        Americans roll dice for 1 infantry in Southern France, round 1 :  1/1 hits
                        1 infantry owned by the Americans and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Southern France
                    Italians win, taking Southern France from Americans with 2 armour, 14 artilleries, 1 fighter and 22 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                    Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
                    Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Italians
                1 fighter moved from Southern France to France
                1 aaGun moved from Northern Italy to Southern France

    Place Units - Italians
                1 armour and 2 infantry placed in Southern Italy

    Turn Complete - Italians
                Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 15
                    Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 93 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,4,4,1,2,5,6,5
                    Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,4,5,4,3,3,2,1,6,5,1,3,5,4
                Italians collect 4 PUs (15 lost to blockades); end with 4 PUs total
                Objective Italians 2 Roman Empire: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 9 PUs

    Territory Summary for Italians :

    Southern France : 1 flag, 1 aaGun, 2 armour, 14 artilleries, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 22 infantry
        France : 1 fighter
        Northern Italy : 1 factory_major
        Southern Italy : 3 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 28 infantry
        Rostov : 9 infantry
        Turkey : 1 flag
        Bulgaria : 1 flag
        Greece : 1 flag
        Yugoslavia : 1 flag

    Production/PUs Summary :

    Germans : 72 / 100
        Russians : 8 / 10
        Japanese : 57 / 49
        Americans : 65 / 98
        Chinese : 4 / 5
        British : 19 / 20
        UK_Pacific : 0 / 0
        Italians : 19 / 9
        ANZAC : 28 / 39
        French : 5 / 0
        Dutch : 0 / 0
        Mongolians : 0 / 0
        Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
        Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
        Neutral_True : 6 / 0


  • I am now offically accusing you of cheating, way too battles like this to be consider due to luck.

    Japanese roll dice for 6 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys in Kwangtung, round 1 :  1/9 hits

    Do I now have to un-spam my email’s and double check every roll?


  • That’s a strong accusation, but I will forward you the emails.  Because of this, I will also inform the Admin.


  • @mryogen:

    I am now offically accusing you of cheating, way too battles like this to be consider due to luck.

    Japanese roll dice for 6 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys in Kwangtung, round 1 :  1/9 hits

    Do I now have to un-spam my email’s and double check every roll?

    So let me get this straight . . .  you’re accusing someone of cheating without any proof whatsoever?  :roll:


  • Wait - so lets see here. You roll 1/9 on round 1 - should have 3/9. On Round 2, you rolled 2/3, instead of 1/3. In the end, you rolled 3/12 instead of average which is 4/12 and this is grounds to accuse someone of cheating???

    Get real, dude…

    MM


  • @Mallery29:

    VC exist in Asia.  Axis now have 1 full turn to resolve.

    I stand corrected on this.  I misspoke on the Allied Victory conditions, and for that, I apologize.  When I’m wrong, I say I’m wrong.  I need two of your capitals apparently.


  • My attack was also under the assumption of the VC, but it still is probably a legit attack for me to do.

    http://www.dskelly.com/misc/aa/aasim.html

    I had a 99.5% chance of winning with about average loss of 15IPCs.  Under the what I thought the conditions were, I was willing to sack a plane if it came to it…but I didn’t need to.  You rolled slightly below average on Round 1.  I rolled at average for Round 1.  This isn’t cheating, it’s math.  I’m ready to send the emails to you if you haven’t found them.  I’m sorry that you are upset, but this game is far from over.


  • @mryogen:

    Do I now have to un-spam my email’s and double check every roll?

    No, you should’ve done so BEFORE making an accusation like this. What works for me is setting up a folder for the dice rolls and then setting up an autorule so that all those dicey emails automatically goes to said folder. I used to create separate folders for each game and set the auto sort to send them to the right folder, but that got to be too much of a pain and I can find the right emails just by using the search function if I had any doubts about legitimacy. Otherwise a quick glance at the titles (ie battle and round) usually suffices. Marking them as spam negates the whole purpose of the dicey emails in the first place.


  • Ha, this is classic a cheater calling someone else a cheat.


  • 31126:Americans roll dice for 1 battleship and 2 cruisers in Kwangtung, round 1‏       
    Your dice are: 1,2,4
    5:17 AM
    (3 hits)

    31126:Americans roll dice for 2 artilleries, 4 fighters, 3 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Kwangtung, round 1
    Your dice are: 3,1,6,3,1,5,5,5,5,4,5
    5:17 AM
    (3 hits)

    31126:Japanese roll dice for 6 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys in Kwangtung, round 1‏
    Your dice are: 6,4,5,6,2,6,4,5,5
    5:18 AM
    (1 hit)

    31126:Americans roll dice for 2 artilleries, 4 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Kwangtung, round 2‏
    Your dice are: 1,1,6,2,1,4,2,2,1,1
    5:18 AM
    (8 hits)

    31126:Japanese roll dice for 3 mech_infantrys in Kwangtung, round 2‏
    Your dice are: 2,2,4
    5:18 AM
    (2 hits)

    I sent you the five emails as well.  The time posted is Japan time by the way.  Let me know if you would like to continue.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    Just sent Mallery my email address to forward the emails, so NO I don’t know the answer to this question yet.

    A)  What dicey are you using? 
    B)  Please explain to me how you think he could be altering the dicey results.

    Feel free to post any relevant information as well.


  • Jenn,
    Emails forwarded to you.

  • '12

    Mallery what do you think allied victory conditions are?


  • @Boldfresh:

    Mallery what do you think allied victory conditions are?

    I got so used to the Axis, I thought it was one thing, but as far as I understand, I need two Axis Capitals, which I admitted I was wrong a couple of posts up, but I wasn’t a dick about it.

    When I had planned my attack, I was under the previous thought.  Would I still do the attack knowing what I know now?  Probably, because I needed to be aggressive in the Pacific.  I think strategically, even if I would have had to sack a plane, it was the right thing….tell me if you think I was wrong in that move.

    My main issue is that a player that has had issues with others before and now with no basis saying I cheated is very insulting.  I forwarded the emails to Jenn, and I await her all clear.

    I don’t intend on quitting or giving in.  If I’m going to lose this, I’d rather it be lost the legit way vice caving in to antics.  I said I was sorry, but I won’t have this BS stain out there which is completely false.

  • '12

    Mallery - you have to control all three allied capitals for a full round of play AND hold one of either Washington, London, Paris, or Moscow at the end of that round.  I’ve never seen the allied victory conditions actually get achieved because the axis will always concede well before.

  • '12

    sorry meant axis capitals - Berlin, Tokyo, Rome.


  • That’s fine….Thanks for the help on that.

  • '12

    @Mallery29:

    That’s fine….Thanks for the help on that.

    you are quite welcome - good luck with mr. yogen!


  • Just to play devils advocate, Mallery forwarding those emails really doesn’t prove he wasn’t cheating. He could’ve just emailed the corresponding emails to Jenn and held back the other rolls he hypothetically rolled. Having said that, it’s not really on Mallery to prove his innocence, it’s on mryogen to prove his guilt. I don’t doubt for a minute that Mallery is in fact innocent and he wasn’t cheating. In the two games I played him and a couple other games I’ve observed, I’ve noticed that mryogen either doesn’t have a concept of the odds involved in some battles and/or he just fixates on the battles that don’t go his way and ignores the battles that do go his way. Either way, while he does have bad luck from time to time (as does every other A&A player), it’s not nearly as bad as he thinks it is.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    Why don’t we all just wait for Mryogen to reply to my request for information before we all split up and take sides and ruin everyone’s fourth of july?

    Just let me know why you think he cheated and how you think he cheated.  Otherwise, just assume he gave up coitus as a sacrifice to the dice gods and that he’s paid for his malfeasance.  That’s what I do when someone does extremely well against me with dice. :P

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